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NavyVet07 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:56 PM
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DU, May I Take the Stump
Lend Me Your Eyes and Nervous System for 5 Minutes.

I am a Navy Veteran of 6 years. I did 2 tours of duty to the Persian Gulf on the USS Iwo Jima and the USS Harry S. Truman. I also served in Bahrain under the 6th Fleet Intelligence Command. So In my 6 years I have been one busy man.

But I am not on here to flaunt what I have done or seen, I am on DU because I am now a concerned citizen who is gaining the ability to speak freely again. You see, I left the United States for a good part of my enlistment. I had no ability to keep up with my family, state and nation's news. I was in the dark. I'm coming around like a drunkard on the morning after and seeing the destruction that is happening.

On a personal level I have been forced out of the job that I've held due to downsizing. Even the military is being outsourced to contractors. Now, I have no leg to stand on and I'm 30% disabled due to a fall I sustained while at sea. Finding a job is like finding a hair in a pool. I am still strong, and smart so I'm going to keep kicking around until someone picks me up.

Here recently I returned to my home state to find that due to uncontrolled logging restrictions over 10,000 acres of surrounding land has been stripped and left for dead. This is unacceptable. Is the economy so bad that my fellow outdoorsmen have to surrender their lives and kids lives to these greedy corporations who care for nothing more than their money? I understand dire circumstances, but there is such a thing as selective cutting.

My representative will not respond to messages with photos of the raped land. All I get is a "Thank you for your concern" letter and a peppermint. I feel like I wrote my grandmother rather than my congressman.

So I go to the town I grew up in and find that Wal Mart has literally consumed the entire job force into their scheme of things. Thousands of people have been pushed out of a job because of this monopolizing force (primarily in small towns) comes in and wipes Private Businesses out.

People now are turning to drugs, specifically Marijuana and Meth to get by. Health amongst 25 year olds (the people I graduated with) is dismal. People are dying of heart attacks and from inhalation of ammonia (a integral part in the meth making process). It is a very dangerous and sickening situation, but no one private or government wise is doing anything about it. They view it as just another scourge that will die out.

My parents, proud owners of a 3rd generation farm and a small tire shop have to literally scrounge for money in order to pay health insurance. 2 50 year old healthy people are paying $750.00 a month. No disease or risk factors whatsoever.

We as Americans need to be in a binding force, and we need to change ourselves from the inside out and not rely on the government anymore. I hate to say it, but I've seen things that my government did that will cause me to never trust them anymore. In any aspect, at that. We the people are the mechanism that will eventually turn this country around, and if we do not band together I am suggesting that we will perish in the fashion that all other empires have.

I have hope though, and this mountain might just be another grain of sand in our history, but we are facing SERIOUS issues and it seems people just shrug them off as a passive threat.

Do I share these sentiments with anyone.

Thanks for letting me share.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:58 PM
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1. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:48 PM
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40. I'll second that.... welcome...
Welcome to our nightmare. Ronald Reagan brought morning to America yet most of the people remained asleep. Then the bushies did their damnedest to scare the sleeple awake, and they did, only it is the sound of the door to our freedoms being slammed shut that rings all too clear.

This country has schlepped on with the sound of the cash register as it's herald while the greedy have made the most of what was left us by our forefathers.

Only because our Navy has ruled the high seas have we been able to keep the ship afloat, and we thank you for your service, but wish not one more American would take up arms to fight an ultimately losing battle.

Now we must turn inward and take back our country. And DU is a good place to find the ammo for our coming battles.

Welcome aboard, mate.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:06 PM
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71. Yes,. Welcome!!!
This is the most poignant, heartfelt post I have read in ages. Thank you so much. Have you ever considered a life in politics? With your service record, and your eloquence, people will listen.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:00 PM
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2. many people
do share your sentiments. I wish you the best of luck and hope things improve for you and your family as soon as possible.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:00 PM
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3. Great Post And Yes Many Of Us Share Your Concerns
Oh, Welcome to DU!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:00 PM
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4. HEY! Who took the damned stump!?!?!
Welcome to DU :hi:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:02 PM
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5. Welcome, Navy Vet!
You are not alone--there are many vets here, and many patriots who feel as you do--we don't recognize our own country anymore.

Hope talking about it here on our forum helps a little bit!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:03 PM
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6. Welcome to DU
It can be a rough and ready place with many views. Hang in, you've found some kindred spirits here.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:03 PM
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7. You sure sound like one of us.
Welcome to DU. :hi:

--IMM
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:03 PM
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8. Welcome back to America. It's not the America you thought you had when you left,
nor the America you hoped you'd see upon your return.

And I'm so DAMN sorry that's the case. Whatever I may think I've done while you were gone, to try to make this country the kind of place you'd be happy to return to after your service, it wasn't enough.

There's a lot more I was going to say, but I can't. And I can't tell you why I can't.

But what I can do is to thank you for your post. And recommend it, so the most people possible can read it.

Redstone
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:05 PM
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9. Welcome aboard, NavyVet ..
Great opening stump speech.

