The Greatest Disgrace of The Bush Presidency Is Us

[ThomWV]

We let him stay in office long after it was clear that he was a lawbreaker and would not hold to his obligation to protect and abide by the Constitution. We had, and have, an obligation to remove him from office and we have not and likely will not fulfill it. We have failed miserably, we haven't even made a serious attempt. There is no one to blame for the lawlessness that is our nation today but ourselves.

[Doug.Goodall]

1. Well let's do what we can now to set it right - VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!

Obama will change the government back to the progressive-liberal position is should be in.

[ThomWV]

2. If you think that the next President will undo what Bush has done you are mistaken

All the power Bush has given to the Presidency will remain, and be misused just as he has misused it, and it won't make a single bit of difference what party the next Constitutional abuser belongs to.

[Donnachaidh]

10. Neither one of the Dem candidates will do much more than make sure the graft

turns BLUE.

Both of them are old-school, "let's do for us before we do for our constituents". BOTH have heavy debts to the corporate donors who paid for their campaigns.

[Doug.Goodall]

45. I would prefer a Democrat over a Republican any day

I am optimistic enough to think Obama will be better than McCain

[madokie]

5. Hello Doug welcome to DU

:hi:

[Doug.Goodall]

44. Thax, long time lurker, new poster

[Bandit]

16. Yep that is what everyone said about Peloisi as well.

I think you should do a little more in depth study...

[Doug.Goodall]

47. I prefer Nancy Peloisi to Dennis Hastert

I think a bad Democrat in office is superior to a good Republican

[stillrockin]

3. I agree.

[jgraz]

4. The voters did their part -- we defeated him in 04 and voted in a Dem Congress in 06

At this point, it's our elected leaders who are the disgrace. They allowed a second theft of a presidential election and have continued to roll over even now that they're in the majority.

It's time for some housecleaning, starting with Pelosi. http://www.usalone.com/on_the_table.php

[Golden Raisin]

15. Yes! Short of carrying a pail of tar and

a bag of feathers to the White House lawn, what more are we supposed to have done? Our votes in the booth are negated either by Republicans manipulating or outright stealing elections, or our own Party worthies doing shit (thank you particularly Madame Pelosi). Hillary Clinton happens to be my Senator. I sent an email to her which was never answered (not even the courtesy of one of those robotic, auto-replies, "So-sorry-but-the-Senator-can't-possibly-answer-every-email"). Dead silence. Zero response. Should I have personally gone to her office hand-carrying petitions or pitchforks and torches? I sent an email begging Schumer (my other Senator) not to confirm Mukasey. We all know how that turned out. After almost 60 years I no longer believe that phoning or writing our elected representatives means shit, or accomplishes anything. They just ignore us and do whatever the hell they want --- exactly what Bush has done for the last 7 years.

[Fireweed247]

18. we need to support real Democrats in every district.

This site has a list going, but we need more good Democrats to run for office
http://peacecandidates.com/peace_candidate_list

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. Damn right! It starts with us at the district level.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. This crap will go on until we get bullet-proof majorities

in the House and Senate.

Undoing what Bush has done will be a daunting task. I don't know if it will ever be possible.

[Donnachaidh]

11. this crap will go on until ALL the incumbents on BOTH sides are replaced.

ALL of them.

[jgraz]

17. Not all of them, just the fake-ass Vichy-Dem crapweasels.

So... ALMOST all of them. :banghead:

[HughBeaumont]

29. The appeaser Lieberdems are even worse than Republican'ts in my book.

Especially the ones that capitulate to corporations & the wealthy and give them whatever they want.

[jgraz]

33. Total agreement. Fifth columnists always do more damage than front-line soldiers

[Windex]

36. exactly!

we have to do more than see if they have a D or R behind their name. We have to check corporate ties and PAC money.

[hellbound-liberal]

7. Not to mention the level of fear with which our fellow Americans now live their lives

It is pathetic to see how so many of us curl up into the fetal position whenever a government official shouts Boo!

[bdamomma]

41. We should make our government fear us, maybe in a way

they do, that is why we are being spied on.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. I'm giving "us" some slack for being where we are.

To my best understanding, a large majority of us voted against * in 2000 and 2004, and voted for democratic candidates for representatives and senators in 2000 and 2004. Many of us have expressed our frustration and displeasure in several forums and to our representatives/senators, etc. to demostrate political will.

Unfortunately not much influence of our indignation has resulted. We are not apathetic or braindead. The system is broken. Short of storming the American equivalent of the Bastille (and probably being fired upon by the federalized National Guard), we have used our rights as citizens pretty well up to this point.

[KharmaTrain]

9. "We" Will Be A Disgrace If We Forget...

I never hestitate to tell those who still admit they voted for his assholiness they have blood on their hands, and I sure as hell won't let them wipe it off on me.

The saving grace is it took many of our worst nightmares to be realized to wake up Democrats and this country...and to expose repugnican lies and deceptions for what they were. In essence, the village had to be burnt down to "save it"...and that's where we must never forget what's happened, whose responsible and demand accountability.

It'll be a disgrace if we let these crooks get away with their pillage and not demand those who broke laws, trampled on the Constitution and ruined this country must be exposed, investigated and brought to justice. Our "long national nightmare" won't be over until a the war criminals are prosecuted, the profiteers as well and the crimes of this regime are opened up to the country, the world and history.

Cheers....

