Calling your wife a c*nt in public is not "a spat". It's not "nasty". It's abuse.

[jgraz]

And you know if he does that in public, he's far worse behind closed doors.

Congratulations, Rethugs. You're about to nominate an abusive husband for president.

[NightWatcher]

1. so a crazy old abusive warmonger with a severe anger problem, I cant wait for the General Election

[Serenades]

2. astonished

Seriously, calling someone that word is horrible -- a deal breaker. If I used that word on my girlfriend my family would kick my arse then her family would kick my arse then my boss would kick my arse. The relationship would be over. I don't think I've ever called anyone that in my life.

[TwilightGardener]

3. It's awful. It's bad enough in private, but we all say things behind closed doors

that we're not proud of, I'm sure--especially during nasty dish-throwing door-slamming fights. But to say this in the presence of others, during a campaign--he was obviously trying to belittle her in the worst way. Either that, or he has absolutely no impulse control at all.

[pnwmom]

29. I've been married for decades and neither of us has ever

called each other a name during an argument. (We have had angry and loud arguments -- but no name calling.)

I can't imagine the loathing that would have to be there for a man to call his wife a c--t.

[jgraz]

38. Using that word is not about hating *a* woman. It's about hatred toward women in general.

[pnwmom]

41. I completely agree with you about that.

I was an ear-witness to a young man I know who used that word against a woman I strongly dislike. I told him that it was an insult to all women to use that word -- even about a woman like her. He (and his nasty father) looked at me like I'd sprouted a second head.

[katty]

85. yes, agree - it sure is

[JDPriestly]

76. McCain does not love his wife. No man who loves his wife

would ever, ever call her that word.

[JDPriestly]

75. McCain has the self control of a two year old.

[smoogatz]

4. Ferchrissakes, jgraz—

what makes you think Republicans would have a problem with that? If they don't object to McCain cuddling up to Bush and the war, why on earth would they care what he calls his wife?

[jgraz]

21. I don't care about the hard-core Repugs

If McSame only gets their votes, he loses 81%-19%. What I can't believe is so-called feminists who are going to sit out or vote for this pig if their candidate isn't handed the nomination on a silver platter.

[smoogatz]

22. I wonder how many of them there really are,

outside of the paid Hilla-shills on DU.

[niyad]

40. please provide reliable proof that people who support hillary on DU are "paid shills"

thank you so much.

[smoogatz]

46. Please go adjust your shorts.

They appear to be knotted around your gonads.

[jgraz]

48. .

:spray:

[niyad]

52. figures that that is the kind of reply to asking for information, which I take to mean that you

cannot back up your statement.

and, by the way, assumptions are a dangerous thing.

[smoogatz]

66. Still knotted, evidently.

My sympathies.

[Ellen Forradalom]

78. Not answering the question.

[Ellen Forradalom]

77. Who are these people you refer to?

[pnwmom]

30. I don't think some of the fundie women would be impressed with that story.

They're suspicious enough of his religious credentials. This kind of thing could keep them home -- which is what we need.

[smoogatz]

34. They secretly want to vote for Obama, anyway.

But are afraid their husbands will find out.

[endarkenment]

42. Elections are fought in the middle.

The point is to divorce (pun intended) McCain from every independent-voting woman in america.

[panader0]

5. what did I miss ?

[pnwmom]

32. See post #11, below.

[Gato Moteado]

6. did he really do that?

is there a link?

[Fleshdancer]

11. here you go:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

[Occulus]

26. .

:wow:

[Gato Moteado]

27. that's way over the top.......

and it's rawstory.com which i wouldn't call a credible source.

were it true, it would be a campaign killer for the old man, but i highly doubt the story is true. he's crabby, but i doubt he'd say something like that to his wife. and if he did, she's even dumber than he is for staying with him.

[ljm2002]

33. Not a credible source?

You say, "and it's rawstory.com which i wouldn't call a credible source."

Based on what? The story cites three, count 'em three reporters who witnessed the incident. So unless you think the writer is making it up out of whole cloth, I don't really see why you are trying to discredit them here.

[Gato Moteado]

37. name the three sources!

nt

[endarkenment]

45. This is the sort of deep concern on our side that I find truly puzzling.

The story is sourced. Let McCain deny it. When exactly did he stop calling his wife a cunt in public?

[Gato Moteado]

50. well, no names are given for the sources in the article...can you name the sources?

i didn't read the book so i don't know if the sources are named there or not, but apparently you are aware of these three sources and know their names. please share them with us. i think that if three credible sources heard mccain say that, it would have come out long ago.

another thing about the article that was strange to me was this line:
'I uncovered a lot of stuff I can't put in the book,' author says

if he uncovered stuff, why can't he put it in the book?

this story smells like disinfo to me. they mix the c*nt story in with the true stories of mccain flying off the handle and then after they disprove the c*nt story and show how ridiculous it is, they mix all the true stories into the same bundle with it and make it look like all stories about mccain are made up and ridiculous. THAT'S where the deep concern comes from that puzzles you. this is the kind of shit rove used to do all the time in order to discredit criticism and critics of chimpy.

