Attention old people....

[autorank]

At least old enough to remember

-- the Reagan victory and
-- the rumors that George HW Bush had gone to Paris to negotiate a trade including arms for a delayed
release date for the US hostages, a date after the voting in November 1980.

Dr. Hamilton and Mr. Hyde
By Jerry Meldon
03/27/2008

Damned if Consortium.News didn't just run a story on this. It was apparently more than a set of
rumors. This entire article is worth reading. It's about Lee Hamilton but the facts discussed
are about the furious efforts of Bush I to squelch an investigation on the Paris trip conducted by
Hamilton and Henry Hyde

"They have sought to block, limit, restrict and discredit the investigation in every possible way … President Bush’s recent outbursts his whereabouts in mid-October of 1980 are disingenuous at best since the administration has refused to make available the documents and the witnesses that could finally and conclusively clear Mr. Bush.”

Journalist Parry adds: “The Bush administration flatly refused to give any more information to the House task force unless it agreed never to interview alibi witness and never to release name. Amazingly, the task force accepted the administration’s terms.”

Hamilton’s treatment of Mr. Bush was outrageously deferential. But it was pit-bull-like compared to how he handled the attempts to provide the late Mr. Casey with an alibi.

The Republicans first insisted that Casey could not have flown to meet with the Iranians when it was alleged that he did, because on that particular weekend he had attended a historical conference in London.

But that alibi had to be ditched when historian and conference attendee Robert Dallek reported that Casey had missed a strategically timed morning session.

[gateley]

1. Damn. I can't believe I clicked on a thread with that subject line. Damn. nt

[autorank]

6. Old, you know, like over 30;) n/t

[AngryOldDem]

35. Kick in the head, ain't it?

I was in college when that shit happened, and dammit, I AIN'T OLD.

[DainBramaged]

2. Attention young snot noses

Respect means realizing your ass will be olde soon enough.

[autorank]

8. That's right. Those of us perpetually stuck at 39 deserve some

respect, if we can only remember that.

[Breeze54]

3. "old people" is a mind set....

I prefer the term, 'experienced'... ;)

I remember it happening but not all the details.

Lets' see ... hmmmm....

shady dealings, lying through their teeth, America 'up in arms' (no pun intended):P

'Iran Contra hearings?

[alfredo]

4. Everyone knew they had cut a deal with the Iranians.

[Breeze54]

5. Yeah and I remember people being pretty pissed off about it, hence

all the Iran-Contra hearings and 'Olly (Gee!) North' (ugh!) and all that.

It went on for weeks, as I recall.

[sutz12]

9. I almost got my ass kicked one night in a bar...

because I let slip the comment that the Iranians got Ronnie Reagan elected. The guy almost went ballistic. I moved to the other end of the bar and didn't talk to him the rest of the night. I still believe it is true. :shrug:

[alfredo]

22. Some don't want the truth to interfere with their beliefs.

[B Calm]

37. They prefer to repeat lies they hear from right-wing wind bags who

are doing their best to rewrite history.

The truth is Vice President Elect George HW Bush flew to Iran and negotiated arms for hostages before their inaguration. If that wasn't sick enough, they negotiated that they keep the hostages as prisoners for another month and be released the day Reagan was sworn into office!

[frogcycle]

40. it is unequivocally true

the hostage thing was the 9/11 of the 80s

[autorank]

11. But our knowledged wasn't "sanctioned"

Another "blue ribbon investigation" gone wrong.

[alfredo]

23. How can you bring someone to justice when the guilty control the

means to justice.

[autorank]

10. Great web site! (the "Fix Iraq box, Yellow on sig line). How about "jaded"?

I hope the Iraqi's took video, if this actually happened, which I suspect it did.

That would be great. Bob Sagget or whatever his name is could have it on a special.

Now that would blow a lot of minds, pictures 24/7 (the event, not Bob)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Reaching back with my "experienced" mind...yep, you just about summed it up.

:)

[troubleinwinter]

7. … ” “ ’s ” ’s

[emilyg]

12. I'm too old to understand that.

[troubleinwinter]

13. It's excerpts from the OP. I don't understand it either.

[nosmokes]

14. Hey kid? Are you allowed to be up this up this late? n/t

[Kurovski]

15. K&R.

In gay years, I'm a fossil.

[SpiralHawk]

16. "October Surprise! Smirk." - Poppy 'Skull & Boner' Bush

"At least I didn't serve as banker to Hitler and the Nazis like my old man, or pathetically whimp out and fail America on 9/11 like my AWOL offspring." - Poppy

[tavalon]

17. A really good subject torpedoed by the unfortunate use of "old" when "older" or "more experienced"

would have been so much less divisive.

[autorank]

30. If I wanted to be divisive...

I would have used 'Attention, Wrinkled People' or 'Attention, Sun City Residents' or
'Attention Willard Scott Fans' or 'Attention, All those who remember the buffalo head nickel'.

Don't see anyone here too offended. Although you could say that those offended simply didn't
show up.

[anitar1]

19. The OP ain't got no couth. What a title. n/t

[autorank]

25. Couth?

What's that?

If you get this reference you're old - 'I been 39 for years'

My subject line should have been 'Attention, those in 'protected class'

I'll look up couth and work on it. If you run into my posts again, you can give me
a grade or rating. If it's bad enough, I'll go to The Lounge for a week;)

[B Calm]

20. Shortly after the republicans armed Iran, they gave Iraq WMD's.

It was sickening what the republicans would do just to make Jimmy Carter look bad.

[autorank]

26. They are shameless.

How Rummy could get away with arming Iraq and ram this war down our throats, I'll never know.

[Thothmes]

34. If I remember correctly

Both Houses of the United States Congress were controlled by the Democratic Party. They abetted the effort and should bear some of the responsibility.

[B Calm]

36. During the time right after the election, and before Reagan's Inauguration

in January, George Bush Sr. went to Iran and negotiated Arms for Hostages. Congress had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

[DemReadingDU]

21. I'm old enough, but

My brain wasn't paying attention to political things back then. :(

I remember that Reagan won, but that was about it.

Spouse paid attention to details, I'll forward ths along.

[autorank]

28. You've made up for lost time.

Spousal remarks welcome. She can include any gossip or good recipes also...

[DemReadingDU]

31. LOL

I should have said husband

:rofl:



I'm too busy reading DU, to cook up any special recipes!

:P

[Solly Mack]

24. K&R

I'm old and hope to get even older

[Ellen Forradalom]

27. My gymnastics' teacher rule #3

"You're not old if you're in this class." I'm 44 and I remember the October Surprise vividly.

[autorank]

29. Ellen, not to worry, you're young!!!

:hi:

[elizfeelinggreat]

32. "Amazingly, the task force accepted the administration's terms."

I never want to see those words again.

[H2O Man]

33. I remember

how Abbie Hoffman was engaged in a very serious investigation of Bush the Elder's role in this.

[Hubert Flottz]

38. I'm still too old to forget!

The way things are headed it makes old age seem a little more tolerable.

Maybe if I'm lucky I won't live long enough to see the GOPers totally destroy our founding father's every idea and dream of how and what "America" should be, like they seem so damned determined to do.

Who would Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin Rob and Torture?

[blindpig]

39. Go away, I'm busy....

One of the hallmarks of the Bush dynasty is their arrogance combined with their hunger to be recognised as a top shelf historical entity. Within the context of the ruling class agenda they are 'arrivistes' and desperate to leave their mark upon policy and history, with all of the finesse of a hungry dog. Any other ruling class clique would pursue the same goals, but the Bushes, they have no 'style'.