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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:43 PM
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I found the polygamy video - it's a trailer for "Banking on Heaven"
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 08:54 PM by Cerridwen
Watch this. Then I dare you to defend these "people" and worry about government intervention. As one of the women says "I'm afraid of another Jonestown"


http://www.youtube.com/v/gI6pBftroEc&hl=en

edit to change the title for more traffic
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:50 PM
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1. And a kick to get it seen n/t
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:10 PM
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2. Kicking it back to the top n/t
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:11 PM
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3. Very powerful!
And like it says, the same as the Taliban. Thank you for posting this.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:22 PM
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9. You're welcome. Thank you for the kick. n/t
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:15 PM
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4. I'll K&R.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 09:17 PM by junofeb
I read the book that was out recently about them (sorry, brainfart, I can't remember the title, I saw it on another thread...)and it was pretty shocking. This is not a defensible group. their 'religion' is far to the pale of mainstream Mormonism. What is going to bring them down is not polygamy, that's done in secret by several groups, but the systematic sexual exploitation of minor girls.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:26 PM
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13. "Under the Banner of Heaven" is the book I think you're not quite
remembering. :D

Polygamy doesn't bother me, but what these people do can hardly be classed as polygamy. As you said, sexual exploitation, I'd go so far as to say sexual slavery would be more valid terms for what they practice.

I wish the media would get its mind out of the gutter and focus on what's important rather than the polygamy angle.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:48 PM
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35. I think that may be why the situation has been largely ignored by
national press. They see it only as men with several wives (heh, heh, heh, cue the "henpecked" joke for Mr. Leno) and didn't even begin to consider the age of the females and what is done to the teenaged boys.

It's ripe for national media--a "strange" social practice, a cultish distortion of a major religion, child abuse and abandonment, rampant local corruption of the media, law enforcement, and government, HUGE, systematic welfare fraud, weapons stockpiling, etc.

But like some DUers, all they see is the polygamy and they really don't even bother to try to understand the depth of the problem,

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:05 PM
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38. Oh yeah.
I just had a very brief discussion with a DUer about what she perceived as polygamy. Oh yeah. The media will have a field day distorting this into some XXX-rated wet dreams for a bunch of sick F(*&ks.

Trying to get the focus OFF polygamy and onto what is really happening is really enlightening and frustrating.



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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:08 PM
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39. Yeah, I happened to see that.
I've had a few spells with her before when she actually defended blatant racism.

A real piece of work is that one.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:15 PM
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40. Yeah, I've watched her posts before.
I have no idea why I thought I could open her eyes.

Silly me. Tilting at windmills; me being a girl and all.

:D

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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:17 PM
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5. Gods
These people are just sick...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:17 PM
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6. i will help kick it but cannot watch. too much war on female anymore. n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:20 PM
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7. The women get the worst of it, but the teenage boys are also victims.
There can only be so many men. The extra boys get thrown out on the streets.

It's a heartbreaking video, and it also made me really mad.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:23 PM
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10. It is heartbreaking and you're right about the boys.
"Lost Boys" is the name of a video, movie or book about what the boys go through.

These people are sick!

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:23 PM
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11. and our children. ....
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:21 PM
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8. I understand. Thank you.
I didn't make it all the way through this time. I just couldn't.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:24 PM
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12. i will end up having to watch it. i always do. so i can know. regardless
just not tonight.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:27 PM
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14. Have a box of tissues, a bucket (you'll understand) and something to punch.
But, not tonight.

:we need a wry smile smiley:

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:30 PM
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15. It's so sad you will probably cry.
I don't even cry over the Darfur stories. I think the fact that this is right here in the USA makes it even more horrendous.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:38 PM
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16. Fifth recommend. Everyone should watch this.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:40 PM
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17. Thank you, Diane R.
I hope everyone does.

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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:42 PM
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18. Very interesting.
Thank you for posting.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:50 PM
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19. You're welcome.
Thank you for kicking it.

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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:52 PM
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20. I'm watching other videos on that site
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:07 PM
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25. The link you provided took me to the same video.
Did you have another over there we should see?

