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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:08 PM
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During the Vietnam War, the USA Supported Gen Nguyen Cao Ky who IDOLIZED Adolf Hitler.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was on to the War Party.
Here's the kind of guy our government supported in 1967:

Vice President Nguyen Cao Ky of South Vietnam says Hitler is his hero (1970)

From the Weekly People,
September 26, 1970 - Volume LXXX, No. 26


Vice President Nguyen Cao Ky of South Vietnam, a member of the military dictatorship in power, was scheduled to be the major speaker at a pro-war rally in Washington, D.C., planned by the Rev. Dr. Carl McIntire, a fundamentalist preacher, expelled from the Presbyterian Church, who equates God and capitalism.

For the record, the July 13, 1965, New York Post printed part of an interview that Mr. Ky had given the London Sunday Mirror. The paper quoted him:

"People ask me who my heroes are. have only one -- Hitler. I admire Hitler because he has pulled his country together when it was in a terrible state in the early thirties. But the situation here is so desperate now that one man would not be enough. We need four or five Hitlers in Vietnam."

The statement embarrassed U.S. capitalism in its endeavors to palm off the South Vietnamese government as a defender of freedom. Ky's acceptance of Dr. McIntire's war-mongering invitation, coupled with the minister's reactionary political and political-religious reputation, embarrassed U.S. capitalism again. As of Sept. 8, Vice President Ky was "reconsidering" his plan to speak for Dr. McIntire.


Illustration by Walter Steinhilber

Dr. King said the following on April 4, 1967. One year later, to the day, he was assassinated.

Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam

Martin Luther King Jr.
Sermon at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967

The sermon which I am preaching this morning in a sense is not the usual kind of sermon, but it is a sermon and an important subject, nevertheless, because the issue that I will be discussing today is one of the most controversial issues confronting our nation. I'm using as a subject from which to preach, "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam."

Now, let me make it clear in the beginning, that I see this war as an unjust, evil, and futile war. I preach to you today on the war in Vietnam because my conscience leaves me with no other choice. The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism. He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery. Freedom is still the bonus we receive for knowing the truth. "Ye shall know the truth," says Jesus, "and the truth shall set you free." Now, I've chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence is betrayal.


Now, let me tell you the truth about it. They must see Americans as strange liberators. Do you realize that the Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1945 after a combined French and Japanese occupation. And incidentally, this was before the Communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. And this is a little-known fact, and these people declared themselves independent in 1945. They quoted our Declaration of Independence in their document of freedom, and yet our government refused to recognize them. President Truman said they were not ready for independence. So we fell victim as a nation at that time of the same deadly arrogance that has poisoned the international situation for all of these years. France then set out to reconquer its former colony. And they fought eight long, hard, brutal years trying to re-conquer Vietnam. You know who helped France? It was the United States of America. It came to the point that we were meeting more than eighty percent of the war costs. And even when France started despairing of its reckless action, we did not. And in 1954, a conference was called at Geneva, and an agreement was reached, because France had been defeated at Dien Bien Phu. But even after that, and after the Geneva Accord, we did not stop. We must face the sad fact that our government sought, in a real sense, to sabotage the Geneva Accord. Well, after the French were defeated, it looked as if independence and land reform would come through the Geneva agreement. But instead the United States came and started supporting a man named Diem who turned out to be one of the most ruthless dictators in the history of the world. He set out to silence all opposition. People were brutally murdered because they raised their voices against the brutal policies of Diem. And the peasants watched and cringed as Diem ruthlessly rooted out all opposition. The peasants watched as all this was presided over by United States influence and by increasing numbers of United States troops who came to help quell the insurgency that Diem's methods had aroused. When Diem was overthrown, they may have been happy, but the long line of military dictatorships seemed to offer no real change, especially in terms of their need for land and peace. And who are we supporting in Vietnam today? It's a man by the name of general Ky (Air Vice Marshal Nguyen Cao Ky) who fought with the French against his own people, and who said on one occasion that the greatest hero of his life is Hitler. This is who we are supporting in Vietnam today. Oh, our government and the press generally won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell you this morning. The truth must be told.

The only change came from America as we increased our troop commitments in support of governments which were singularly corrupt, inept, and without popular support and all the while the people read our leaflets and received regular promises of peace and democracy and land reform. Now they languish under our bombs and consider us, not their fellow Vietnamese, the real enemy. They move sadly and apathetically as we herd them off the land of their fathers into concentration camps, where minimal social needs are rarely met. They know they must move or be destroyed by our bombs. So they go, primarily women, and children and the aged. They watch as we poison their water, as we kill a million acres of their crops. They must weep as the bulldozers roar through their areas preparing to destroy the precious trees. They wander into the towns and see thousands of thousands of the children, homeless, without clothes, running in packs on the streets like animals. They see the children degraded by our soldiers as they beg for food. They see the children selling their sisters to our soldiers, soliciting for their mothers. We have destroyed their two most cherished institutions: the family and the village. We have destroyed their land and their crops. We have cooperated in the crushing of the nation's only noncommunist revolutionary political force, the United Buddhist Church. This is a role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolutions impossible but refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that comes from the immense profits of overseas investments. I'm convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered.

A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be changed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth with righteous indignation. It will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

Oh, my friends, if there is any one thing that we must see today is that these are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wounds of a frail world, new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light. They are saying, unconsciously, as we say in one of our freedom songs, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around!" It is a sad fact that because of comfort, complacency, a morbid fear of communism, our proneness to adjust to injustice, the Western nations that initiated so much of the revolutionary spirit of the modern world have now become the arch anti-revolutionaries. This has driven many to feel that only Marxism has a revolutionary spirit. Therefore, communism is a judgment against our failure to make democracy real and follow through on the revolutions that we initiated. Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism. With this powerful commitment we shall boldly challenge the status quo, we shall boldly challenge unjust mores, and thereby speed up the day when "every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low, and the rough places shall be made plain, and the crooked places straight. And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together."


