Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos.

[chimper]

'Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out.'


http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_crime&Number=295946926&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=

[DS1]

1. this was reported what, two years ago?

I'm still waiting for it to come out

[orleans]

39. i remember this story from quite awhile back--probably at least two years

too bad one of the white house corespondents never had the courage to ask the fuckhead about this in a little rose garden photo op.

[The Stranger]

2. Oh, Nancy (to the tune of "Mandy")

Oh, Nancy,
You went and got all worried about China,
While they raped little kids and covered it up,
Oh, Nancy,
You held us back and kept us from impeaching,
And you fucked us all, oh Nancy . . .

[Kolesar]

3. I cannot think of any "Nancy" that you can pin Abu Ghraib on

That was Rumsfeld's prison

[The Stranger]

15. Then keep thinking about it.

We'll still be here.

[Kolesar]

22. "Obsessing"

[IowaGirl]

4. If they impeached now, it would mess up the election. If we bide our time until we get in the White

House again, some significant retribution is an option. But I feel your pain...

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. And the election trumps the constitution!!

:sarcasm:

Blows my mind how anyone can say holding this criminal administration accountable is not as important as a fucking election. Sheesh.

[sellitman]

6. Impeach now!

The elections will go on anyhow.

[Echo In Light]

8. Indeed

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. The Democrats just may get more votes once they impeach

Imagine that - LOL~!

[defendandprotect]

23. Neither HRC nor Obama are for impeachment . .. !!!

[sellitman]

30. And your point is?

Was that suppose to be a news flash ?

[defendandprotect]

38. My point is that it's rather astonishing . . . !!!

In fact, Obama made the comment that he did NOT see any basis for impeaching Bush --- !!!

Whaaaat ????

And . . . your point is----?????

[sellitman]

45. If neither candidate is for impeachment why bother to bring it up?

Kucinich unfortunatly isnt our choice any more. I believe Obama is the only choice we have if we are against the war. Impeacement unfortunately isnt on the table.

[defendandprotect]

53. Oh, I see . . . you're taking this as a political affront on your candidate . . . ??? !!!!

So morality and judgment end when you are in an election campaign---???

Check your brains at the door--???

Worse than holding your nose when you vote is hiding truth from yourself ---

Btw, I would vote for Nader if there were any way that would work -
I would write in Kucinich or Edwards if there were any way that would work --
but I fully expect to be voting for Obama --

while also allowing myself to understand and admit that he is not infallible --

[crikkett]

40. I voted for Kucinich, who was.

so there.

[bluesmail]

37. not neccesarilly

they may (probably) will be suspended for any number of reasons, like election/voter fraud, dissent caused by another unprovoked war, dissent over Iraq War, politicization of the DOJ, political prisoners, (Governor Don Siegelman) and there's more!

[madokie]

14. I'm with you on that

Also its the precedence being set. Everything bush/cheney should be seen by all us as vile. Things to be made right again, otherwise we don't have a democracy anymore

[Toucano]

19. Impeachment is separate from criminal prosecution.

Impeachment simply removes the person from office (and stops them doing more bad things).

Justice will come from a criminal prosecution.

You probably knew that, but just thought I'd clear up any confusion. :)

[pocoloco]

9. "I feel your pain"

Jesus Fucking Christ!!

Sometimes I think America deserves what is happening to it.

[leftchick]

24. you must be fucking kidding me!

politics over human rights and our constitution?? fuck that!

:puke:

[IowaGirl]

26. Nothing trumps human rights or the Constitution but we'll be able to do more if we have control of.....

White House. I believe retribution is coming.

[Senator]

27. Nothing is "coming" without impeachment

Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- and exoneration for the regime.

They can claim in any court (save possibly at The Hague) that if what they were doing was wrong Congress would have impeached. No prosecutor could imagine overcoming such an argument -- or be called anything but crazy for trying.

It's impeachment or nothing. And Hillabamania is just one more weapon of mass distraction.

---

[Echo In Light]

46. Too many skeletons in the closet - there'll never be accountability on the part of the U.S. govt

The 'Don't Impeach!' mantra relies on this type of empty promise ... the idea that after a dem is in the Whitehouse, something will be done.

Bull. Shit.

[Voice for Peace]

32. If we don't impeach, there may not BE an election, some say

[yardwork]

52. Nancy Pelosi was not Speaker of the House when this happened.

This happened on Dennis Hastert's watch. It happened when the Republicans had control of Congress.

[Echo In Light]

7. Yeah this was reported quite some time ago

From what I recall, translator-contractors {Blackwater?} did the raping while female soldiers filmed it.

Next, on sick, sad world...

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. And just what happened to that film???

