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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:47 PM
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Bush administration's abuse of FISA warrants linked to Sibel Edmonds case
Bush administration's abuse of FISA warrants linked to Sibel Edmonds case
By Bill Conroy,
Posted on Sun Feb 25th, 2007 at 05:20:11 PM EST

FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds is continuing her fight to expose what she claims is serious corruption within the Bush administration. To date, the Bush administration has used the state-secrets privilege claim to silence Edmonds and prevent her from presenting evidence in the courts or Congress.

However, it now appears Edmonds has found a way to beat the state-secrets gag order.

In the coming weeks, insiders tell Narco News, Edmonds and the group she founded, the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, will be coming forward with hard evidence, obtained legally from third-party sources, demonstrating that the Bush administration has used FISA warrants to engage in unauthorized surveillance of members of Congress and their staffs, and allegedly the FISA court was not aware of this misuse of the warrants.

The federal FISA court (set up under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) issues surveillance warrants (usually to the FBI) that target foreign intelligence agents operating in the United States. However, the warrants are not supposed to be used to conduct surveillance on U.S. citizens who are not acting illegally in the interest of a foreign power, such as members of Congress.

The fact that over the past five years, no known criminal investigations or indictments have resulted from the FISA warrants in question, Narco News sources claim, leads to the possibility that the information gathered through the warrants was being used by the Bush administration for political control and not law enforcement purposes.

These allegations go to the heart of Edmonds claims that she is being silenced for attempting to expose espionage-related activities (intercepted through wiretaps) that would reveal a trail of corruption within the Bush administration that is a threat to the national security of the country.
<...>
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2007/2/25/172012/182



Speak truth to power, Sibel!! Don't be afraid. We have your back!

SR
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:55 PM
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1. Anyone know this site or this author's creds? Got any?
Why should anyone believe Bill Conroy? Who is he, and is anyone responsible for this content? Willing to stand behind it?

I can type anything I want to, but these allegations are really serious.

Without some substance, this could make DU look bad.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:19 PM
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5. NarcoNews has a lot of creds with me
They sometimes operate out on the edge of what is securely known, but they have always been scrupulous in what they say -- and they go a good ways back on the Sibel Edmonds story. For example, here's the opening of a Bill Conway story from over a year ago:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/12/17/181422/49

Judge in Scooter Libby, Sibel Edmonds cases is redacted in action
By Bill Conroy,
Posted on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 06:14:22 PM EST

What do two of the biggest national-security news stories of the century — the Valerie Plame leak scandal and the legal case of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds — have in common?

They both are being presided over by the same federal judge in the District of Colombia, Reggie Walton, a Bush appointee to the federal court and a man who appears to have a few well-kept secrets of his own.

All federal judges are required under ethics rules to file what is known as “financial disclosure reports.”

The disclosure statement filed by Walton, which was obtained through the dogged efforts of a conservative watchdog group called Judicial Watch, is curious in what it does not reveal. Remember, this judge is arguably handling two of the most sensitive and potentially far-reaching challenges to the free press and the public’s right to know of our times.

It seems presumptuous of you to attempt to cast doubt on them and then suggest that posting this story could "make DU look bad" without even taking the elementary steps to check them out.


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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:29 PM
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7. me too
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:48 PM
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11. Laura! how are you! Great to hear from you. Glad this story has legs.
Your endorsement is enough for me. Thanks.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:03 AM
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13. while I appreciate the sentiment...
i think you are confusing me with someone. are you thinking of Laura Rozen?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:27 PM
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32. Sorry. You're an editor for Raw Story, right? I got your name wrong.
Sorry!
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:19 PM
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12. An endorsement from lala_rawraw carries big weight with me.
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 09:21 PM by StrictlyRockers
I don't know much about this source. But I certainly have tremendous respect for Rawstory, and in particular for Larisa Alexandrovna and her reporting.

First rate!