:hi:

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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:31 PM
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31. sorry!
Yes. Let me figure out what I did wrong ... I'm still watching the second one, it's long.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:38 PM
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32. No problem. I just wanted you to know so we can share the other video, too.
I'm selfish that way. :D

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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:39 PM
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33. at the end of your video
You'll see a bar of pictures at the bottom of the screen. There are more videos there, put your cursor over them for the titles.

I'm watching "Lifting the Veil of Polygamy" (picture of man with two brides)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:58 PM
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21. I'm in tears, absolute tears. This has gone on way too long.
As an Arizonan, I've known about this for 2o some years. The FLDS owns the media, the law enforcement, and government in northern Arizona so it's never been as exposed as it should be.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:05 PM
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23. That explains a lot - your being in AZ.
I've from Las Vegas, NV originally. For those of you who don't know, LV began as a Mormon settlement. The LDS people and church owned a lot of the LV valley until they leased it or sold it to the Mafia. I grew up with the "Mormon mafia" and "La Cosa Nostra". Yeah, I got a few stories. :D

My grandfather (on my mom's side) was LDS. That makes me about a 1/4 LDS, I guess. Most of my years growing up I had LDS friends and family around quite a bit. Annual family reunions in Utah were a strange (and fun) experience.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:11 PM
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27. My best friend as a child and still is Mormon and actually quite a progressive thinker.
I see DUers assuming that the mainstream LDS ignores or even approves of the FLDS behavior when in reality most of them are disgusted by it.

I've been to several wedding receptions and anniversary parties and always admired how content my Mormon friends seemed to be!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:15 PM
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29. I'll keep my wise ass remark to myself on this one.


:hi:

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:49 PM
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36. Not to worry--I was thinking the same thing after I worte it!
:rofl:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:00 PM
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37. .
:evilgrin:


:rofl:

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:59 PM
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22. Another chapter of The Amerikan Taliban.
Will the sheeple ever come to the realization that organized religion is the primary tool used to enslave them?
:kick: & R



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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:40 PM
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34. Politics, capitalism and the "American Dream" being other tools.
I'm just saying.

:D

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:00 AM
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44. Good question.
These women and children are trapped. Anyone who brings up "freedom of religion" in this case should ask themselves whether they think these people are truly free.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:07 PM
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24. Something big was/is brewing. Plans for the Texas compound has been known about
for almost a decade by authorities in AZ and Utah.

State law enforcement has been monitoring Colorado City very closely but have not made a move due to the political fallout from a case with even the slightest weakness. The Texas compound is reported by refugees (I think that term applies here) to have heavy stockpiles of sophisticated weaponry and as the film points out the cult has hundreds of millions of dollars.

Does anyone else have the feeling that this was about to (almost literally) explode? Jeffs was never shy about threatening violence against authorities knowing full well they wouldn't touch him without a diamond-hard case--and now he's in prison--a perfect martyr for the sick, sad old farts who exploited and hurt these women and children.

As a longtime observer of the situation, I KNOW state authorities wouldn't touch them without some rock-solid provocation. Was Jeffs' sister seeing the present?

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:10 PM
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26. Good questions.
I wish I had answers. I guess I'll just have to learn patience.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:14 PM
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28. I found the news rather disturbing knowing that the applicable
Attorneys General really, desperately, want to prosecute but don't really dare to from the possible political fallout of a weak case.

That Texas would go ahead with this means that the situation was quite desperate--and they must have solid evidence to back it up. I know all three states' AGs have been working quite closely together on this.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:20 PM
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30. Here's hoping it was more about solid evidence
and less about a desperate situation.

What those women and children go through I can only imagine - and even that makes me want to hurl.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:18 PM
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41. WOW! Thanks for posting this
I really hope this latest action in Texas marks the beginning of the end for the sick practices of this sect. Those poor women...right here in our own country. It's beyond comprehension.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:34 PM
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42. Babyland...thank you to Herdin_Cats in an LBN thread about this monstrosity
of a cult.

Most unsettling is the revelation of countless numbers of unmarked baby graves in the canyonlands attached to the FLDS polygamy cult headquartered on the Utah-Arizona border. Local residents call it "Babyland" and law enforcement's response to human rights activists questioning the graves has been that unmarked graves are not illegal. (emphasis added)



Herdin_Cats link in LBN

to this article


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:16 AM
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43. Kicking again.
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