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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:30 AM
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Why o' why do the repubs hate mc cain? He's everything they ever wanted.
I don't get it, annie coulter would rather vote for Hillary than mc cain, limbaugh hates him, what the hell is so bad about mc cain? Doesn't he live right up inside bush's colon? Isn't he promising 100 years in Iraq? Isn't he tough enough on Islamoterrorism? What's the repub's freakin' mc cain problem? I don't get it.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:32 AM
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1. I know!
It's crazy. There was a post here a few days ago comparing McCain & Lieberman in terms of dislike within their own party. But the difference is, McCain hugs that party line like he hugged Chimpy in '04. About the ONLY thing McCain deviated on was campaign finance reform, and the party faithful do hate that. But overall he's the embodiment of Republican idiocy. Should be a perfect candidate for them.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:34 AM
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2. They mention immigration a lot.
They are frustrated that so many of those awful Mexicans are becoming welfare queens and robbing us of our jobs, yet the repubs are getting wealthier and wealthier because of the Mexican slave labor.

Make up your minds repubs.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:35 AM
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19. Right
I saw McCain on with bowtie Tucker several years ago, and Tucker was saying how bad the immigrants are and McCain was trying to give some rational, calm, reasoned views on it. That probably does not go over well with some republicans.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:41 AM
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4. McCain supported immigartion reform, opposed Bush's tax cuts, and says that
he believes that global warming is a man-made phenomenon which requires government intervention.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:49 AM
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7. Let's look at those issues on McCain's website.
supported immigration reform
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm
Wants the border locked down. That is the #1 issue for loyal GOPers. Yes he also kowtows to big business to make sure they will have cheap laborers but the border lockdown is key.

opposed Bush's tax cuts
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/0B8E4DB8-5B0C-459F-97EA-D7B542A78235.htm
* Keep Tax Rates Low: Entrepreneurs are at the heart of American innovation, growth and prosperity. Entrepreneurs create the ultimate job security -- a new, better opportunity if your current job goes away. Entrepreneurs should not be taxed into submission. John McCain will make the Bush income and investment tax cuts permanent, keeping income tax rates at their current level and fighting the Democrats' plans for a crippling tax increase in 2011. Left to their devices, Democrats will impose a massive $100 billion tax hike, almost $700 per taxpayer every year.

He even works in the spin that it will be the Democrats' fault if Bush's irresponsible cuts - which are PROGRAMMED to expire in 2010 because it was the only way they could mask their true cost - don't get extended.

global warming is a man-made phenomenon
This one I'll give you, but only because it's becoming more of a fringe position even with the Republican party to deny the human causes of global warming.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:51 AM
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10. He is running to the right for the primary
If he wins that, he will move to the center.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:38 AM
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3. For the same reasons that Democrats hate Lieberman
Although he votes with his party most of the time, he has sided with the other side on a few high profile issues.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:42 AM
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5. But cripes, Freddie,
Holy Joe goes and ENDORSES a Republican for president!

McCain only just barely spoke up about the horrible smears on a fellow veteran in '04, and instead endorsed a draft-dodging idiot whose campaign used every dirty trick in the book against him in 2000.

McCain is a far better Republican than Lieberman is a Democrat.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:54 AM
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12. If a conservative had beaten him in the primary and he had been elected as an independent,
it is not out of the realm of possibility that he would not do something similar.

Lieberman campaigned for Kerry in 2004. If he had not lost that primary, he may well have backed one of the Democrats running.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:43 AM
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6. if you don't get it, you haven't been paying very close attention
McCain doesn't always toe the line, that's why certain repubs don't like him. Yes he's a hawk on iraq -- but he's been critical of chimpy's handling of the war, saying he didn't have enough troops to start with. He goes against the hard right's line on immigration and torture, to name a couple of things. He supported (indeed sponsored) legislation on election spending.

Among other reasons...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:49 AM
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8. Exactly. The RNC and their minions have been SPOILED for the past 7-8 years
with *. He's said "yes" to everything they've "asked" for. Never a challenge. Never an independent alternative to their proposals. Rubberstamp.

McCain is a military officer. He gives orders rather than takes them. He won't be continuing *'s legacy as outlined above.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:50 AM
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9. Step Through The Looking Glass
Welcome to the world of the 25% dead-enders. It's a paralell universe bred in codespeak and bravado that defies reality or logic.