:thumbsup:

SR
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:04 AM
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14. :D
thank you, that was very nice:D

Narco were the first to expose the House of Death scandal
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:26 AM
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29. Me too.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:59 AM
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26. You're right, if only he was writing for the New York Times
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 11:17 AM by JackRiddler
like Judy Miller, he'd be more believable. Reporters cite sources and general facts. Some are their own exclusive sources, others can be checked. You check it out and decide if a story stands or not for yourself. There is no alternative. Over time, you learn who you trust to be right most of the time.

Narconews is a great publication. They won a landmark free-press case in 2002 establishing that Internet sites have the same rights of press freedom as the New York Times. The whole Internet owes them big time.

As for Sibel Edmonds, check out the articles linked at the bottom of the following page:
http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20060330010513521

Don't read that story first, as it will make little sense unless you follow some of the earlier stories. Here are the headlines:

"I Saw Papers That Show US Knew al-Qa'ida Would Attack Cities With Airplanes", Apr 2, 2004
Public Letter to 9/11 Commission Chairman (criticizing Commission Report sharply), Aug 1, 2004
Edmonds still silenced, but why?, Dec 17, 2004
ACLU steps into Edmonds case & defense, Jan 12, 2005
IG Report slams FBI, vindicates Edmonds, Jan 15, 2005
Whistleblowers and 9/11 families to go to court to support Edmonds, Jan 21, 2005
Sibel Edmond's Letters to DoD, the Armed Services Committee and White House Counsel, Feb 1, 2005
Judge in Scooter Libby, Sibel Edmonds Cases is Redacted in Action, Dec 17, 2005
Sibel Edmonds, New Group Calls for Whistleblowers To Step Forward, Dec 29, 2005
NSWBC Calls for New Whistleblower Protections, Jan 16, 2006
Sibel Edmonds Interview with Alex Jones, Jan 19, 2006
Government Of the People, By the People, For the People! Sibel Edmonds' Keynote Speech at ACLU National Security Whistleblower Press Conference
National Press Club, Washington, DC, Jan 26, 2005
Court Won't Let Public Hear What Edmonds Has to Say (James Ridgeway, Village Voice) April 21, 2005
"Gagged, But Not Dead" by Sibel Edmonds, May 14, 2005
A Lesson in Research: How Sibel's story was "retroactively classified"
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:00 PM
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2. If..and I say if this is true...the evidence has to be made public
and let the deep investigations begin.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:30 PM
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8. yes
and it is not just tapping members of congress... journalists as well.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:05 AM
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27. I wonder if posters here realize the dangers implicit in this kind of surveillance?
Surveillance of public officials and journalists gives an entity access to information that can be used to control those individuals through extortion, blackmail, or just blocking their efforts to perform their duties.

It is extremely damaging because it is the threat to publicly expose that information that becomes the lever on the power of public officials and journalists not only to frustrate their efforts, but to turn them into aiders and abettors of the policies the holders of this information are pushing.

If she knows, lala_rawraw could tell you about these kinds of practices which were used on a regular basis in the old Soviet Union before it fell.

It is very dangerous to be in this kind of situation, but it is the very appearance of agreement with these policies by those elected to watch out for the public interest that does the most damage. Same for the members of the press, though not elected they still have the public perception as being a 'watchdog' when in fact they are 'lapdogs.'
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:34 AM
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15. It is very important that this information be made public. n/t
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:06 PM
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3. Given that anything and everything this malodorous bunch
is doing and has done can always be cast in the light of executive necessity, the only way they can begin to be held responsible is through the process that Fitzgerald has used and that experienced investigators often use.
They must be forced or maneuvered into telling their lies under oath and then prosecuted for perjury and obstruction. It is difficult to imagine any other mouse trap that would be escape proof and not conducive to the crooks' wiggling out.

Other than armed insurrection, what else is there?
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:10 PM
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4. dam 2 face sob
wtf is this peice of shit still living in our white house is beyond me
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:20 PM
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6. Bush administration used FISA warrants in unauthorized surveillance of members of Congress & staff:
I would have bet money on it from the start.