[Echo In Light]

13. Remember the conferences/committees when Abu Ghraib scandal broke?

When some of the photos were aired on MSM? {that beheading video 'suddenly' surfaced the following week as conveniently timed PR damage control} ...well if you recall, the powers that be were quite shaken at having to defend/justify the photos, right. I suspect this rape footage was included in that initial batch of material, but obviously was sent by way of the "memory hole" as no amount of pro-war, pro-fear propaganda could spin it.

[Wizard777]

16. They have a powerful tool to supress the evidence in the court of public opinion.

It's child pornography.

[walldude]

35. I seem to remember reading about members of Congress

getting physically ill when they saw the tapes. I've been trying not to keep this in mind during election season, if for no other reason than because they all saw the tapes. All the Senators and Congress people saw the tapes, and all of them are guilty of covering it up. That's why we'll never see the true extent and no one will ever pay for it. Because they are all guilty.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. I thought the Pentagon was ordered by a judge to release these videos well over a year ago?

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. I have little doubt they were released

to the nearest available incinerator.

[Toucano]

20. I, too, am certain they are gone.

[xchrom]

18. a judge ordered this stuff to come out some time ago, didn't they?

and still nothing.

nothing.

[SpiralHawk]

21. Republicons are responsible for the lies & perversion of this needless war

Bush and Cheney -- the chickenhawk republicon leaders -- must be held accountable for what they hath wrought...

[coalition_unwilling]

25. "This needless war" - You mean the invasion\occupation of March 2003, right?

Most Americans are completely unaware that sanctions the U.S. insisted on maintaining on Iraq during the 90s are responsible for the deaths of some 1,000,000 Iraqis, including 500,000 Iraqi children. Those sanctions were maintained during the Clinton administration, during which Madeleine Albright uttered the "We think it's worth it" comment when asked whether the sanctions that had led to the deaths of so many civilians should be continued.

In other words, the genocide perpetrated on Iraq and the wider Middle East and southwest Asia (and southeast Asia for that matter) is bi-partisan in nature. A lot of Dems like Hillary have blood-stained hands.

[Juche]

36. Yes and no

The sanctions were a mistake, however the starvation and death was due to Saddam. In the Kurdish controlled north where the Kurds were in charge of distributing humanitarian aid, child mortality decreased from pre gulf war levels. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011203/cortright

[Echo In Light]

43. Madeleine Albright: "500,000 Dead Iraqi Children Was Worth It."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_QshS2EW8

[Kurovski]

28. K&R. (nt)

[indepat]

29. One manifestation of a very sick society is when people in that society know of such but

still support those who encourage/allow such as this to happen. :cry:

[Echo In Light]

44. Sick? Try terminal.

[riverdeep]

31. The real perpetrators got away scott free, again.

Just like in Vietnam, Cambodia, El Salvador. They live like kings now. Meanwhile, scapegoats resign themselves to a meager existence. Even if those scapegoats are unflattering to witness. The following is from an interview Liddy England did with a German magazine last month. She comes across as both pathetic and a perfect definition of the banality of evil. She would have done anything, ANYTHING, 'they' told her to do. Just like tens of thousands of other soldiers would. She has no regret (except when prompted), other than getting caught. She blames the media for any deaths caused by exposure of the pictures, not herself. And most chillingly, she says there are things worse than what was released, although she doesn't talk specifically about rape.

The former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, called you and your colleagues the "rotten apples" of the military. Bush claimed to be ashamed of what you did.

Well, back then I thought: How can they say that when it was happening all over Iraq. The same thing is happening in Guantanamo now and other places. We knew that our officers knew about it and our sergeants.

(snip)...I felt bad about it, ... no, I felt pissed off. If the media hadn't exposed the pictures to that extent then thousands of lives would have been saved.

Did you do any water boarding?

No, I didn't. And I didn't witness it. But that doesn't mean it wasn't done. Because a lot of the time the interrogators would take the prisoners into the showers and close the doors and we would have to put like sheets or blankets up over the windows. We could hear what was going on but we couldn't see.

You heard screams?

Yeah. Sometimes.

http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/614356.html?nv=ct_cb


Her current life involves paranoia, looking for jobs at places like Wal-Mart and Staples, and taking care of a son fathered by a fellow torturer (and adulterer, he cheated on Liddy with her good friend).

[Octafish]

33. Bush is a war criminal guilty of torturing children.

I'd call him sick, but that's too kind.

[Rex]

34. I 2nd that.

[Virginia Dare]

41. The American Caligula..

"Little Boots".