:toast:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:07 PM
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12. Is THAT the kind of person we could benefit from having at DU, or what?
I'm damned impressed.

Redstone
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:13 PM
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19. Ahem. Notice where he lives.
:beaming with pride:

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:22 PM
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22. Yeah, so? You know, YOUR state is not the ONLY place where people are intelligent, patriotic,
and care about what happening in this country! In fact, I just read about that, in YOUR state, there was something about some kind of pervert last week....

Oh, sorry. I thought this was GD-P.

Seriously: Be proud, Midlo. Be very proud. Buy that young man a beer for me, if you ever meet him. I'm too damn old and tired to be able to make a significant difference, but he's not.

Redstone
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:28 PM
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26. That pervert was matcom and we shipped him off to Mexico.
:rofl:

:loveya:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:15 PM
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76. ...
:rofl:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:14 PM
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75. I'm sure glad you changed your tone.
:P
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:56 PM
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79. Short answer?
Absofuckinglutely.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:11 AM
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100. LOVE HIS SIG LINE TOO!
:woohoo:
:eyes:
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:17 AM
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84. It's like a breath of fresh air
:)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:09 AM
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98. My eyes are stinging and my last nerve worked...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:46 AM
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141. ...
:wow:
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:05 PM
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10. welcome back and welcome to DU,
You are not alone thinking your country has changed. It's time to change it back to something that resembles the United States of America.:toast:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:06 PM
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11. Welcome to DU, NavyVet07
We hear you! We have been watching the changes before our eyes these past 7 years, and have been ignored by our "representatives" as well. It tore our hearts out to watch an American city drown by a lethal cocktail of design and neglect.

Here we (mostly) believe that the worst of the damage is because a group of people who hate government and government regulations were put in charge of the government. Things that used to work (albeit not perfectly, or even every well in some cases) have not only stopped working, but have been turned against us, the populace.

Appreciation and protection of the "Commons", of public service, and public property and the common good have gone out of fashion. A sleepy, hypnotized population has abdicated it's responsibility as citizens, and you can see the result.

Welcome to DU. You will agree with some of us, and (surely) disagree with some of us. I hope you will stay while we attempt to put Humpty Dumpty together again.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:09 PM
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15. Boy, I wish I could write as well as you do. That's one of the best posts I've ever seen on DU.
And I'd not ever lie to you.

Redstone
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:15 PM
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56. lol.. now if only I could type. . .n/t
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:08 PM
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13. Welcome to DU,
I do share these concerns with you. It seems so much has changed over the last 7 years it must be shocking to come home after being away so long to find it this way.

Thanks for your service and good fortune on your job hunt.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:09 PM
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14. What I will never understand is..
.. why people go on tolerating the totally
evil intolerables in this country!!!!!!!!
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:11 PM
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16. I see the same thing when I go home.
You get a much clearer picture when you are away for a long time. Meth is maybe the worst thing ever in terms of it's destructive power. And nearly all of the woods I played in as a child are gone and the land is empty.

Welcome to DU. I am kind of new here also. Beware.. it is as addicting as meth but in a good way.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:11 PM
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17. Thank you for your service...
You're not alone in "coming around like a drunkard on the morning after" ~ millions of Americans are just coming around to full consciousness after years of apathy and/or shock. THINK CRITICAL MASS ~ we really are finally getting there!

Welcome to DU :)
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:12 PM
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18. Welcome aboard mate
After 4 years on pig boats, I got out to a world with Nixon running the show, and it has been downhill ever since. Obama gives me some inspiration that the guy will try and do his best rather than gaming the system like we have seen the past 7 years.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:14 PM
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20. welcome to DU, NavyVet...
great rant, albeit very tragic. You'll find many like-minded people here. If we stick together, we can beat these fascist bastards!
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NavyVet07 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:18 PM
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21. Well, Here's How I See It
My father got fed up with all of the manure that was being spouted by the politicians in our county.

He ran for office of commissioner and won by 3 votes (democracy was beautiful that night). That night he started talking. For two years now he has been talking to his constituents and shunning his rivals for taking money from the loggers.

Since his election, there have been 18 count them 18 acres of forest cut vice the almost 20,000 that the predecessor authorized for sale. It's because my father listens to his people, therefore he is my idol, no matter how low on the totem pole he currently is. His voice is 7003 people saying enough is enough and it works!

How I wish my dad and men and women like him would rise though the ranks of this government.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:22 PM
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23. Well then, I have to say..
Democrat or Republican, your Dad sounds like an upright guy.
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NavyVet07 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:27 PM
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25. He's in Political Confusion Right Now
He's not too Liberal but at the same time he's a Roosevelt Democrat. He's a Hillary man but there's a lot he has to disagree with.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:27 PM
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60. Great post! Welcome!
:hi: :thumbsup:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:31 PM
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27. No, people like your dad will NEVER "rise through the ranks of government."
They're to busy making a living and suporting their families and raising their kids, to be able to afford to stop doing that, and run for office.

Sad, but true.

