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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:48 PM
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DUDE! GAS PRICES!
$4/gallon now around here. WHAT in the HELL.

Yeah, yeah, don't complain, Europe has it worse than us, yadda yadda. But how the hell are people supposed to deal with this?

It's going to destroy our economy.

We need alternative energy NOW.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:49 PM
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1. "We need alternative energy NOW."
They'll get right on that tomorrow.
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:04 PM
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10. They already ARE!
They've got a task force studying this even as we, um, type. Okay, maybe its on recess right now, but I'm sure all the committee members are reading their memos while they fly back to their home districts.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:07 PM
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11. It's a Blue Ribbon panel of experts.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:28 PM
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18. They'll deliver their conclusions to the subcommittee really soon!
I mean, like next week!!!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:33 PM
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19. 1400 pages of testimony, charts, recommendations & conclusions.
It'll be available 3rd week in October.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:47 PM
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32. my, don't they look impressive, don't they?
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:47 PM by CatWoman


looks like they are going to dig up ANWR.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:37 PM
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41. Chimp mentioned something about alternative energy
I feel so much better now.
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:50 PM
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2. you know gays can't marry.....
and we have that going for us.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:50 PM
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3. Most cities in Europe
have excellent rail and subway systems. We don't -- the car and gas industries made sure of that.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:55 PM
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5. No our government of the last twenty years made sure of that.
Europeans pay more for gas but get National Health Care, etc. from it. We get nothing.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:00 PM
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46. "We get nothing." And like it!
:evilgrin:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:39 PM
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43. Not just the cities.
A train or a bus can take you to the smallest of villages.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:54 PM
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4. That's the point.
Bush has been trying to destroy our economy just like they did in S. America. They do it for profit. Even before he ran in the campaign he announced the stock market and economy was in trouble.

Not as much trouble as his father left us in when he was voted out of office (for S&L, Desert Storm, etc.). Is this revenge to make us suffer for not liking his father or just plain profiteering. We borrow and have huge debt while Bush gang leave with the pillage. Outrageous Congress!!

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:55 PM
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6. its $4 /gallon and what is our GOVERNMENT DOING
NOTHING
that mean Dems and Repubs

NOTHING

Congress is useless
Bush is Useless
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Longtooth Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:12 PM
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12. Your 100% right. Both parties and the govt in general are to blame.
for a short term solution we need to break the back of the CARTEL known as OPEC. That will allow for more supply on the world oil market.

For long term we need alternative fuels (NOT ethanol or bio diesel - they have their own problems). Hydrogen power seems to be very promising but a long way down the road. Of all the possible alternatives this appeals to me the most. Reason being that a conversion to hydrogen power would not only work but cause the least disruption to the current industries.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:43 PM
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20. "Both parties" are to blame.... Are You HIGH?
If so, share....

If not then you are watching too much FAUX news.

Please explain exactly HOW the Dem's have the power to reduce gas prices - or shift to a Hydrogen economy...... I need to know HOW they can do that.
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Longtooth Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:31 PM
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28. It's just a historical fact. Anyone that taks an objective look will
come to that conclusion.
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:39 PM
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29. What are we to do?
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:40 PM by TwixVoy
Look at all the fools fighting in the primary board. "I'm not a democrat anymore if Obama wins!" "Clinton never dodged bullets!" Idiots. We are our own worst enemy.

The problem is too many democrats - the ones who are no longer democrats the moment things don't go their way - destroy any efforts at progress that are made. Unless they get everything 100% their way they take their ball home. It's pathetic. They have NO idea that another 4 years of republican policy may very literally destroy this country. Either that or they are too shallow to care.

Can you imagine how many democratic congresspeople get letters from these people? "If you don't do this EXACTLY the way I want I will never vote democratic again!!!!!!" No wonder they have trouble getting things done.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:58 PM
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7. GOVERNMENT CANT DO SHIT ABOUT GAS PRICES! Its a free market thing...
Ugh man.. you people think they can just wave a magic wand and it goes away? China and India are buying up so much the demand is through the roof.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:59 PM
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8. They can stop fucking up in their foreign policy is what they can do.
And they can start pushing for an ALTERNATIVE form of energy.

Yes, there are things that can be done.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:26 PM
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37. Yes and that will change prices anytime within the next 3 f'ing years? Its free market...
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:19 PM
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14. Hello they CAN do something we have RESERVES
plus they can start implementing some incentives to go to fuel economy

take the oil companies money and start getting these railroads to put transporter people cars
I have a railroad run right through my subdivision

freakin USE IT

Do SOMETHING!!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:27 PM
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17. How about a massive tax on those record profits for oil companies. nt
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:29 PM
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39. Sounds like socialism to me... company makes a lot of money.. TAKE IT AWAY NOW!
I dont care if a company made 100 Trillion... its their fucking money.. who are we to just take it away? I dont care who it is... oil companies or a hospital..

You want us to create new jobs, new companies.. BUT! if you make to much..... we take it... yea that will work...
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:47 PM
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45. It always has worked in the past.
The highest industrial production levels in this country during the 20th century came under the highest corporate tax rates.
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:44 PM
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30. Are you daft?
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:44 PM by TwixVoy
Or do you REALLY believe the solution is that simple? Use the reserves problem solved! Wow that was easy.