Read some of the wingnut blogs...these are the losers who not only deny their "ideology" is inept and morally bankrupt and their "leaders" are criminals, they don't think these goons went far enough. They hate McCain cause he doesn't stretch their fantasies into the next dimension like some of the other candidates...or when he tries, he's too little, too late.

The hate radio crowd feels they control not just the party but the entire country...and those who don't measure up are forever ridiculed. McCain dared to buck this crowd in 2000 and they have long memories...look at all the old chestnuts they keep throwing out about us...and have never had to either be held accountable or responsible.

Look at this as the first shot in the battle for the "soul" of the GOOP...the real booosh legacy.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:54 AM
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11. McCain to R's is like Lieberman to DU nt


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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:56 AM
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13. He hasn't always been a 100% loyal supporter.
If you disagree with them even once in your life, you're through.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:02 AM
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14. Sometimes it's helpful to look at the other guy without our ideolgoical blinders
First sin - McCain pushed for campaign finance reform - this is his original sin.

Second sin - He pushed for normalization of relations with Vietnam

Third sin - He didn't kow tow sufficiently to the religious right in the 2000 elections and made derogatory comments towards a few christian conservative leaders.

Fourth sin - He ran against Bush.

Fifth Sin - He Opposed the Bush Tax Cuts

Fifth and a half sin - He considered leaving the Party in 2001 - this is only half a sin because the full details only just came out.

Sixth Sin - He joined the "Gang of Fourteen" to prevent the Nuclear Option (which would have, in Republicans Minds, allowed them to pass any judges they wanted, no matter how crazy . . . er, qualified (in their mind)).

Seventh Sin - He seems to take Global Warming and environmental protections seriously.

Eighth Sin - He opposes "Life Saving Interrogation Techniques" (quoting David Limbaugh Here), and he has the moral authority to oppose them. By Life Saving Interrogation Techniques, I, of course, mean Torture.

I might be forgetting a few, but these strike me as the big ones.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:10 AM
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15. I have a 70 year old friend who bleed Republican and he will not vote for McCain.
Not even in the general election, that is, unless he is running against Clinton. As a Democrat it is not my problem to get or to not get, it just "is".
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:10 AM
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16. He's not a very good puppet sometimes..
I think McCain shows shades of being a true ideologue, and he may just let his conscience and common sense guide him at times, which is anathema for the right wingers.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:11 AM
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17. He isn't pure enough for the elitist right-wing wackos
He dares to work with others at times, and they don't like that.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:11 AM
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18. A democrat is favored to win this election
And mc cain is underneath, a democrat. Thats the ticket..and just to prove it, coulter says vote for Hillary. But she really means PLEASE PLEASE DON'T VOTE OBAMA. Liars will not try to influence with truth.
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whatdoyouthink Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:37 PM
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24. I don't know about that
She Hates Clinton!!! So telling us - She would Vote for Clinton - might mean vote for Obama

Remember she tells lies- and when she says one thing - she means (truth) is Opposite


Oh about the thread - the re-pug's want someone better! that they! can control - why vote for him - when Romney - is better for there (them) money


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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:58 PM
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26. The main rule is she is not lying
You are to be manipulated. This is the primaries. She SAID do not vote McCain. She does not want Obama to win at all cost. SHE WANTS CLINTON OVER BLACK OBAMA. She is a racist.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:21 PM
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20. ..................
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:23 PM
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21. Cuz he's a Maverick
:D



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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:47 PM
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22. The RWing Plan is to present McLame as a Moderate in
order to garner the Independent Voters. The extreme RWing & RWing Fundie vote isn't enough to win the GE. They will vote for him rather than H. Clinton or B. Obama so it's all fine. The attacks on McLame are actually welcomed by the RWing Power Brockers. It makes him seem sane & electable.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:19 PM
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23. leadership
He RAN against Bush and Cheney. All the money people said stay out, let Bush have a free pass in the primary and He had the gull to run anyways. Part of the Neocon strategy was to replace/ removed old guard republicans from power in Washington. They wanted "yes" men not people that wanted to "share" Republican party power. That's why people like Trent Lott are loving this election. It's sort of the last gasp of the old guard.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:12 PM
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25. He didn't go AWOL or get 5 draft deferrments?
Being a chicken hawk instead of just a hawk has become a requirement for a Republican, hasn't it? Maybe if he had ducked Vietnam because of a cyst on his ass, he would be Blimpbaugh's hero.
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