Redstone
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:26 PM
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24. I think there are many more people...
aware of the reality that we are in deep shit, than we perceive. After all, how would we know? There is so much truth that is never spoken. But I think every time one of us sheds some light on the problems we all face, the closer we will get to a solution. Thanks for your post! :hi:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:31 PM
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28. Welcome aboard! Yes, yes, and yes.
I'm guessing maybe Idaho? Montana?

As a native Westerner myself, the pillaging of this region by deranged greedheads (manipulating the local "freedom-loving Republicans" into accepting a mess of pottage), is painful, indeed, to watch...
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NavyVet07 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:36 PM
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33. I'm visiting my native home
in Tennessee. Beautiful State, just not in Humphreys County....anymore.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:57 PM
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48. ah, the Southeastern forests! Yes, the pillaging began there first!
I just related your post to the "Western experience" so strongly, I lept to "regional conclusions!"

Take care...!
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:20 AM
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85. I knew it
I can hear the southern voice ...:) Southerner here too:hi:
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:35 AM
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102. I thought you might be from Oregon
Same deal here. I visited your state last year. In Oregon, people are confused. They think it's working people and the corporations vs. the trees. They still don't understand that it's the corporations vs. working people and the trees.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:32 PM
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29. Sounds like stumps are all you have left in your area
so i can't tell you to go climb a tree.

So, Welcome Home to DU, Sailor!
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:34 PM
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30. Well Said Mate
I enlisted 40 years ago and spent the better part of 4 years
overseas. Like you I became "detached" from everyday America.(no internet then)
When I got back, I felt the same sense of change, and not for the better.

I think everyone who spends time away learns to see America in a slightly different way.
You were an "insider" who got to view it from the "outside". When you see people
in other counties who are perfectly happy with little more than a tin shack and
the cloths on their backs you wonder what the hell is wrong with a society that has
so much material wealth and still isn't happy (hence all the drug use).

This new POV you experienced is a gift. What you do with it is up to you.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:01 PM
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68. Wow. I've never been able to get out of the US
but you've nailed my feelings.

I can't pin-point it, but sometime in the last few years, I had the same type of epiphany.



This new POV I have experienced is a gift, and what I choose to do with it is up to me.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:34 PM
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31. Eight years ago....
...the thing imitating a human being (I refer to him as Shitstain Shoots-Guy-In-Face) told a military crowd that, "Help is on the way." The fucking scumbag forgot to add, "to my buddies in the oil business, big pharma and the mercenary crowd." He did not mean the men and women of our armed services.

Help is on the way, NavyVet, help is on the way.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:35 PM
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32. Thank you for serving!
And thank you for putting into words the incredible destruction of our country under the Bush regime.

I think pretty much everyone on DU shares your feelings.
Welcome!

LibE
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:37 PM
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34. Welcome, NavyVet...
...my son is a Navy Vet, my bestest male pal is a Navy Vet (would call him the boyfriend, but that really dates me) and my uncle was a Navy Vet.

Great post! :hi:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:38 PM
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35. Thank you for your service and welcome to DU!
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:41 PM
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36. Welcome to DU!
Thank you for your service. What a great, well written post. One of the best I have ever read here. I believe that a lot of people feel the way that you do here on DU. I look forward to reading more from you.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:43 PM
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37. welcome to DU. Thank you for your service and thanks for your post.
This country needs change. We've allowed runaway capitalism and the oligarchy that controls it, to bleed us dry.

I only wish there was a candidate running who really represented the kind of change we so desperately need. Sadly, though, the corporate owners of our privatized electoral process eliminated the only candidates who offered any hope of the change we need.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:43 PM
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38. Yes you do and welcome to the Democratic Underground.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 05:51 PM by chknltl


You are among friends, welcome to the Democratic Underground NavyVet07 and thank you for your service to America.
:patriot: :toast:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:46 PM
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39. Well- written and heart rendering!
Welcome to DU! That's right- WE THE PEOPLE!!! We must organize a shadow government to get things done!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:48 PM
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41. My dear NavyVet, I welcome you here
with open arms. Hope is not easily silenced--and I sense a shred of hope from you.

God bless you and I'm very proud to have made your acquaintence.

:hug:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:52 PM
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42. Thanks NavyVet07! K and R
Welcome to DU!

I am a Navy Mom. My son got out just before bu$h got in! (Thankfully!)

Our thoughts are with you!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:52 PM
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43. Welcome to DU. K&R. Here is a great quote regarding Wal-
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 05:54 PM by rzemanfl
Mart from a few days ago: "a criminal organization gang-raping communities." This is from a newspaper article, quoting a concerned citizen.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:53 PM
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44. people need to stop seeing the government as "them"...
it's supposed to be "us".
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NavyVet07 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:54 PM
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45. It's supposed to Be
But currently isn't.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:55 PM
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46. Welcome!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 05:55 PM
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47. welcome home and welcome to DU, NavyVet07!
That was possibly the best stump speech I have heard in a long time. I am grateful to you for your service to this country and am grateful that you are so smart and open to what you have seen and how you have expressed your thoughts. You give me hope that there are those that will walk beside those of us that have been in the streets - that you will help to spread the truth to people - knowledge is a powerful thing - something that must be shared and handed out like candy - the more you know, the more you can tell - the more who hear, the more who listen - the sooner change will come.