AND that they used any info they could too.


Now, just name the congressional members and we should be off to the races.

Please. Oh please. Oh please.......


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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:43 AM
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18. If this does not have IMPEACHMENT written all over it, I don't know what does.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:38 PM
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9. Does anyone here really believe Cheney/Bush aren't tapping political enemies?
Look at the Cheney response to Joe Wilson's trip. Anything that could expose their agenda will be monitored.

Is it 1984 yet?
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:45 PM
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10. i believe it
What other explanation is their to explain their refusal to bring their wiretapping under the law?

When you're doing something illegal, and a congressman comes to you and tells you he will introduce a bill to make it legal, and you refuse, you know that you must be doing something that you want nobody to know about.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:33 AM
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19. Well, it is double plus ungood.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:55 AM
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16. morning kick
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:16 AM
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17. Founder of NarcoNews is one of the good guys, loads of cred.
A conversation with Al Giordano

On the eve of his return to New York City to answer a libel suit brought by Banamex executive Roberto Hernández, Narco News Bulletin publisher/editor/correspondent Al Giordano took part in an e-mail exchange with the Phoenix’s Dan Kennedy. An edited transcript of their conversation follows.

DAN KENNEDY: Why the Narco News Bulletin? You’ve done good work writing for the Phoenix and the Valley Advocate, and hosting a talk-radio show in Western Mass. Why did you want to go off completely on your own, and why did you want a cover a topic — the war on drugs in Latin America — that everyone knows is important but that few people really care about?

AL GIORDANO: Dan, first let me say that it is a pleasure to be interviewed by you again. The last time you interviewed me, in 1993, you were the news editor at the Phoenix, looking to hire a new political reporter. I hope this interview goes at least as well.

I’ll answer your lead question with what the lawyers call a leading question: if “few people really care about” how the US government is waging the war on drugs in Latin America, then why is Narco News getting an average of 20,000 to 25,000 hits per day after just one year of publication?

http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/dont_quote_me/documents/01285285.htm


Abbie's Road

By Al Giordano
originally published on April 24, 1989

His road began in Worcester, the Massachusetts city of seven hills and no thrills, on November 30, 1936, at 4:30 p.m., double-trouble in a triple-decker house. The end of the road came on April 12, 1989, when Abbie Hoffman was found lying peacefully in his bed outside of New Hope, Pennsylvania, with a stomach full of barbiturates and a legacy that will be felt for as long as the rest of the human race survives. The fact that the coroner said he committed suicide does not for one moment erase all the good he did while serving his life-sentence on planet earth. Abbie was captain of his own ship. He did everything on his own terms, including die.

He was a friend of mine. But his loss will leave a gaping black hole for many who mourn his passage, including millions around the world who never met him, except when he entered their living rooms through the television set, pioneering a new method of guerrilla warfare on the electronic battlefield of the mass media.


Editor's Note: Advocate staff writer Al Giordano and Abbie Hoffman were close friends and co-conspirators for eight years. Since Hoffman's death on Wednesday, April 12, Giordano has been in Pennsylvania, New York and Worcester with the Hoffman family and friends.

In 1987 Hoffman wrote about Giordano as "the best under-thirty community organizer in America." Last summer, Hoffman asked him to write his authorized biography.

"Al taught me the strategy of 'capture the flag,' " Hoffman wrote of Giordano in Steal This Urine Test. "I took Al's lesson with me to the University of Massachusetts on November 24, 1986, when I spoke at a rally against CIA recruiting on campus."

"Capturing the Flag," wrote Hoffman, "implies you are as good an American or better than the Enforcers. It is a strategy essential to winning in the eighties."