[Diclotican]

47. Virginia Dare

Virginia Dare

Mr Bush are indeed one of the worst President US have had since it birth in 1776. But to claim that he is the american Caligula is maybe little unfair to Caligula's memory.. The Emperor Caligula, for all his bad habit, was in fact, when he was sane, a pretty good administrator, and was very hard om corruption in the empire. Under Caligula, the roman pro-consuls who ruled the provinces was very good at made every effort, to get the taxes right.. If they don't, they get the wrath of Emperor Caligula on their head.. And it could end bloody.. And he was doing some pretty impressive thing with the roman laws too... Not that he was as good as some other roman emperors, but he was a strong advocate for LAW and ORDER in the empire..

But on the worst, then Mr Bush may have some resembles with Caligula.. Both was mad, and believed to stand over the law. And in Caligula's instance, it ended in murder... Hopefully our own "Caligula" would not just be killed by his Praetorian Gard, but arrested, tried and then convicted as given by the US law.. Even that I suspect that mr Bush would not be a easy fish to fry, even that the evidence against his 8 year in office are beginning to be staggering high..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[Virginia Dare]

50. Hi Diclotican!

I believe it was the late great liberal columnist Molly Ivins who coined the term "Little Boots" (rough translation for Caligula) for George Bush. He's the closest we will ever have I hope.

Thanks for the interesting information, I love Roman history!

:hi:

[Diclotican]

51. Virginia Dare

Virginia Dare

It may be that, the late Molly Ivins who coined the term little boots. As a rough translating for caligula. And mr Bush have in many preset been showing to as bad as Emperor Caligula must have been, 2000 year ago... Even that he may not are playing with the flies, and love to rip their flyers off, as it is reported by ancient sources that the late emperor Caligula was very good at doing...

I hope, really hope that mr Bush in 8 months time is out of office, once and for all. And that the next president, however that may be, would work WITH USs friends, to rebuild what is destroyed. I pray every night that peace, and then prosperity would start, the week, the months, the years after this *********** Presidency is over..

I do love Roman history to. It is intersting to se how the Roman empire, for all its fault, and for all its wrongdoing, even today have it imitators. And it is interesting to se how Europe are shaped by he legacy of the West-Roman Empire. Even in 1806, when the last emperor of the Charlemagne Empire was abdicated, by force by Napoleon, the last emperor was in theory the head of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.. The last emperor of that empire was then given the task of being the Emperor of Austria, who's empire ended in 1918, when the Austrian-Hungarian empire broke up, and many of the eastern european nations was born... But the idea of a Roman Empire, was living well in EUROPE long after the Western Empire was stone dead. Even the great barbarian kings, revered the idea of a Empire in the West. And in many cases was given their crown, by the Emperor in East, where the Western Roman Empire survived for more than 1000 year..

Today, The idea of a Empire in Europe are goon. But the legacy of the empire in the west, are still living, and well understood if you look deep into the root of law in the most of the Central and south european nations.. Even in the north, aka the area who was given the name "germania" by the romans. The modern Germany, and most of the North european nations, the roman law, was established as ground for our law system.. Even that our idea of law is much inspired by "german law" and so forth... The light of the Roman Empire much have been bright, when you to my grandparents school days, could be given lessons in the classical teaching and the latin language... :dunce:

:pals:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

ps, the name Diclotican, are indeed named after the roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruled the Roman Empire in the 300s. He was a mean man, but have some inter sting figures.. He abdicated, frilly, and lived more than 20 year as a "civilian" after he was given away the robe of purple.. The City of Split, was indeed hes fortified "retirement" home. He was a excellent gardener if history was given he some credit. And the flower he was made, was given to both the Western Empires court and the new Western Empires cort.. The young Constantine the Great, was given the emperors tittle, by him.... He was also, a good gardner, who's fruit and vegetables was well known in both corts... And he was NOT excactly afraid of getting his hand durty, in any sense of the word durty And you probely know how Constantine The Great was?

[Boxerfan]

42. And tell me Chucklenuts didn't have a live feed....

Pleasuring himself to thier screams...
I'm not freaking kidding I'm afraid. Look at the evil bastard. Can't speak a sentance but when the talk turns to war or killin!!. He becomes harshly articulate & jagged in his pose. He OBVIOUSLY enjoys this stuff...

[hvn_nbr_2]

48. Media can't report it. Not newsworthy. There's a missing blond girl. nt

[G_j]

49. our "leaders" who have seen these, know about them

have knowingly covered up for war crimes,
this makes them war criminals also

[Bonobo]

54. This has been ignored by the U.S. Media for years already. We know.

It is disgusting that it is not covered here.

But I guess the Reverend Wright controversy is more important than making parents sodomize their own children (That is also part of what we did folks, yup.)