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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:36 PM
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How much do firefighters and teachers make?
Rightwing pundit Larry Kudlow has said the following: "In fact, in America's largest cities, a firefighter married to a school teacher can earn close to $200,000 filing jointly. So not only will each spouse separately pay more for Social Security and health care under Obama's plan, together they'll also be slammed by Obama's cap-gains tax increase."

Is that true?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:38 PM
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1. That Salary is not unreasonable around here.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:44 PM
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5. around where?
How much is the teacher making where you are?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:57 PM
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10. Michigan
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 03:58 PM by BeatleBoot
Suburban Detroit firefighters can make that with banked sick time etc. Plus they only work 8 days a month (24 hours per day mind you), so a lot of them have side jobs/businesses (roofers etc).

I know a school teacher about 5 years from retirement and bringing in pretty close to six fig's.

I'm sure its tougher if you're younger.

But I wouldn't be surprised at that salary.



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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:14 PM
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13. I'm going to guess that your teacher friend is in administration.
Right?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:24 PM
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26. Nope.
But like I said: close to 6 fig's and ready to retire.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:27 PM
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14. Teachers in VA start out typically making less than $30,000
AFter 10 years experience, less than $40,000.

The average is less than 10 years experience I would guess.

The salary schedule doesn't bring you $100000 as a teacher....maybe as an administrator.

Hillary's comment about teacher and fire fighter is just another version where she talked about the FISA cap hurting the "middle class"....she has a distorted idea of what middle class is.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:28 PM
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18. I don't know any teachers (not administrators but teachers) making more than 50k
There might be a few above that, but not many, and not far above that.

I am skeptical about the firefighter thing too but less skeptical than the teacher claim.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:34 PM
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27. Firefighters are retiring in the Suburbs with $100K + Pensions
Are you kidding me?

And as far as the teachers go, the one's I know supplement their income by coaching a sport or work over the summer.

A Firefighter married to a teacher can make out like bandits.

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:39 PM
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2. firemen here get 36K to start and that's progressive for a medium sized town
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:39 PM
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3. They don't make that here.
In Mississippi, which is on the low end of the pay scale for both occupations, firefighters start out at about $22,000. Teachers start out at about $25,000 to $30,000.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:40 PM
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4. In some parts of the east coast teachers can do pretty well
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 03:41 PM by dmordue
but not throughout the country or in large cities except for those in a few states. Overtime for firefighters might increase the salary if enough overtime. However, the numbers seem way off in general.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:44 PM
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6. Maybe I'm completely off on Obama's FICA plan....anybody know where to link to it?
If it's anything like I thought it was, this is a gross mischaracterization.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:48 PM
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8. It's a gross micharacterization of FICA
Hillary's been telling the same story. If you had two people making $90,000 a year, one of them doesn't go FICA free just because they're jointly over the $97,000 mark. At least not that I ever heard of. FICA is taxed on the individual. And any couple making $180,000 a year are in the top 5%, so what the fuck are we worried about them at the expense of the other 95% anyway.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:46 PM
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7. FICA isn't a joint tax
I don't know how they are getting away with this lie. Hillary tells it too. I also have absolutely no idea how he figures Obama's health care plan will hurt them either, his goal is to reduce costs with more regulation, kind of like they do in the rest of the world.

Just lie lie lie. And, no, the only way a teacher or firefighter would make that kind of money if they were high up in administration and that's only a handful of people. I don't know why they're trying to protect the top 10%, I really don't.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:50 PM
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9. Here are some links to info.
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:59 PM
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11. More Than Me! n/t
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limit18 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:59 PM
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12. Texas firefighters
After 12 months $48,968/year
After two years $53,000/year
After three years $58,000/year

Teachers make around $48,000.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:22 PM
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15. Teachers where I live make around $30,000-35,000 /yr to start
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:24 PM
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16. I am a teacher 10 years with a Masters...I almost make 50 thousand
before taxes, insurance ect............
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:24 PM
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17. Not enough, no matter where.
$200,000 between a pair sounds reasonable, but should be more where the cost of living is higher.

If we pay CEOs and the like millions each year, we should damn sure pay those that teach our kids and protect/save our lives and property a hell of a lot more than we do.

Sorry, rant over.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:28 PM
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19. There are plenty of HS teachers in our district that make six figures
They have generally been there for over ten years, and most of the highest paid take on other responsibilities outside of the classroom such as coaching.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:32 PM
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20. My mom coached and only made an extra few thousand dollars for that
and she put in a LOT of hours for that few thousand dollars. They aren't making much more for coaching.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:35 PM
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21. Well they are in my Suburban Chicago school district.
And I agree with you that they earn it.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:44 PM
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22. what district?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:46 PM
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23. District 211 in Illinois.
nt
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:58 PM
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25. goddamn. avg teacher salary
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 06:00 PM by ulysses
at one of your schools is $85k? http://www.d211.org/pdf/reportcards/shs_report_card.pdf

Fuck a lot of me. What's the cost of living like, though?

edit: ok, 85. Still.
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RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:58 PM
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Not even close where I live
The highest paid teachers top out about $54k/year, with the average teacher making about $34K. The only person making above $100K is the Superintendent.
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RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 05:58 PM
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24. Not even close where I live
The highest paid teachers top out about $54k/year, with the average teacher making about $34K. The only person making above $100K is the Superintendent.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:58 PM
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28. My FIL
a cop, makes a little over $110,000 a year with his overtime. My MIL, a payroll secretary at a public high school, makes about $45,000 after 38 years in the system.

So, yeah... as a teacher, she'd make a bit more. A little more overtime, it wouldn't be too far off. (They both live and work in New York City.)


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