[Crabby Appleton]

84. I agree nt

[treestar]

65. And that is exactly how the MSM would spin it if it were the Dem candidate

Democrats are so polite and refined and civilized. Actually worry about whether there is any truth in that story and not willing to use it without proof? The repukes would just laugh and insist it was true, even if their only source was freerepublic.

[niyad]

43. the story is in the new book on mcinsane.

[bumblebee1]

80. Too bad cindy's remark wasn't

"call me a c**t all you want. I control the money, pal. I can cut you off anytime,"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. With my wife, it's downright life-threatening. Public or not.

She would've flattened the little twirp.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

8. McKeating-5 is disgusting and not fit to be president

[Yavin4]

9. What I Miss?

What happened? Fill me in

:shrug:

[Fleshdancer]

10. what really struck me is that he just kept going and going with the insults

I almost think it would be better to called a single vicious word and have it left at that rather than a whole explosion over makeup, looks, and then the horrible name calling. If that's his form of "restraint" while in public, then I can't imagine how toxic he is in private.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

12. Talkin' 'bout

Bush or McCain?

They both have done it.

Bush did it in front of the press and McCain... well u know that story.

[Flying Dream Blues]

16. Not that I doubt you, but I don't remember a similar Bush incident..

care to share more?
:hi:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

53. I read it back when it happened

It is talked about on this blog:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message358487/pg1

[ismnotwasm]

13. True

You would think a public figure would be able to control himself when in the public eye. The fact that he evidently can't is disturbing.

I was sitting on a bench downtown a while back--it's a popular spot for homeless, alcoholics and down and out street folks. I heard a Latina woman loudly bewailing that her partner who called her "A puta in front of everybody, man, you have no respect for me" Her partner was sufficiently ashamed after she took him to task, and apologized profusely. I thought "good for her"

And here we have a man at the far other end of the socio-economic scale, who lacks the same insight.

[backscatter712]

14. Big red flag for McCain.

He's setting off my psychopath alarm.

Keep him away from the Oval Office at all costs! We can't afford to have another psychopath in power!

[elleng]

15. Its up to her to call it abuse;

its enough for me that he said such words. Nasty is correct, and highly disrespectful.

Would never vote for such.

[niyad]

17. have never been able to stand him. this is simply one more reason.

the fact that this happened so many years ago shows that he has been slipping for a much longer time than I previously thought. this man has NO business near the button.

if my SO used that word in any context other than its original one (which was a title of the goddess) that would be the end of the relationship.

[Booster]

18. I remember during McCain's campaign against Bush,

Maria Shriver asked McCain a question and he stopped, glared at her and said "why don't you just get out of here". The man's got a definite problem.

[Fleshdancer]

20. wow, really?

I was living out of the country during the 2000 primary so I didn't get to witness much of McCain's behavior on the campaign trail. Reading about his outbursts creeps me out.

[Booster]

54. Yeah, and Maria was a reporter at the time and was just doing her

job. McCain actually snarled at her - like that picture of him going around where he looks like Popeye. I remember Cindy was right behind him (where else) and had absolutely no reaction at all, which I thought was odd. As a matter of fact, I think Cindy is just plain odd.

[JDPriestly]

79. She is completely numb. Typical of a battered wife.

His behavior which is outrageous to us seems perfectly normal to her. She just takes it. She thinks that's just the way he is and she can't do anything about it. That is how battered women who have put up with being battered for a long time think.

[LeftinOH]

19. Maybe they've got a 'George and Martha' kind of relationship:

[goclark]

23. Now that is something that Women should jump on!

There should be no woman in America that would cast a vote for this scum bag.

This is a clear womens issue ~ clear

[goclark]

24. and don't forget the little lobbyist that got swept under the rug.

What happened to her?

[Fleshdancer]

25. That story disappeared quick, didn't it?

It would be interesting to find out where she is at this point.

[goclark]

36. Wonder how long it would last for us Democrats

?

[pnwmom]

28. Right you are, jgraz. K & R.

[Perry Logan]

31. It's c*ntgate.

[endarkenment]

47. isn't that a chastity belt?

[Cleita]

35. I'm sure many of them approve of John

"keeping the woman in her place".

Maybe the reason she plasters her face with make-up is to cover the bruises.

[Ian David]

39. After 8 years Bush getting beaten-up by his wife, aren't we ready for a change?

No, I am not seriously suggesting that we need a wife-abuser to balance-out the abused husband.