Thanks again - you are needed by this country and DU is a great forum to find your voice and speak your truth.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:03 PM
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49. Welcome Home NavyVet07 and welcome to DU!
Thank you for your service

I'm sorry that you are partially disabled due to your fall.

And you will have lots of friends at DU who share your concerns about what is happening to this country.

:hug:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:12 PM
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50. Welcome to DU, NavyVet07! And
glad you returned fairly safe. I'm sorry things are so tough.

We've been fighting these bastards since before Iraq, nothing seems to take them down.

Glad you are here to lend another voice! :hug:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:23 PM
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51. Welcome home and welcome to DU.
Glad you`re here.

I don`t know of any other way to straighten out this awful mess we`re in but to band together for the common good. We need a concrete bottom-up strategy to combat the top-down bulllshit Washington is famous for.

Hope your parents stay healthy and hang on to their third generation farm.

~PEACE~
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:58 PM
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52. Thank you for your service, and what a great post! Welcome!
You will find many here who share your sentiments, and you are in good company.

Glad to have you. :hi:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:07 PM
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53. Great post for newbie - Redstone was right
Welcome to DU
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:11 PM
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54. Coals to Newcastle, but K&R.
And welcome to DU.
:hi:
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hoosier_lefty Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:13 PM
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55. Thank you,
for your service to our country and for sharing your situation. I wish
you and your parents the best and hope beyond hope that things get better.

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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:17 PM
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57. K&R This should be enshrined on a wall somewhere in D.C....
...where every Congressperson can see it.

Stellar comments from someone who was not here to take the Koolaid over the lasts few years!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:20 PM
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58. Hell yes, you share those sentiments
We are at a pivotal moment in our history. Every other time, the people have awoken and made the government do the right thing. The government does not do the right thing on it's own, no matter what the letters are after their names. We are hurtling into fascism and an economic depression. Bad combo if ever there were one. We have to stand up and stop it. I'm not going to be the leader, neither likely any of the other people here on DU, but we need to be ready when the moment comes.

It is beyond shameful that your government asked you to serve and then your country throws you away like yesterdays garbage. It's awful what they are doing to all of us but it's extra galling when it is done to the vets. The wars are wrong but you were not wrong to have chosen to serve your country, (you were used incorrectly, that is Commander AWOL's fault).
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:21 PM
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59. Thank you for your insight.
And welcome to DU.

K-n-R for truth.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:27 PM
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61. We the People ARE the government --
-- al least we are SUPPOSED to be.

The reason we can't trust the government is because the powerful few pull the strings.

NOTHING will solve the myriad problems in this country until We the People take back OUR government and make it serve OUR needs.

UNITED we are STRONG. Divided, we get exploited by predatory corporations and neglected when we are no longer of service to them.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:49 PM
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62. Thank you for speaking up....n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:53 PM
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63. Welcome to DU!
:hi:


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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:11 PM
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64. It certainly seems that the Navy's loss is our gain. Nice rant.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:34 PM
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65. Hey NavyVet07,
Great post and welcome to the DU.

Glad your dad was able to beat the sell outs and save your scenery.

I did four in the Corps during the first part of the eighties and all of it overseas like you, takes a while to digest all you missed.

See you around, I hope.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:39 PM
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66. Excellent first rant
Beats mine by a mile.

But then, yours covers military benefits, unemployment, environmental destruction, political accountability, corporate greed, drug abuse, health care, libertarianism and general human history.

All in a way that sums up the past 8 years and more.

Bravo!

You'll fit right in.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:54 PM
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67. Welcome to DU!
:hi: And that is one hell of a post. :thumbsup: I've been living here in the States, pretty much constantly exposed to news, and I still have trouble believing just how badly screwed up things have gotten. :( It's mind-boggling, really, and I can't even imagine what it must be like to come back from tours of duty overseas and get slapped in the face with some of the horrible things you've described. But that's one of the reasons I joined DU - to connect with fellow citizens who care about these issues, and hopefully to pull together and have some kind of an impact. :toast: Glad you're here!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:04 PM
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69. Welcome to DU. Thank you for your service.
It's our country, let's take it back.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:04 PM
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70. This is the most meaningful post I've read here in awhile
K&R

Thanks for your service and good luck finding employment.
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bagrman Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:20 PM
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72. Thank you for your concern and service. We might not always agree but we're always Americans.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:50 PM
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73. You've come to the right place!
Welcome home to DU!

:toast: :hi:
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2PeiMom Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:05 PM
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74. So eloquent, NavyVet. And yes, I share those sentiments.
Thank you for your service to our country. Somehow, some way, we will put this all back together again. If the spirit of America is still as strong as I hope it is. And if we have enough young people like you who care so much.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:42 PM
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77. You have a gift for writing, NavyVet07.
Just as Redstone recognized it, we all do. Normally I skim long posts. I read yours word for word.