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:SSl0SYtM-g8J:old.valleyadvocate.com/25th/archives/abbies_road.html+al+giordano,+biography&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=us


"Why the Lawsuit?
To Silence Him"
A Message From Gary Webb

"Make no mistake. This court fight isn't about any particular story NarcoNews has done. It's about ALL of them, and all of the ones yet to come. And it's a battle over the continued independence of Internet journalism as well. The silencing of Al Giordano and NarcoNews isn't a theoretical possibility that might happen a couple years from now. It's already happening. Al and his volunteer lawyers are hip-deep in it right now. And they need our help."
- Pulitzer Prize Winning Journalist Gary Webb
March 16, 2001

March 16, 2001

http://narconews.com/webbletter.html


Courage in Colrain
The IRS plans to auction off the house of local war tax resisters Randy Kehler and Betsy Corner on July 19. But Kehler and Corner have no plans to leave their family nest of ten years

By Al Giordano
originally published on July 10, 1989

In China last year, according to published reports, 3,000 tax collectors were beaten or killed while on the job. During the American revolution, some tax collectors were tarred and feathered. It's hard enough to pay taxes, even when you benefit from the school, fire or police services they provide. How frustrating, then, for so many Americans forced to pay federal taxes for a nuclear war that they morally oppose, and pray will never happen.
The U.S. Internal Revenue Service plans to auction off the Colrain home of Randy Kehler and Betsy Corner on July 19. They say that the couple owes them $27,000 in back taxes. But local IRS agents need not worry about suffering the fate of their Chinese counterparts. Kehler and Corner are peaceful folk. In fact, that's the point. Kehler and Corner say they can't, in good conscience, give their hard-earned money away for killing.
Kehler and Corner give the amount they would pay in federal taxes to local groups instead: the Veterans Outreach Center, NELCWIT, the Greenfield Survival Center and the Traprock Peace Center. They do pay their state and local taxes. They even file a record of their earnings with the IRS each year, calculating how much they would be required to pay, and informing the federal tax agency that they've given the amount to these other groups, because they don't want their money spent on war.

snip:
"I had a draft card. Turned it in back in '67. I did 22 months in federal prison." Before he went to jail, at age 26, Kehler gave a speech in Pennsylvania explaining why he, a graduate of Exeter Academy and Harvard, chose to go to jail instead of to Vietnam.

In the audience that night was a Pentagon consultant named Daniel Ellsberg. "Here was this person," recalls Ellsberg, "that I thought was such an attractive American. I really had patriotic feelings when I heard him speak. Then he announced that he was on his way to prison and it hit me."

Ellsberg vaulted into national prominence when he leaked the Pentagon Papers -- the secret history of the Vietnam War -- to the U.S. Senate and the newspapers. "I wouldn't have thought of copying those papers," says Ellsberg, "without the direct example of Randy, and without having met him."

snip to end:
"I have no doubt," says Ellsberg, "that Randy and Betsy' s example will influence the lives of other people. It may only be individuals, but you can never tell whether that individual will have a greater effect. I'm glad this attention is focused on Randy and Betsy. People can't do better but meet them, and hear what they are saying. It can only improve people's lives."

Daniel Ellsberg beams when he speaks of the young man who inspired him, 20 years ago, to make his own historic stand. "It takes courage," says Ellsberg of Kehler and Corner's protest. "We won't get out of this hole without courage. It's really passed on from person to person."
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:DUELeAkta-0J:old.valleyadvocate.com/25th/archives/colrain_courage.html+al+giordano,+traprock+peace+center&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


I read somewhere that Al started with Traprock Peace Center, a couple of years ago he returned there for a summer seminar.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:05 AM
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21. Thanks for the further endorsement of Narconews.
It is very good to know this comes from a credible source.

SR
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:17 AM
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22. wow, thank you...
Though i really wish i could find a working link to the Colrain, MA article from The Advocate's archives. Maybe their server is bust right now, because there appears to be a 25th anniversary link, but it's not working for me. I live in Western Mass and have been wanting to go to Traprock for ages. Also i'm moving to Colrain next month and have been somewhat active in the peace community and anti-Vermont Yankee crowd. Would love to read some background and find out if their house was taken and what eventually happened to those War Tax resisters!