Are you aware "the reserves" - if the ENTIRE country were to be pulling from it at once - would only last us ONE DAY?

So after day one then what? PLUS we no longer have any reserves after that one day. Wow we sure stand in a much better position after that.

The reserves are for an EMERGENCY. I am talking "Oh shit WW3 has started and we no longer have ANY oil imports at all". Not to use as some kind of artificial price control.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:27 PM
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38. It would last a month.. then what? goes back... you make it sound like it lasts forever...
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:56 PM
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34. We could have an energy policy that focused on weaning ourselves off the stuff
But of course that isn't coming under the current admin.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:26 PM
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36. It's largely a government-caused problem.
Who would have thought that a systematic, conscious policy of weakening the dollar might have had a downside.

Oil is expensive largely for the same reason gold is; because dollars are cheap.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:45 PM
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44. Well, we could have invested in public transportation 30 years ago
along with alternate forms of energy.

Instead we let industries drive our energy and public works issues, and they killed every possible attempt at making the US more responsible than the car-worshipping nation we are now. Darn that old free market.

We could also dispense with the masturbatory laissez-faire idiocy before things get fucked up even worse, but then masturbatory idiots like you will scream bloody murder because you won't be able to keep fucking things up.
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:21 AM
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47. Seems like it can sure stop filling the Strategic Oil Reserve...
Filling it with expensive oil doesn't make much sense especially when it is only driving prices higher for all of us.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:01 PM
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9. Europe vs. US = apples vs. oranges
The economic strengths are different and so are the incomes, not to mention what taxes do/don't pay for. IOW, no one should be sidetracked by anyone who says, "Just be glad you don't live in Europe, they pay X amount for gasoline." That comparison is about as meaningful as the line the CM regularly trotted out a couple of years ago: "But a gallon of gas still costs less than a gallon of milk."
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:01 AM
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22. THANK YOU
I get tired of that ridiculous comparison too - like I tell the Brits I know - FIVE ENGLANDS CAN FIT INTO TEXAS - AND I CAN'T TAKE A BUS TO JUST ANYWHERE IN TEXAS. :o
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:22 AM
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25. To be honest, I use that line myself for the shock value
But I do go on to point out the differences between our countries.

The UK has got its own problems at the moment. It's become an overbearing nanny state that is nickel and dime'ing (or the pence equivalent) its middle class to death with the most ludicrous charges and fines you've ever heard of. They recently prosecuted and fined someone for overstuffing their garbage bin. (The lid was raised four inches with the contents.) The guy has four kids and the local council only collects rubbish once every two weeks. How the Brits put up with it I don't know, but I see that kind of nit-picking insanity coming here; it's all about collecting revenue to cover budget shortfalls.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:30 AM
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26. I hear you
I spent many years in England and what shocked me most on my last visit was how much it was starting to look like AMERICA - with Texaco and McDonalds - very disconcerting :(
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:14 PM
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13. DUDE! CAR PRICES!
even if they started selling alternative energy cars tomorrow- as far as the economics of it is concerned, it would be cheaper(at least in the short-to-medium run) for most people to buy a used car and pay higher gas prices, than to buy a new alternative energy vehicle. the price difference in most realistic cases would pay for a LOT of gas at any price.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:22 PM
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15. Along time agon when prices went up and lines at the pump
US instituted the carpool incentive program they literally paid for a van if you drove coworkers to work
My father was part of it

and it was awesome
He had a van full 8 people
they just used it for work
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:22 PM
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16. $3.56 a gallon in Lexington Ky, up from $3.43 on the 20th.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 11:57 PM
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21. Didn't Shrub in his 2000 campaign
tell us if he was elected that he would tell to oil producers to open the spigots and lower the price because gas was too high. ($1.29) where I was in 2000.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:21 PM
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35. Yes he did, and with some panache too..
He said that he'd "get on the phone and jawbone OPEC" to get the prices down, as Clinton had let them skyrocket. Jawbone.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:05 AM
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23. I recall someone on here saying...
"If the 2000 election hadn't been stolen, we'd be paying $2 a gallon and bitching about it."
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:10 AM
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24. That means I will have to fill the tank up more often...
so that I don't go over the $50 limit on my Visa.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:59 AM
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27. i keep looking at these people driving these tank like vehicles
and hummers

and i look at them--trying to guess if they are republikas or not.

if i decide they are R i think to myself: "suffa..."

i figure they helped to get us where we are today.

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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:45 PM
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31. Saw Palestinians converting their cars to PROP ANE. The tanks you use on your BBQ!
They said it cost about $500 to convert. They had the tanks in their trunks, and happily drove away! Saw this on Link TV MhzWorldview, Deutschwelle or one of those channels that shows international news.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:49 PM
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33. change happens even though it feels wierd
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:35 PM
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40. $3 trillion for Iraq War would have bought 142,857,143 Priuses
@ $21,000 per car.

Less oil and CO2.

Seems to me a better use of taxpayers' monies...
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:38 PM
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42. amen
And this is nothing new. Lots of people saw this before they started their Damn war.
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