"Finding a hair in a pool." Did you think that one up all by yourself? Great imagery, perfect allegory. Sure beats "finding a needle in a haystack."

Get busy writing. Tell your story to the world. :thumbsup:
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:49 PM
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78. As hard as things are for so many now,
quite a large percentage of the people have been awakened, with more seeing the writing on the wall every day. Many are both saddened and angry, as you sound, and as I am!

I think we have a big problem, however, in figuring out just what on earth we can DO about everything that's been going wrong right before our eyes.

Before I found DU a couple of years ago, I had concluded that we aren't going to find political solutions to what amount to cultural problems. People, when polled about it these days, say overwhelmingly that America is "headed in the wrong direction."

I happen to believe that the direction will be changed only when all of us work together creatively and urgently toward that end. I also feel it's critically important for us to refuse to accept the immoral, corrupt "leadership" we keep getting so matter who we vote for. It seems those in government have succeeded to a great extent in instilling in us something called "learned helplessness."

You are young and strong, and wise beyond your years; so we badly need your voice (along with your father's) to inform and encourage everyone around you. A culture is built from the ground up, from the "little people" upward, not the other way around as it has shifted to in these times.

I think the pervasive apathy among citizens in recent decades has allowed the corruption to stand and the greed to go unchallenged. I'm not saying it's easy to fight powerful interests, but I AM saying that we MUST put up that fight or else we're lost.

You are right not to trust our government -- I don't trust "it" either, and none of us should. That's probably the first big mistake we ever made.

I don't have all the answers by any means -- just offering my thoughts as you've offered yours. But I believe you're on the right track to coming up with some real solutions.

You'll notice there's a huge difference in how people feel toward veterans than how it was when the Vietnam vets came home, so I hope you'll take advantage of that natural "stump" you'll always have and persuade as many people as you can to get involved to save our country before it's too late. You definitely have the ability to speak powerfully to that end. I encourage you to keep it up, everywhere you go!

And thanks so much for your service, even if it sounds trite to say it. I can only imagine what you must have seen and learned, based on what a lot of my vet pals have also told me.


And welcome, of course, to DU.


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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:03 AM
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80. First off , Welcome home ,
I tried and failed to defend the Constitution while you were enlisted .

For the last 7 years I have educated myself and tried my best to keep
the home fires alive and Free.

It's been such an assultive and abusive time , I hope that
both our service has not been in vain .

welcome Underground , the other front line .
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:06 AM
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81. Oorah, squid, and welcome to DU
And thanks for giving us Marines a ride whenever we needed to fight somewhere.

(I kid.) seriously, thanks.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:10 AM
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82. Welcome to DU and we're glad your here.
:hi:

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:15 AM
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83. welcome and wow...
powerful words. Refreshing ...and yes, many of us here do share the exact same sentiments.

:)
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:37 AM
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86. welcome to our crisis
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 01:13 AM by hay rick
Appreciate a fresh set of eyes on what's going on in this great land. Some input on your various observations.

Logging. Clear cuts are obscene in appearance, but they may or may not be part of a sustainable forestry management regime. Regardless, they always give me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. If you're talking federal lands, you know that the Bush administration is strictly pro-industry without real concern for sustainability and other environmental concerns. In fairness, the industry has friends in both parties.

Wal Mart. Wal Mart tries to drown out their negative impact on small local businesses and area wages by changing the subject to savings from low prices for consumers. A whole lot of passive folks swallow the line and never think about it again. So easy if you didn't lose YOUR job or business. The difficult question: as a group, do people in the area lose more from reduced incomes or gain more from reduced prices? I tend to assume the former but I don't think either case can be proved. Regardless of the answer to that question, I think it's obvious that the replacement of local jobs by fewer and lower-paying Wal Mart jobs solidifies and expands the low end no-future segment of the labor market. Hello Meth?

Health care. One thing every American should know about our health care system: we spend on average TWICE as much on health care as other modern industrialized nations. We get NOTHING (or, compared to some countries, less than nothing) for that premium. Google per capita health care costs. This disgrace should be at or near the top of the list of issues for this Presidential contest. The first step in fixing our health care system is honest recognition of the failure. The biggest impediment to taking this first baby step is the formidable set of entrenched interests supporting the status quo: insurance companies (wasting $0.20 of your health care dollar right off the top), pharmaceutical companies, and the AMA for starters.

Finally, let me quote you here, because I think it's the most important part of your post:
"We as Americans need to be in a binding force, and we need to change ourselves from the inside out and not rely on the government anymore. I hate to say it, but I've seen things that my government did that will cause me to never trust them anymore. In any aspect, at that. We the people are the mechanism that will eventually turn this country around, and if we do not band together I am suggesting that we will perish in the fashion that all other empires have."

I agree that we the people need to change. I think we have swallowed a bogus value system. I don't literally agree that we can't rely on the government anymore. Rather, we need to change the way that government functions. We have allowed our government to become a captive of special interests. We need to recapture government by and FOR the people. There's a lot of work for truly patriotic Americans to be doing.