A Real Audio file hosted here.

Today, America still finds itself in the thrall of the War Party.
We the People want out of Iraq.
The War Party says, "No."

What gives?
Where's the outrage, America?
Doesn't anyone care there's a Monster on the loose?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:14 PM
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1. and demonized ho chi minh, whose HERO was thomas jefferson
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:22 PM
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3. It's not irony. It's fascism.
Goerring, quoting from memory, said "Fascism should be called illiberalism as it is the opposite of liberalism." Can't get much clearer than that.

Guess who helped Hitler's rise to power? Same class of people and many of the same individuals who helped bring us war in Vietnam.

Know your BFEE: Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:16 PM
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2. Ahem. Didn't we have a Democratic President when Ky took over?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:26 PM
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4. Same guy who said we should send in the Marines after the Gulf of Tonkin
John Newman followed the missing paper trail and found Kennedy wanted to get us out of Vietnam and Johnson wanted us in. Newman also found that CIA was feeding JFK a rosy scenario and a dark one to LBJ. Another weird coincidence, that.

It's plain as day in the National Security Action Memoranda:

JFK said "Out" in NSAM 263.

A week after Dallas,

LBJ said "In" in NSAM 273.

A Tale of Two NSAMs

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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:34 PM
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5. LBJ
To paraphrase LBJ, 'Hell, he's (Ky) the only guy we got out there.'
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:08 PM
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6. JFK would NEVER have fallen for phony intel.

"Americans are big boys.You can talk them into almost anything.
(Just) sit with them for half an hour over a bottle of whiskey
and be a nice guy."

-- Gen. Nguyen Cao Ky

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:59 PM
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7. That's why they assassinated him.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 08:00 PM by ConcernedCanuk
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:45 PM
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8. JFK said, ''No'' to the War Party.
In order to avoid this:

When the Generals, Admirals and CIA told Kennedy to send in the Marines and everybody else during the Bay of Pigs, JFK said, "No. We must avoid World War III."

When the Generals, Admirals, Cabinet, CIA and Congress told Kennedy to launch the ICBMs and B-47s and B-52s against the USSR over the Cuban missile crisis, JFK said, "No. We must avoid World War III."

When the Generals, Admirals, Cabinet, CIA and Congress told Kennedy to send in the Marines to South Vietnam, JFK said, "No. I'll never send in draftees to fight in another country's civil war."

So, yes. You are absolutely correct, ConcernedCanuk. The War Party assassinated him.

Here are the details:

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:01 AM
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17. Thanks 8fish - read some, saved the posting to my HD - will read in depth later.

Song came to mind while I was posting this

Bye - bye Miss American pie -

The phrase that ran through my head was

"The day the music died"
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:14 PM
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9. Chiang Kai-shek was a member of the Blue Shirts, a fascist organization
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:15 PM by alfredo
in China. I had a friend that was Madame Chiang's confidante and Bridge partner.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:44 PM
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10. Mrs. Chennault helped Nixon torpedo LBJ's peace plan in 1968.
Thank you for the info, alfredo. What did your friend relate regarding Madame Chiang? Was she an elitist? Did she have a democratic side? What did she say regarding Mrs. Chennault and the American right?

One American "China Hand" had a lot to do with Mr. Nixon becoming president and the war lasting another five years.

Transcript - Excerpts of THE TRIALS OF HENRY KISSINGER


WALTER ISAACSON, KISSINGER BIOGRAPHER: Kissinger had a very conspiratorial and sometimes manipulative character. He really liked to please various sides, he liked to ingratiate himself and in the Paris peace talks, he was willing to talk to both the Johnson/ Humphrey camp as well as the Nixon camp. Kissinger told the Nixon campaign that the Johnson team was close to an agreement with North Vietnam. Until the deal was final, the Johnson team wanted to keep the negotiations secret from South Vietnam.

NARRATOR: But Nixon had opened a secret channel of communication with South Vietnamese President Thieu. The go-between was Anna Chennault.

ANNA CHENNAULT: Information, information, information. And knowing that I travelled to Asia quite frequently and so messages from South Vietnam always come through me.

NARRATOR: In late September, Kissinger returned to Harvard. As the election approached, he kept in contact with both the negotiators in Paris and with members of the Nixon campaign.

CHENNAULT: He was getting information from both sides, he was probably giving information to both sides too. And I don't blame him. After all, he wasn't sure which side was going to win. Whoever wins, he's going to go to their side.


So many bad actors from that bad cast. Going from what I know of you, I know your friend is not one of them, alfredo.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:38 PM
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12. She didn't say much, but I have a feeling that my friend and
Madame Chiang were more than two women with a close relationship.

She did say that Chiang Kai-shek was a fascist (blue shirt) and that Madame Chiang was the "Dragon Lady." The meaning in that context was the wife of a criminal chief, not in the sense of being a domineering woman.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:36 PM
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11. Kick n/t
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:39 PM
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13. K&R n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:49 PM
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14. K&R. (nt)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:02 AM
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15. He was a piece of work. VP, drug lord, and then liquor store owner in Southern California.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 12:02 AM by TahitiNut
He was Thieu's VP when I was there. He was rumored to be involved in drug running ... opium and heroin.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:34 AM
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16. I first listened to King's speech years after his asassinated...and immediately understood why. n/t
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