[Horse with no Name]

12. Irreparable harm has come to this nation

that won't be fixed anytime soon.
Which was precisely my point that WHY would a million Democrats march AGAINST Hillary Clinton...yet wouldn't stand outside Congress and force them to do their job?
I believe our country has seen one too many episode of Survivor and/or American Idol.
We pretty much get what we deserve...and that isn't going to be a pretty sight.

[spanone]

13. i didn't let him stay in office, i've bombarded my reps with impeachment talk for years

[ixion]

14. For my part, I've been preaching accountability for years now

albeit largely to a deaf and dumb audience. I think many here have been doing this. It's difficult to enforce if you're not in the congress. Just look at all the cities and some states that have drafted impeachment legislation. What has that gotten us? Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. With folks like Reid and Pelosi at the helm of congress, we're not going to get anywhere.

I also agree that neither of the potential candidates will do much, if anything, to restore the rule of law.

[Kolesar]

20. Speak for yourself...eom

[TahitiNut]

21. We're a nation of cowards and criminals as long as their crimes go unprosecuted.

There is no excuse. None. The "ultimate" option is always an option. Our Declaration of Independence affirms the moral right (I would call it a duty) of any nation of people to reclaim their self-governance by whatever means are necessary.

"We" have not shed a single drop of blood in standing up, even non-violently, to the forces of greed and predation. We don't deserve self-governance unless and until we're willing to make such a stance.

[Hydra]

25. First good response I've seen on this page!!!

Pathetic what the real soul of the american people is. Weak, stupid and fearful.

[bdamomma]

42. It all begins with us.

I totally agree TahitiNut.:thumbsup:

[Hydra]

22. Amazing how many people refuse to see it

Bush was NEVER ELECTED.

We did nothing.

9/11 was allowed.

We did nothing.

Iraq was invaded.

We did nothing.

Katrina happened.

We did nothing.

Spying happened.

We did nothing.

Show trials happened.

We did nothing.

Torture happened.

We did nothing.

...and we still do nothing!!!!

[sasha031]

23. Does the country know

That *ush walks out with a lifetime pension of $400,00, don't know how much *heney gets but I'm sure it's at least that.

In the meantime, we have had a illegal war that has cost millions of lives and our treasury, the masses our losing their homes, our debt reaches to the heavens, and so on and on! They have destroyed our country and it's going to take decades to get it back.

Do the people know that these guys will walk away with huge pensions, lifetime health care(the best) whatever else they stole from the treasury, at taxpayers expense.

[Greyhound]

35. Another reason why impeachment and conviction is their duty, not an option. n/t

[Raster]

24. The greatest disgrace is that we ever let him assume the pResidency.

Never lawfully and legally elected. Strong-armed his way into the Oval Office.

[Tippy]

27. I believe the greatest disgrace is not making our elected officials

IMPEACH....

[Tippy]

26. Your right

Instead of voting for the lesser of 2 evils we should vote for the candidate with the guts to do what is right, keep their campaign promises, and kick the evil out....I could go on and on and on...Voters should take the right to vote seriously and know who they're voting for...

[tom_paine]

28. Unquestionably.

[Vincardog]

30. There is no one to blame for the lawlessness that is our nation today but ourselves. BULLSHIT

WE never elected this POS. The SCOTUS illegally appointed him.
WE defeated him again in 2004 and Diebold and the corporate controlled media denied us our rights as citizen voters to have our will done.

I don't know about you but I have done everything in my power to stop the entirety of this corrupt cabal. I accept none of the blame that you want to throw my way. I have stood in protest. I have marched on Washington. I have signed petitions and visited my congress critter.

What have you done?

[bdamomma]

43. ok, many of us have done what you have done

march, sign petitions and trying to fight the good fight, but what percentage of people like us are out there, what percentage of people care about this country, some are in denial and some are willfully ignorant. Just my opinion.

[barbtries]

31. i'm not blaming myself

i have done what i could to keep him out and to get rid of him since he's been in.

[Philosoraptor]

32. ...............

[Greyhound]

34. A coup and 3 fraudulent elections, how does that make it our fault?

I agree that we should stand up, but there are too few that are ready to accept the truth and force the issue.

Most are still too comfortable and believe they have too much to lose, so nothing will change until there are widespread riots and cities on flame. Nothing short of a popular uprising will stop what has begun.

[ThomWV]

39. We allowed it to happen, from the Brooks-Brothers-Riots to the appointment of Roberts

Every step of the way the american people were right there at his side, sometimes with 90% approval or more - so who else is responsible?

[krkaufman]

37. I accept that assessment. n/t

:spank:

[mwb970]

38. bush should never have been "elected" in the first place.

He should not have been re-elected. He should have been impeached. All of these went the wrong way, to the benefit of one jerk and the detriment of a country of 300,000,000 (and a world of 6 billion).

I hope bush burns forever in Hell.

[bdamomma]

40. the only thing I will say.

is that I agree with your comment.

Now what can all of us to change from going off the cliff. And this upcoming election is not a cure all either.

[Mike03]

46. I accept my part of the responsibility, but I have to say...

Part of this is how we were acculturated. These past eight years have been traumatic. I'm not even close to being the same person that I was in 2000. This has been a hideous period for a lot of us, and while I admit to failure, my main concern right now is how to repair the damage, not just to the country, but selfishly, to myself as well.

This has been an overwhelming assault on our nation but also on our humanity. I know I wasn't prepared for it on any level. I kept thinking that it would stop and reverse itself, but at every pivot point, Bush continued to succeed in his plan.

It's Godawful, and we have a lot of work to do.