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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:54 AM
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87. Welcome to DU NavyVet07 :-)
We as Americans need to be in a binding force, and we need to change ourselves from the inside out and not rely on the government anymore. I hate to say it, but I've seen things that my government did that will cause me to never trust them anymore. In any aspect, at that. We the people are the mechanism that will eventually turn this country around, and if we do not band together I am suggesting that we will perish in the fashion that all other empires have.


My husband, a Vietnam Vet feels the same way, after Vietnam, he did not trust the government. The death numbers related to the war were filtered. What they had been told as a reason for going into the war was untrue. He now has a "gift" and that is the ability to filter out what is going on, in other words he can smell a rat easily when it comes to things like the Iraq war. I am fortunate to be married to him, and pursue finding out what the truth is, in all situations.

Anyway, welcome to DU, I find alot of information here and information that leads me to other sites of interest. Warning the GPD forum is a little crazy right now, I am sure it will settle down when we get our Democratic Nominee. Enjoy! :)
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:33 AM
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88. "Do I share these sentiments with anyone."
Yes.

I pray you find work soon.

Thank you for finding your voice.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:13 AM
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89. Welcome!
:kick:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:52 AM
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90. Welcome from a family of fellow Navy vets!
:patriot:
:hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:56 AM
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91. A thunderclap of a post.
Welcome, sir, and thank you for your service.

P.S. You're gonna get some static over that sig line. Beware of prop wash...

;)

:toast:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:15 AM
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92. i do share your feelings
and you express them exceedingly well. peace.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:38 AM
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93. Welcome to DU NavyVet07! nt
:thumbsup:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:22 AM
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94. SUCKERS!
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:16 PM
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106. ?
Care to elaborate?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:04 PM
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120. Check his sig line first.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:42 AM
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140. Oh. I get it now.
Good point.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:50 AM
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142. ...
:evilgrin:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:28 AM
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95. Weclome to DU! Fantastic post. You have come home a stranger to an even stranger
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 10:34 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
land. A rude awakening and yet you are awake and that is paramount!

:hi:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:04 PM
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132. NOT. Here's the agenda...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:39 AM
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139. I found that out last night, much to my dismay. I've posted a few times on that thread.
Thanks for the heads up though! :hi:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:28 AM
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96. YOU Are Saying What So Many Of Us Have Been Saying For MUCH TOO LONG!!
What you are talking about is what JOHN EDWARDS was talking about over and over! Yes, my plug for Edwards seems a little over the top since he's NOT HERE anymore, BUT he "tried" to get THIS message out to the people!!

I'm so sorry you are experiencing the difficulties you are, but I'm GLAD that "some" are beginning to open their EYES to how this country has been RAPED by The Powers That Be!

It's good that you still have HOPE, that's a word I don't even use anymore! My wish is that SOME DAY I will join you with my heart filled with HOPE again! It's going to take some time... still!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:37 AM
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97. And in the scrounging for insurance premiums, has anyone had to use it? Good luck with dat!
DENY DENY DENY! CLAIM DENIED! Major portion of claim DENIED!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:09 AM
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99. Well done, Vet. Thank you.
btw, your parents are getting a DEAL on that insurance. Not kidding.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:31 AM
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101. You share 'em with me NavyVet
Thank you for your service to our once-great country. I only wish you could have come home to find it still was.

The plutocracy has taken it over and destroyed it and will continue to - IF we let them.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:51 AM
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105. Hey There... Good To See You're Still Advertising With John Edwards!! And
NavyVet, from this one time Army BRAT.... WELCOME to DU, and I too wish it was a better homecoming!!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:39 AM
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103. A heartfelt welcome to you, NavyVet07
Yes, your sentiments are shared here.
:hi:
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:40 AM
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104. We are at a turning point in history...
...or in herstory, depending upon your perspective. And, it's going to be people like you, NavyVet07, who ultimately decide which turn we take.

I believe that for the past 30 years or so, the conservative agenda has been to destroy the functions of government and privatize everything. They want to be able to profit from every single human activity, down to the very last breath that we take. There is profit to be squeezed out of every tree, every stone, every step you take or don't take. They want those profits, and they believe on the one hand that government is keeping them away from those profits, while stealing our tax dollars with the other hand.

Add to the mix the notion that there are too many people on the planet. Sorry, but it's true and we all know it. We as a species are stripping the land and emptying the seas, causing mass extinctions and global warming. There are too many of us and we are causing those problems so that we can have more, more, more cheap Chinese made crap that we don't need, and so that every penny of profit can be squeezed out of us.

We are not doing anything about the fact that there are too many of us on the planet, and that's where disaster capitalism comes in. The profit-seekers have found a way to kill two birds with one stone! Squeeze their profits out of us while we live our lives, while killing as many of us off as possible. It would be a brilliant system if it weren't so clearly evil and disgusting.

So this begs the question - what do we do about this? How do we stop polluting ourselves and killing ourselves off for the profit of the 2 or 3 percent of the humans on the planet who own most of everything?

That's where you come in, my new NavyVet friend! May I quote you from your words above?



