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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 AM
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I Have Been Rocked To My Core By An Obscure Reading
I am a resident, not a native, of West Virginia. Though not born here I have grown a keen interest in the state's history none the less. Last night I ran across excerpts from the diary of a young woman who worked as a missionary during the great depression in a community not far from here. This is the Great Depression. http://www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh53-5.html

Excerpt:

"Jan 30, 1932.

Dear Folks.

<. . .> Today I have been visiting in homes to get the names of pre-school children who need milk. It looks like there will be 50 or 60 in Pursglove<.> The Quaker Relief Service is furnishing milk for them also.<. . .>

Something else of unusual interest and pathos - happened this week. The Bates family has been receiving help from the County for some months, and the people in the neighborhood have taken pity on the 6 children who are hungry half the time. Most of the people say Mr. Bates is lazy and good for nothing, but Mr. Bates says he has a rupture and needs medical attention. We have been feeding the school children (3) noon lunches. Mr. Joe Stewart has asked Mr. Bates to get out of the Co. house because of his not working in the Pursglove mines, but he has never made any attempt to move. Well, about a week ago Stewart gave Bates a 5 day notice that he would have to get out. Five days later Stewart sent up 3 Co. men to throw him out. So they picked up everything and dumped it out on the road. Mrs. Bates came to me crying! . . . . . . so I went down the road . . . . . but what could I do? I took her down to Crynoks office (justice of Peace) which is on the main road at Pursglove, and together we told the story. Crynok said the Co. had no legal right to "throw them out" because they had not gone thru the required legal procedure to do so - including sign put on door giving 30 days notice! etc. He suggested that the things be left where they were thrown, and that the mining Co be responsible for damages. I felt that I had done all that was possible. Several days have elapsed since this occurred - and the furniture, etc was out in the open air (some rainy weather, too) until today when the Bates shoved it in a barn. The family is scattered around in the neighbors houses - - - with no home. The mother has a 2 mo. old baby to take care of and - - - - she herself is a physical and mental wreck at the present time.<. . .>"

And later this:

"Feb 2, 1933

At Home

Dearest Mother and Father,

<. . .> Remember the 21 year old girl and 36 year old man whom I mentioned to you the last time I was home? The family relations had come to a crisis, and the husband had asked me to help. Lies had been going around about his innocent little girl wife - and he was half believing them. They have 4 children and are expecting a fifth. Marie was married at 13 years of age - efore she had ever menstruated. At 14 she had her first child - All but one of the four are under school age. The youngest is still wearing diapers and is a thin puny child . . . . . . and they are almost naked for clothes - - - to think a 5th one is on the way! Marie said she'd rather die than have another child . . . . . I found out later from her that she had taken quinine, kerosine, iodine and everything she could get her hands on and nothing seemed to cause a miscarriage, so she had decided to go to the doctor and have her womb opened. Some one else on Connellsville Hill had had it done and altho it was a terriably painful process she knew nothing could be more painful than child birth. She is small. (He is large) The doctor gives nothing to the patient for this operation! and I guess it all but kills the person. When I first talked to her about it I thought to myself - - - I hardly blame her

. . . . . and I didnt say much . . . . . But that night I got to thinking about it - and I felt urged to save that unborn child. So the next day I called her down to The Shack<.> (It was the first time her husband had let her off the hill for months) He is so selfish and envious of her. He hardly allows her to speak to anyone. I called for her on the pretense of having some things for her. She can't read, and her husband had read the note to her! Imagine!"

Or how abuot this:

"Nov 9, 1934.

Dear folks.

<. . .> After the D. A. R. the other night one of the ladies asked me why it was that it was so difficult to get maids from Scotts Run. She said that she didn't think all of them should be encouraged to follow higher lives - and that some of them should be encouraged to be good maids.<. . .> My - - - what a gulf between class - what little understanding there is. I had never given that angle any special consideration, but answered her as best I knew how. Of course I'm not out there to train maids! What a narrow view of life she did present.<. . .> The biggest hindrance to our work is the attitude of people who think they are the very helpers!! The final note of my talk the other night was the Friendship we must give to these people if we expect them to be better citizens. If when the young folks thru personal contact with people here in town cant find a spirit of Christian citizenship how can we expect the children themselves to become good citizens. All these incidents are splendid illustrations for talks . . . . and I continue to use them right here in Morgantown.<. . .>"

Another:

"March 1, 1932.

