Christian Reicht

[margotb822]

I posted this earlier, but I would hope than anyone who didn't see it then see it now. I happened across a vehicle the other day and took some pictures. I put the pictures up on my blog, but I don't know how to put them up here (besides, they might be kind of controversial-in a totally political way). I value freedom of speech. But, the owner of this vehicle obviously has a different view of the first amendment. So, click the link to view them at my website.

Jesus take the wheel?

[southlandshari]

1. The owner of that vehicle obviously has a different view

of reality in general.

:P

Strikes me as incredibly offensive but essentially harmless stupidity.

[margotb822]

2. Except

that his view is in public. Obviously sin did not cause 9/11. Has he gone too far in freedom of speech without respecting freedom of religion?

[southlandshari]

6. Individuals have no obligation to respect freedom of religion OR speech

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects our rights to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. There is no law dictating that we have to respect each others beliefs at all.

Individual people can be jerks to us about anything we say or believe.

That is their First Amendment right, as well.

[margotb822]

18. Isn't that what makes this ironic?

Freedom for him, but the strict laws of the Bible for everyone else? I don't get it...

[Quantess]

20. I don't get what you are saying because you make no sense.

Personally, I am agnostic.
Now, please explain.

[margotb822]

21. Extreme views

I'm talking about the fact that someone who obviously feels strongly against the separation of church and state being able to act under freedom of speech, both covered under the 1st amendment. It is ironic that he invokes his right personally while attempting to deny it to all others. What about that doesn't make sense?

[Quantess]

24. Let's pretend I am mentally retarded and you are explaining it to me.

Because your post still makes no sense to me.

[margotb822]

26. Its not my fault you can't think

Just look at the pictures. Read what is under them. Decide for yourself whether this person is being extreme or is acting in within normal bounds. That is all I want.


Here is a definition of irony:

i·ro·ny1 Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2. Literature.
a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3. Socratic irony.
4. dramatic irony.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6. the incongruity of this.
7. an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8. an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

So, it is ironic that a person exploit freedom of speech in order to suppress freedom of religion, which stem from the same amendment. Does this make sense????

[Quantess]

27. Thanks. Yes, I do actually understand this, because it was "lifted" from another site.

However, I still don't understand your point, because I'm a stupid liberal. Let me get this straight: Freedom of speech and freedom of religion stem from from the same amendment. Yes, but remember the division of Church and State.

The USA was actually NOT founded on religious beliefs.

[Name removed]

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[southlandshari]

22. I don't understand your point

He is exercising his freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

He is certainly suggesting that yours be curtailed. On that I will agree.

But he's just some weirdo.

Don't let him or others who spout bullshit define who you are or how you feel.

There are very real situations in which the rights of atheists are threatened. Those are the fights worth fighting.

Save your energy for those. You won't be alone in those battles if you do.

[margotb822]

23. Ok,

that makes it ironic. That is my point. Nothing complex.

[southlandshari]

25. Well, of course it's ironic

I never said it wasn't.

:shrug:

[JerseygirlCT]

33. That's where your rights come into play

He can advocate for biblical law all he wants; he can't actually have it. His right to be a jerk stops at your nose, IOW.

[JerseygirlCT]

32. Exactly. Thank you for pointing that out

I don't like people who are intolerant of others' beliefs (assuming those beliefs don't advocate harming others), but it's certainly their right to be jerks, lol.

[NMMNG]

3. Selective Bible application--against others

They want a ban against same-sex marriage because it will "protect traditional marriage". Yet they don't demand a ban against divorce (banned numerous times in the Bible including by Jesus) or adultery ( forbidden by the 7th Commandment), both of which actually ruin "traditional marriage".

They spend exorbitant time, money and effort to rail against LGBT people based on the six "clobber verses" in the Bible. Think how much good that time/money/effort could do if they used it to help the poor (the Bible has more than 100 verses that direct others to help the poor).

They completely ignore verses such as "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", "Judge not lest ye be judged", "Remove the beam in your own eye before you attend to the speck in your neighbors", "Mind your own business, lead a quiet life and work with your hands", etc.


In other words, they choose to do whatever the heck they want and call it righteous. They use the Bible and their religion as a weapon, with the full blessing of the government and much of American society. It's vile and inexcusable.

[margotb822]

4. Completely agree

Freedom means nothing to these people. Understanding is a fantasy. This person holds no respect for others, yet we are expected to respect him. This country cannot continue on such a course!

[NMMNG]

9. *Their * freedom is paramount

Everybody else's freedom is to be restricted.

[southlandshari]

7. I agree with you completely - it IS vile and inexcusable

It just isn't unconstitutional.

You know I'm on your side on this.

:hug:

[NMMNG]

8. What gets my goat (among other things)

is the way they cling tightly to the protections they have against discrimination and hate-crimes, yet fight tooth and nail against us getting the same protections because it would violate their "right" to discriminate against us in the name of their "deeply held religious beliefs". And oh the logical contortions they go through to defend that. :banghead:

[southlandshari]

10. I'm with you 100%

After all....I'm one of them.

I do what I can to lead from within the circles in which I live.

And I am beyond proud to call you my friend.

:)

[NMMNG]

14. Right back at ya.

:bounce:

[Quantess]

5. The owner of those vehicles is really cool!

He is going against the politicaly correct beliefs.

[southlandshari]

12. ...

nevermind

[Quantess]

16. Apparently you don't know irony

:popcorn:

[southlandshari]

19. I understand irony

Enough said.

[NMMNG]

15. Are those "aborted fetus" vehicles also really cool?

:popcorn:

[Quantess]

17. ................

like that OP knows irony. :popcorn:

Do a name search, just for fun.

[margotb822]

11. I say we call that number

And give them our minds on the phone. I bet they'll never expect it!

[Smith_3]

13. Is that stuff from the Phelps?

Looks like Westborough Baptist Church. I wonder...

[xchrom]

29. i'd have that vehicle towed to the wreckers for breaking the laws of good taste.

[rasputin1952]

30. Religion has been used to subjugate others since it's inception

the point these people are trying to make is that, "if you don't see things as I see them, you are wrong."

What is truly appalling is that people like this have a very skewed ideology that is based on hate, not on anything the Bible really speaks of, (if one reads the book, one realizes that hypocrisy is mentioned far more often as a "sin" than anything else, something that seems to allude them at every turn.)

But I digress; they are showing themselves to be no more than totalitarians bent on the notion that they are the only ones with an answer to a perceived problem. To them, there is no love, this life a barren wasteland, no knowledge, no searching for answers, no "spiritual" aspect to life...to them, all that exists is hatred and "blame". They fail to realize that they are doing precisely what they told not to do, they are judging others, (therefore, according to the book, they shall be judged accordingly.)

None of the major religions currently being practiced have hatred and ignorance as their driving points. These are the aspects of humanity shoved down the throats of those who are willing to be led by "leaders" that have yet to show any values of the religions they claim to hold so dear.

Some days, I wish that those who would listen to these people would just wake up and read the book themselves, with an open and free mind, they might then realize that this isn't a religion that should be used to persecute others...it is, at it's base level, guidance to understanding and accepting people for who they are, a guide to understanding, compassion, empathy, goodwill, forgiveness and equality...precisely all of the things these people have stomped on.

[southlandshari]

34. Agreed

Which is why people of faith need to speak up and act out to counter such subjugation.

I agree with every word you've posted.

Even if I didn't, it would still be wonderful to see you.

:hug:

[rasputin1952]

35. Always a pleasure to see you ...

:loveya:

[sarcasmo]

31. It's to bad taggers couldn't take care of that nightmare.