"We as Americans need to be in a binding force, and we need to change ourselves from the inside out and not rely on the government anymore."

I could not agree more!

"We the people are the mechanism that will eventually turn this country around, and if we do not band together I am suggesting that we will perish in the fashion that all other empires have."

This empire is in its death throes.

"...this mountain might just be another grain of sand in our history, but we are facing SERIOUS issues and it seems people just shrug them off as a passive threat."



Americans are largely ignorant of the world and of history, herstory and ourstory. And the powers that be do everything they can to keep us that way. It's to their benefit to do so, because if we all got together and decided to "overthrow" the 2 or 3 percent of the people on the planet who own most of everything, they would be toast and they know it!

Of course, if we banded together to "overthrow" the existing order, it would be just as bad for us as it would be for them. Just as many, if not more of us would suffer as are suffering now. Therein lies the rub! And that's where you and I and all of the rest of us need to get to work. We need to design an alternate system to replace the existing order that works within the existing order with the goal of changing it to a new order. I've got some thoughts on the subject, and I call it "Commonizm." You might have some thoughts on the matter that you call "NavyVet07izm." As many of us as possible need to think, talk, and act upon our ideas for how to get out of this mess as possible. Out of that will come something. I don't know what that something will be, but if we try in a positive manner, we just may pull it off. I don't like to think about the alternative.

Welcome to DU, NavyVet07, may your stay here be a productive one!

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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:24 PM
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107. welcome to d u.
That is an all-too-believable story.. you are absolutely right. We can all wait for them to help us as long as we want, but it's on us to do something about all the nonsense that is going on at this point. This is an empire like any other as you say.

Wow. Welcome indeed
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:33 PM
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108. Thank you for your service and welcome to DU
:toast: Glad to have you. :hi:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:06 PM
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109. Yeah, it really is that bad and I'd say even worse. We need the military on
our side -- that is, the side of We the People and the Constitution.

Do we have that?
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:17 PM
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110. Well if you are with out a job and can think like you do then look at the Congress!
Does your district have a progressive voice? Or is it one of the Lying Republicons or a Bush Democrat?
Maybe you can lend your voice to a campaign to get better leadership in DC It is probly to late for you to run but look up those running at http://ivaw.org/index.php and also look at the resources posted there. Best of luck Sailor!










Ich bin eine Colbertler
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:18 PM
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111. What is wrong with you people?

Seriously, get a clue.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:28 PM
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112. no kidding.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:31 PM
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114. Trust me, I read most of it-
Until I threw up a little in my mouth. You can see my same response there.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:35 PM
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117. My B.S. meter got quite a jolt too.
:puke:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:11 PM
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121. Oh, fuck. I guess it WAS too good to be true.
Redstone
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:08 PM
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123. Masterful bait and switch, eh?
I welcomed him aboard, but I didn't invite him to the helm. Seems he jumped up there anyway and tried to turn the good ship DU hard starboard. I think the DU shore patrol might have him now.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:29 PM
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113. Welcome
Welcome. Wonderful post. I sometimes think every American should be required to spend a year abroad, to gain some perspective and shake them out of their complacency.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:54 PM
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115. Yes we need to bind together BUT it's our government and we're taking
it back in November! So we should be getting some federal protection from greedy corporations that are eating us alive. I suggest you take a look at the banking crisis. The worst is yet to come.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:23 PM
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116. So far I have given your post several minutes of my nervous system.
My nervous system is about shot and I'm tired of reading it in a thoughtful manner.

Here is what I come up with.

You went to sea and came back only to lose your job, find out that someone cut down lots of
trees in your state, people are hooked on drugs, your representatives blow you off, Wal Mart
is the only gig in town and your parents pay a fortune for health insurance.

Lets start with the trees. Did you know that the uncontrolled logging is a Bush administration
policy? Did you know that when you vote republican they rape the environment so that big business
can get richer and we can all get screwed?

Did you know that so many of our jobs have been sent overseas because it is a republican policy
that corporations be able to make obscene profits at the worker's expense?

Did you know that health insurance costs will not come down under a republican administration?
It will be a herculean task to get it changed by either President Clinton or Obama, but at least
they will give it a try.

You say you will never trust the government again. Good. That means you are starting to
grow up. I don't trust them either.


Can I suggest a starting point for your dilemma? VOTE DEMOCRATIC. Get involved. Get active
in a campaign that is trying to reverse the last seven years of this republican nightmare.




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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:40 PM
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118. Welcome to DU - you are not alone in wondering what happened to our country...
:hi:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:54 PM
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119. Welcome To Du, NavyVet07 !!!
:patriot::bounce::patriot:

Glad ta have ya aboard!!!