Hello Everybody!

<. . .> Went to one house - #28 at Davis - - to see a family named SUKAS. He walks with a cane, and is able to do no work. He has received no compensation since Oct 1931. Worked at Bunker mine. Has 2 married sons who are practically feeding him.<. . .> I found out that the mines had given him compensation - then put him back to work . . . Then when he found he was unable to do the work the mining Co. felt itself released of all responsibilities. The companies have no regard for human life. They tear men to pieces then let them go to die - Its a crime that there isnt government supervision over the actions of private companies. - - no social Justice - no Christianity<. . . .>4"









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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 AM
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1. Thanks for posting this..

The more things change, the more they stay the same...
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 AM
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2. Wow, what a find. nt
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:42 AM
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7. The title says it all.
"I wonder whom God will hold responsible":
Mary Behner and the Presbyterian Mission on Scotts Run
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 AM
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3. Things haven't changed much have they.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:40 PM
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24. Indeed, they have not. Everything in that article could (and does) happen in present day.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:49 PM
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37. Under FDR the situation changed much for the better. The rise of the middle class was no accident...
...but a result of government regulation of business.

For the vast majority of Americans there were about 5 decades of progress and prosperity. No wonder Americans were so optimistic.

What we should fear is that the mania for deregulation and privatization will cause a return to the dark past.

Hekate

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:26 PM
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39. Personally, I think the prosperity and progress leveled off after about 1967 or so.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:27 PM by BlueIris
The economies of the 70s, 80s and of course 2000 through the present have been quite awful. There was a brief, largely fake, return to semi-prosperity (or the illusion of it) between '95 and 2000, but it wasn't much more than a flash in the pan, and barely did anything (especially anything sustainable) to shore up the damage from the Regan years (which are, for the most part, what destroyed America).
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 AM
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4. We are repeating the 1920/1930 decades
but back then there was at least a bit more sense of community.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:56 PM
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40. One big difference between then and now is the safety net. If we
did not have people programs that help the elderly, disabled and poor families we would have bread lines a mile long right now. Even with the net some areas still have the problems today. All you need is a state or local government that refuses to administer the programs we have now and you can still have the same situations.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:10 PM
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44. Community has been lost, and now a days
regulation would stop people from doing those things that aid survival.

I grew up in a neighborhood on the far South side of Chicago. One of the older people in the neighborhood would talka bout how people who had no money and jobs lived in tents cities in the 92nd and Bishop area. The land was unoccupied and no one bothered these poor people.

Nowadays anyone who is homeless and creates some type of make shift structure can expect the police to come and pull it down.
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 AM
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5. Thanks for sharing....
very interesting, especially since we live only about 45 mins. from the WV line.
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:36 AM
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6. I am not sure if any people on earth suffered anymore then
Americans during the Depression.I was raised by my Grandparents who went thru the Depression.They lived on $10.00 a mo., but were lucky to have a garden, milk cow, chickens etc. They were better off then a lot of people.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:54 AM
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10. The way Americans suffered during the Depression is the way most people around
the world suffer every day. Many of them due to actions taken by our country. Much suffering is also alleviated due to the actions of Americans. But the policies of our corporate government cause suffering that makes the Great Depression look like a Sunday picnic.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:33 AM
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18. The Russians during the same time period.
The Thirties in Russia were the time of the purges. So, along with huge economic problems and starvation, people worried about being "disappeared" to the gulags. Only 10% of those sent to the gulags survived. Over 20 million died during the purges, and then another 20 million died during WWII where the Russians singlehandedly fought Hitler on the Eastern Front. The Siege of Leningrad was one of the darkest times of the war where their largest city was blockaded and millions starved to death.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:35 AM
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55. True that ...
The lingering effects of a multifacetted revolution, no such thing as national economic unity to begin with an then the Great Depression on top of that, a history of autocratic rule, invasion by a foreign and dramatically stronger force, and then you add Stalin's parinoia; the effect is predictable.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:34 PM
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23. Pff.
There are people, now, starving to death.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:47 AM
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8. ...the "good old days" that Republicans want to return to...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:50 AM by FormerRushFan
Reading things like this only disgusts me that much more when I see where the "Red States" are on the map...
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:52 AM
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9. History repeats itself
And that's why we have GOT to get a democratic president.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:58 PM
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41. And Congress.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:44 PM
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26. It's an absolute that the repub party is not capable of keeping
the economy strong. Name one that didn't leave our country in financial trouble?

