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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:59 PM Original message |
How hard would it be to disrupt US access to the internet? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Would like to hear about this also |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Very easy actually as the root servers (six of them) ARE in the US |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. As usual, you are spot-on, nb.... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I'll blame that damn networking course I took so many years ago |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. The root servers should be made triple-redundant and MOVED to safer, secure locations. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The last time this came for discussion |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Actually, I'd prefer the whole shebang be under lucite |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. It will eventually come under the auspices of whoever has the biggest guns |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
75. what nationalistic claims in Antarctica? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. The UN? Hell no. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Good point about the UN. If you noticed, I also advocated a type of Net "priesthood." |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Not quite right, I don't think. They're not traffic servers, they're "phone books" |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. It's happened before. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. I might have a vague memory of the event you mention |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. That's just it, the entire point of DNS is that nobody has to do that. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Which is why I have been thinking lately, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. That would effect the world wide web, but the internet itself is so distributed |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. And yet... |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. who owns and maintains those root servers and how large a |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
69. That may have been true in 1990.... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. actually, there are 13 |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. They'd Have To Bring The Entire Country and Most of the West To a Standstill |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. And terrorists? They pick soft targets. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. How much harder to organize resistance if they control the lines of communication? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Any Official Attempt to Disrupt the Internet Would Hurt The Corporate Masters More |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. yes, |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You and Demeter make good points. It IS all about money and the control of resources |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. This is a delicate topic you bring up. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. By resistance, I mean what we do here, and signing online impeachment petitions, |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. Not hard. Watch..................... |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. Not as likely as Net being totally commercialized to charge big buck$ |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The Premium Prices Wouldn't Be Worth It |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. This is already being tried, but so far I think the Dems have blocked it |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
10. Anybody here remember the "bad old days"? Or am I the only one? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. If you find a way to get around root servers, let me know |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Hehe... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. You do know what a root server is.. right? |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. No, my early systems did not got through them. We had networks before they existed. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You are right, to a point |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Who could rebuild alternatives? Baby Boomers not ready to get over themselves |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Remind me where I can get all them circuits and other electronics? |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. My attic, office, storage unit, lots of places |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Many of us don't... and I just got rid of an ancient 286 AT |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Land lines are a good thing. Some cell phones do modems. Radio ultimately. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. You do realize that we left a bunch of readers behind a while ago |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Just a "Journey to the Heaviside Layer" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. :-) |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Forgot about printers/copiers being "bugged" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. No did not see that movie |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. keep a list at hand of the raw IP addresses you consider important |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I will repeat myself |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Wouldn't This Bring Down The Entire Financial Market Too ??? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. You can configure it so THEY are NOT affected |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Thank you for the information. I have found your posts to be cautionary and informative. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Well those who know history are at times seen as reactionary |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. 13 addresses refered to as "servers" - actually > 100 physical sites, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Once again, you turn those off, you turn off the net |
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Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Might be nice to have a DU BBS for backup. Our modems are much faster now anyway. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. If the phone lines are cut...... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Here you go, info on these suckers and oh my mistake we are up to 13 |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
14. There are botnets of thousands which can all be given a command to packet any server anywhere. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Thanks for the information! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. Most of us in the USA don't know this but the entire nation of Estonia |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Estonia is a different situation |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
22. Considering the system was designed to survive a |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
36. Several different things being discussed and confused |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Your discussion is very valuable in helping to understand the overall picture. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. You are correct |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
39. Isn't it amazing how quickly the internet has become central to almost everything? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
42. Servers, routers, etc. in the end depend on electricity. How secure is the power? |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. The power distributiion system has become very insecure. |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
49. I've seen backbone problems slow the U.S. network to a crawl. |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
53. locally- have large tree fall on the power/phone/cable lines |
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dawniedarling (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
65. OK so, what to do about it.. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. Ask Al...he invented it! |
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