:hi:
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:13 PM
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122. Thank God that you are able to see so clearly. People around me
at work, seem to be brainwashed by Rush Limpball and faux snooz. Around here, all they think about is the big taxes they would have to pay, if we got our gov't up off the floor. Welcome and keep posting. Best of luck to you and your family.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:30 PM
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124. I agree with the poster above...we need people like you in
the political arena....and a heartfelt welcome. kr
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:46 PM
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125. Before saluting the cock waving in the breeze
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:02 PM
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137. Thanks for the enlightenment....I take back my first comment....in spades.
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 07:17 PM by ooglymoogly
you and bluedaug have it. This poster is sooo nailed. All of us need to take a look at this posters other posts before rec'ing this seemingly innocuous post.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:55 PM
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126. welcome!
:hi:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:47 PM
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127. This post made me think of Graham Greene's book, The Quiet American,
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 05:48 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
which I have just started re-reading. It's so long since I read it, I'd forgotten all but the most general theme.

The Quiet American is a young man, sent to Vietnam with some kind of Peace Corps or Red Cross type "front" during the French war with the Vietnamese, basically as a spy. The son of a professor, he was a throughly innocent and decent young man, ostensibly much more so than the seemingly cynical narrator.

However, as I understand it, Greene's theme is that innocent young Americans were being sent all over the globe, inspired by the most innocent patriotism, believing that they were spreading democracy and decency to the benighted peoples at the countries to which they were assigned by a most benign and enlightened State Department and CIA - when the reality was that, as General Smedley Butler intimated, it was really to fill the coffers of the war profiteers and to preserve and augment the wealth of their Mammon-worshipping CEO colleagues of the louche world of Big Business.

Their innocent vulnerability to the propaganda of robber-baron capitalism and imperialism, which has been so fundamental to the very fabric of daily life in the US, meant that they unwittingly leant themselves to the murderous purposes of their paymasters. Pyle the innocent young anti-hero, was himself, apparently, haplessly responsible for some fifty people's deaths, according to a Vietnmanese official - I think, a policeman. I haven't got into the book again far enough to find out who or why or how.

What distinguishes Greene from most writers is that he tries to convey the fact that life - indeed the Christian life, since we are a church of sinners - isn't as black and white with regard to virtue as fundamentalist Christians, for example, would have it. The pure, unadulterated evil of our MSM in relation to their political reporting, whereby they refuse to even acknowledge the existence of the poor, never mind any political wishes on their part, who are usually if not indeed always the majority in any country (with the exception of hunter-gathers), so that they talk about the liberation of China, Cuba, etc, when they mean the restoration of the country to capitalist exploitation, no matter how overtly criminal, exploitative and cruel. His private life had been a mess in his younger days, and he lived with the final love of hs life in adultery for some forty years.

I know many of you will know this, but I want to forfend against the moralising of the not so Quiet Americans on here concerning Greene's private life - which was one, nevertheless of tremendous goodness and kindness. I'm not sure but I think some South American countries may still receive royalties from one or other of his books. It was the type of thing he would do; as well as seeking the release of political prisoners of left and right. He loved Russia and the Russians but refused to allow his books to be sold there while people he knew or had heard of were being held as political prisoners. Like Pope John Paul II, he was also a valued friend of Fidel, and also of the general who was Noriega's predecessor in Panama. He also loved Haiti and had friends among Papa Doc's opponents.

I was thinking the other day that Americans need to get rid of that "My President", with its quasi religious veneration of the office of a politician, who, particularly since Nixon, has commonly has been a puppet of some very, very bad men. Also, before saying, "I want to serve my country", just as a precaution, to read General Smedley Butler's pamphlet, "I was a Racketeer for Big Business", easily googled on the Net.



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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:53 PM
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128. DID ANYONE HERE REALLY READ THIS LOAD OF CRAP?
For crying-out-loud people, wake up.

Didn't this tip you off?

"We as Americans need to be in a binding force, and we need to change ourselves from the inside out and not rely on the government anymore."

Can we all stop pandering to this asshat now? Please?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:58 PM
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129. Ami Dummheit...
Sie lesen nicht durch.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. Oh, I know. What a fraud and shame on the rubes buying this heaping pile of bollocks!
:crazy:

BTW, could this be Sneaky Sailor's zombie?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:33 PM
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133. I was thinking someone's much more alive sockpuppet.
Eh, bunch of militarist, nationalist, mom and apple pie, jingoistic crap, regardless of the source.

I do wonder how many saw the sig line originally and gave him a pass because they happened to feel that particular way as well.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:01 PM
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131. Then quit kickin his thread!...
Just messing with ya man.. I almost posted a response to his "family values" thread till I realized it would kick it back to the top. The sig alone should have exposed this fraud. :toast:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:35 PM
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134. Naw, it's kinda fun to watch the cockroaches scurry into hiding when
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 06:35 PM by Cerridwen
exposed to light.

:evilgrin:

I do wonder if the cockroach is one of "our own" or is just passing through. Yep, I see "conspiracies" everywhere. :tinfoilhat:

LOL

:hi:

edit to fix smiley
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:45 PM
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135. here here navy vet
very well said. i share your sentiments. our empire is already imploding. change only comes from the bottom up. we at the bottom have to get so pissed off that we force a change. we are getting there, but, very slowly. the revolution will not be televised.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:46 PM
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136. "our empire"? Er, don't you mean our *republic*? n/t
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:08 AM
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138. i humbly accept your correction.
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