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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:14 PM
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Abraham Lincoln's Birthday Speech To America: Lincoln Devastates the Cons and Leads the Way!
Abraham Lincoln, on his “do-gooder” religion:

When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion.


Abraham Lincoln, on the importance of transparency in government:

What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself.


Abraham Lincoln, on the proper relation of God and humans:

We trust, sir, that God is on our side. It is more important to know that we are on God's side.


Abraham Lincoln, reminding us that Rome was not built in a day, nor the business of America finished by the adoption of the Constitution:

"I leave you, hoping that the lamp of liberty will burn in your bosoms until there shall no longer be a doubt that all men are created free and equal."


Abraham Lincoln, proposing a common sense test for true religion:

I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.


Abraham Lincoln, on the proper attitude regarding compromise of basic principles:

Important principles may and must be inflexible.


the question of extending the slavery under the national auspices, --I am inflexible. I am for no compromise which assists or permits the extension of the institution on soil owned by the nation


The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.


Abraham Lincoln, on the nature of conservatism:

What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?


Abraham Lincoln, on the primary source of his political ideas:

I have never had a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence.


Abraham Lincoln, explaining that the genius of the Declaration of Independence was not something to be accomplished in a single generation:

It was not the mere matter of separation of the colonies from the motherland; but something in the Declaration giving liberty, not alone to the people of this country, but hope to the world for all future time. It was that which gave promise that in due time the weights should be lifted from the shoulders of all men, and that all should have an equal chance. This is the sentiment embodied in that Declaration of Independence.


Abraham Lincoln, on the hope of democracy:

Why should there not be a patient confidence in the ultimate justice of the people? Is there any better or equal hope in the world?


Abraham Lincoln, on whether elections should be suspended in time of war or national emergency (like the Civil War):

We can not have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election, it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us.


Abraham Lincoln, applying the Golden Rule to slavery just as we might apply it to torture in our day:

I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should first be those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.


Abraham Lincoln, on idealism and pragmatism concerning American values:

We, even we here, hold the power and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give and what we preserve. We shall nobly save or meanly lose the last, best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which if followed the world will forever applaud and God must forever bless.


Abraham Lincoln, on what corrupts human beings, including Americans:

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.”


Abraham Lincoln, on where the gravest threats to America shall come from:

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and its finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time or die by suicide.


Abraham Lincoln, on who it inspires him to read:

I never tire of reading Paine.


Abraham Lincoln, in his First Inaugural Address:

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember, or overthrow it.


Abraham Lincoln, on why the American Revolution was a real revolution, replacing power of, by, and for the people in place of the “divine right” of kings to rule:

Our Declaration of Independence has been copied by emerging nations around the globe, its themes adopted in places many of us have never heard of. Here is this land, for the first time, it was decided that man is born with certain God-given rights. We the people declared that government is created by the people for their own convenience. Government has no power except those voluntarily granted it by the people. There have been revolutions before and since ours, revolutions that simply exchanged one set of rulers for another. Ours was a philosophical revolution that changed the very concept of government.


Abraham Lincoln, on humanity and virtue:

It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.


Abraham Lincoln, on the essence of public service as President:

I am, as you know, only the servant of the People.


Abraham Lincoln, on the American can-do attitude:

Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then we shall find the way.


The Abraham Lincoln Address that needs no introduction:

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


Happy Birthday, February 12, Abraham Lincoln. Let’s take a Russian who had no cause nor need to reach across oceans to give praise, and let Leo Tolstoy have the final remark on Lincoln:

The greatness of Napoleon, Caesar or Washington is only moonlight by the sun of Abraham Lincoln. His example is universal and will last thousands of years. … He was bigger than his country, bigger than all Presidents put together… and as a great character he will live as long as the world lives. –Leo Tolstoy


Oh what the heck, you can’t give Lincoln a heart so give me one instead!! ;)
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:33 PM
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1. Nancy Pelosi and many of her colleagues need to hear this one:
"The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me."

Great post about a great man.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:10 PM
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2. Thank you hardhead, coming from you that seems especially high praise for Lincoln! :) nt
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:27 PM
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10. Coming from me?
lol, I'm afraid to ask what that means. I have the deepest admiration for Lincoln. Even though my ancestors were rebs, I'm a staunch Union man.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:03 PM
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3. K&R for Lincoln and Land Shark, in that order! nt
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:07 PM
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4. Just an anecdote ... about Lincoln
When he ran for his second term (after the primary was decided), he ran under the "Union Party" to unite pro-War Democrats and Republicans, with Democrat Andrew Johnson as the VP candidate.

From wiki-pedia:
"Nevertheless, Republicans across the country feared that Lincoln would be defeated. Acknowledging this fear, Lincoln wrote and signed a pledge that, if he should lose the election, he would nonetheless defeat the Confederacy by an all-out military effort before turning over the White House:

"This morning, as for some days past, it seems exceedingly probable that this Administration will not be re-elected. Then it will be my duty to so co-operate with the President elect, as to save the Union between the election and the inauguration; as he will have secured his election on such ground that he cannot possibly save it afterwards."

Lincoln did not show the pledge to his cabinet, but asked them to sign the sealed envelope.

While the Democratic platform followed the Peace wing of the party and called the war a "failure," their candidate, General George B. McClellan, supported the war and repudiated the platform."

Pre-20th century politics make today's politics seem tame, if not stagnant, by comparison. I'm thinking that might not be such a good thing.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:19 PM
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5. Abraham Lincoln is why I am a Democrat.
We believe the same thing:

"I leave you, hoping that the lamp of liberty will burn in your bosoms until there shall no longer be a doubt that all men are created free and equal." -- Abraham Lincoln

Thank you for another outstanding post, Land Shark!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:25 PM
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6. Beautiful. And in honor of Lincoln
and Land Shark and those who have fought for free and fair elections, I take the liberty of amending one of the above quotes thusly:

We can not have free government without honest elections; and if any influence were to corrupt a national election, it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us.

:toast:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:39 PM
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7. Which leads one to wonder
are the telecoms in charge of our elections? The corporate selected Obama, starts soaring, our corporate selected government wants Clinton to win the nomination, the Telecoms show our supposed leaders that they can let Obama win if they choose, give us immunity and we will put Clinton back in lead.

Maybe its reach out and touch "the vote count machines with wireless"

Give us immunity or we will give you Obama :tinfoilhat:

I don't have anything against Obama/Clinton accept that they and all the other corporate candidates should be arrested for pulling off another great illusion on the American people.

Can't explain why this thread made me think of this, but it did...

K&R
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:16 AM
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8. Whatever it takes to make ya think, kster! :)
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:26 PM
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9. kick for more exposure nt
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:28 PM
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11. A great compilation, Paul. This Brit has always loved the extraordinary insights of
such luminous figures in US history as Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain and Ralph Waldo Emerson. But your country is very rich in so many non-financial ways - which kind of compensate for your historic opulence in more recent decades!

Oddly enough, until I read Tolstoy's endorsement of Lincoln, I'd been thinking to myself, "What is it with this business about so-and-so endorsing so-and-so!" But with Leo on the side of the endorsers, I've got to say that as far as I'm concerned all bets are off now.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:05 PM
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12. Indeed I myself was surprised by the strength of Tolstoy's endorsement! nt
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