Al Giordano will be speaking in the area in April... i'm going to call Food for Thought Books in Amherst and see if they'll book him.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:36 AM
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20. "political control"
What I've thought all along. It's probably one of the reasons why the constitution is not being defended.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:47 AM
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23. Interesting. The problem until now has been domestic spying w/out warrants.
Now, we're told that someone sought (and obtained) FISA warrants to spy on Members of Congress. My guess would be the targets were staff members of Intel Committee who are suspected of leaking inconvenient (read, politically damaging)facts about the War on Terra. I know that Cheney absolutely freaked when shortly after 9/11 NSA intercepts of Atta talking to Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) were leaked - recall, the "Big Wedding" and the "match is tomorrow" intecepts that supposedly weren't translated until 9/12/01.

If there's been an abusive pattern of partisan political surveillance by US intelligence agencies, this could turn out to be a Big Story.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:55 AM
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24. Good guess.
Sounds bad enough for a ticket to civilian life for our commander in thief.

SR
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:55 AM
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25. Here is how the Sibel Edmonds matter could play out to expose Bushco...
She is under a gag order pursuant to the state secrets court order.

However, Congress can call her to testify before it and ask her the questions that would expose what is going on. Edmonds would have to say she cannot answer that because of the gag order.

So it becomes the old "I will ask you a question, and if you say states secret gag order then we will know there is something we need to examine here.'

Congress can then, on its own as a co-equal branch of government, put the tough questions to the Bush Administration officials about their nefarious acts and surveillance of members of Congress.
And if there are no answers forthcoming, I see the pursestrings closing up pretty tight.

THat is one way to get to the heart of what Sibel has been prevented from exposing.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:10 PM
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31. That would be great! n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:22 AM
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28. Sibel Edmonds case - summary
http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20060330010513521

(...)

A few months after September 11th, the FBI hired Edmonds as a translator for Farsi and Turkish. She says she discovered that documents already translated (and suppressed) prior to 9/11 had contained details of a pending attack on the US with airplanes. In addition, one of her colleagues attempted to recruit her as a spy for a Turkish lobbying group. When she spoke out about these experiences - and other finds suggesting corruption, money laundering and drug deals at the top levels of the US government - she was fired. Attorney General John Ashcroft slapped Edmonds with a gag order under the seldom-used State Secrets Act. In the most bizarre and Orwellian twist, Ashcroft "retroactively classified" many of the statements Edmonds had already made. This included information published in the press prior to the gag order.

Edmonds took up a long court battle for her right to speak out, but ran into Judge Walton, who has upheld the "State Secrets" provision over Edmonds' First Amendment rights. Adding to the general feel of impropriety about the proceedings, Edmonds originally had a different judge assigned to her case at random (as per the usual procedure), only to have the hearings reassigned to Walton's court without explanation. (The original judge, James Robertson, also held a seat on the FISA court, which he later resigned in protest over the NSA wiretapping scandal.)

The Justice Department's inspector general ultimately determined that Edmonds' firing was due "in part" to her whistleblowing activities. But there have been no consequences for those responsible, and her efforts to get the gag order lifted have been frustrated in court. The 9/11 Commission heard Edmonds' story in several hours of closed-door testimony - and, typically, completely omitted it from their report, either to confirm or deny. This prompted Edmonds to write a scathing open letter to the chairman of the commission, and to take her case to the public.

As a founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Edmonds has taken up the fight to achieve greater protection for freedom of speech and for whistleblowers. As a naturalized citizen, she is a powerful and outspoken advocate for the rights of all citizens, the rights we now see endangered. 911Truth.org has provided extensive coverage on the Edmonds case through more than a dozen stories and archived items from other sites. See the collection of past articles, below.

http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20060330010513521
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:45 AM
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30. Good summary, Jack.
Thanks for posting this.

SR
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:28 PM
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33. When the truth finally comes out it will detail Saudi Arabia/Pakistan/Turkey as players
... and the public officials directly connected to them and their money.
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