[arikara]

44. With chimpy its more likely

that he fell on his own head during a bender.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

57. Chimpy has a problem with vicious furniture attacking him.

The carpet comes up and attacks him. He chews on carpet. Bet the taste of that synthetic fiber is pretty bad, not to mention the flavorful dust rhinos.

The corner of the coffee table stands up and swings at him.

Why does Chimpy has such hostile furniture?

[stubtoe]

60. ...

:rofl:

[ekwhite]

73. Naah - Cheney probably did that one

George must of started thinking HE was the president.

[tavalon]

74. Darn it!

Beat me to it.

[Firespirit]

49. I agree. There is ONE circumstance where that word can be acceptable,

and that's when it is used according to its real definition, and the couple have a thing for dirty talk at... erm... moments. :blush:

Otherwise, it's hateful, misogynistic, demeaning, and abusive.

[jgraz]

51. I have no problem with vulgar language

It's using it to refer to a *woman* rather than a body part that's beyond the pale.

[MedleyMisty]

55. Conservatism is abuse

From all that I've read in trying to understand the neocon mindset, abuse is what they know and how they live. They were abused as kids and they grow up and continue the cycle and abuse others, and the ones who get into power get to abuse millions.

Go and take a look at websites about spousal abuse. You'll see the American public fits the victim role and pathologies quite well and a lot of the characteristics of abusive spouses will fit your general Republican. I see the pattern over and over, to the point where I think that we could do a lot to help the human species if we had free mandatory parenting classes and gave everyone the tools to raise kids without abusing them.

Most people are abused as kids. Some of them get over it and become a stronger better person (I like to think I fit into that category). Some aren't affected at all. Some grow up twisted and become abusers themselves.

Seriously, I don't understand why everyone makes fun of the concept of a "bad childhood." Your experiences as a child determine who you become as an adult. For instance, one night I looked up the life stories of quite a few serial killers. Almost all of them had drunken abusive fathers who constantly insulted their manhood and quite a few had religious fundamentalist mothers who totally messed up their perception of women and sex. Some had pictures that they'd drawn, and it was clear from the style and subject choice that they'd been developmentally arrested by trauma, usually sexual, at some point in childhood. Not sure if it was physical, but I'd defintely call teaching a kid fundie sexual values mental and emotional sexual abuse.

So yeah - it makes perfect sense for Republicans to nominate an abusive husband. Like someone who grew up with an abusive father who then keeps choosing abusive mates - it's what they know and what they're comfortable with.

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[Manifestor_of_Light]

58. Authoritarian verbal abuse. Typical Repukes.

Abusive as hell.

All that money isn't going to give Cindy any peace of mind.

McCain has NO RESPECT for his wife if he calls her demeaning names. That's the kind of word you might call someone who cuts you off in traffic, that you don't know, NOT a person you are intimately involved with. Name-calling means there is NO respect there.

Republicans are authoritarian woman haters anyway, and most of them are repressed homosexuals.

[Geek_Girl]

59. I agree

I divorced someone who was abusive, physically and mentally. He continuously called me horrible names in public and private. Although he never called me that. I have no doubt that's he's an abusive asshole.

[JerseygirlCT]

61. I just hope his true self is made apparent before we are

stuck with him.

[Blackhatjack]

62. I cannot think of any justifiable reason to call your wife that in public or private...

Certain words once used cannot be recalled and have a life of their own. IF those words be particularly hurtful or damaging, no amount of apologizing will dull them.

When we speak, we choose among a vast array of available tools to express ourself, and those choices we make open a window into our soul through which all the world may peak unobstructed.

McCain's use of this word --particularly in reference to his wife, tells us more about him than about his wife.

[jgraz]

64. Agreed. But *in public*, *in front of strangers* makes it much much worse.

[dysfunctional press]

63. but what if she REALLY is being one...?

:shrug:

i can't just slap her in a public place without explaining WHY.
people might get the wrong idea...

[SidDithers]

67. He should have called her a "fucking whore" instead...

he'd have people on DU applauding him.

Sid

[mondo joe]

68. ...

:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

69. If he did it, it's pretty fucking despicable. It lacks good sourcing, however....

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/trollop_revisited.php

[mondo joe]

70. I don't give a shit what goes on between spouses provided they are both there by choice.

That said, I have no problem with any exploitation of this politically.

[struggle4progress]

71. McCrazy

:crazy:

[johnfunk]

72. Your post made American Politics Journal

Here. They're telling progressives to kick it up a notch.

[jgraz]

83. Wow, cool!

:bounce:

[JCMach1]

81. I don't exactly agree with the OP- We don't know the relationship details

Did they regularly abuse each other verbally?

There are always reasons that people get divorced.



This IS NOT the reason I won't be voting for McCain...

[JDPriestly]

82. It's irreconciliable differences -- grounds for divorce in California.

How do you say you are sorry for saying something like that to your wife? How do you forgive a man who shows so little respect and consideration for you as a wife? They must have a terrible relationship.