Red States, I'm in one - unbelievable. The poor are determined to vote repub, - - by gawd they are not giving their tax dollars to those worthless people.... Yet State taxes have gone up when the Fed govt. cut taxes for the super rich. Someone said the other day that the poor vote rich. That has stuck in my mind, true but mind boggling.

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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:02 AM
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11. I remember Jesse Jackson addressing issues like this in his '84 and '88
campaigns. He tried to call more attention to this kind of poverty that still exists today. He did receive very good support from the Appalachian community in both runs. I wish he would speak out more about them even now. This kind of poverty still exists.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:13 AM
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12. Great post!
Thank you. K & R.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:32 AM
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13. New Orleans.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:32 AM
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14. Super post
K & R
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:52 AM
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15. wow! fascinating reading. Thanks! nt
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:55 AM
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16. Many Republicans got very rich in those days
One reason America is headed in the direction it is today...
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:01 PM
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43. Yeah, my father told about working out for a well to do farmer for
a $1.00 an hour. That farmer owned 4 Iowa farms when I was a teen and lived next to our 5 acre home. We were still working for him.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:22 AM
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17. the past as prologue? . . . how long before we begin hearing similar stories . . . n/t
.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:00 PM
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42. already there
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:01 PM by Two Americas
We are already there and have been for some time. There millions of stories like these happening right now.

As to when people will start hearing them, I am hoping "soon."
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 AM
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19. K&R
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:42 AM
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20. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, ThomWV.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:45 AM
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21. kick
from this historian :kick:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:32 PM
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22. The Nov 9th 1934 entry was especially good
The working class is held down nearly as badly by those who act from condescending charity as those who act from malicious exploitation.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:57 PM
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38. A thought that crosses my mind often reading posts here
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:47 PM
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25. gotta love those corporations
after all, they're just making business decisions

now, just like they did then


I wonder how many of the offspring of these people voted for Reagan.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:54 PM
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27. This makes my heart ache. Thank you for posting this. We need to be reminded. nt
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:01 PM
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28. Bush really is Hoover, isn't he?
Same priorities, same values, same methods...

Great post! :)
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:08 AM
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47. BUSH = HOOVER might make a good bumper sticker ... nt
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:02 PM
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29. I was born and raised not far from Morgantown..interesting read.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:10 PM
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30. What Goes around Comes Around..
due to pure ignorance, lack of education and a lack of humanity.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:45 PM
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31. Portrait of Things to Come.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 05:01 PM
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32. What fascinating woman she was!
Thanks for posting this! I have passed it on!
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:24 PM
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33. Do we feel any de ja vu after reading these notes from the past?
Here we go again!

These should be sent to ALL DEM CONGRESS PEOPLE as reminders of where we are heading back to if THEY don't DO THEIR ELECTED JOB!!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 06:43 PM
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34. very nice find
thanks for the link:kick:R
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:42 PM
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35. Wow...tough read. Probably happened in many of our families, too.
Heartbreaking REALITY.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:59 PM
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36. i went and read the whole page
thanks. the more things change the more they stay the same.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:32 PM
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45. Email this to Thom Hartmann. I am certain he will read it over the air. n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:51 PM
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46. Experieces like that lead to our social programs, and now the GOP wants to take them away
and return us to lives of despair.

:cry:
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:35 AM
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48. Just another reminder...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:39 AM by nikto
Of how pitiful the poor suckers are, who are not far above
middle class, or lower economically, who buy into the
sales pitch/siren-song of Konservatism, drink the snake-oil,
Kool-Aid, or whatever it is.

And The Old BS Myths persist, like "Reagan was a good guy and fine President",
or--"Our Public Schools are failing", or "Republicans stand for small gov't",
"They let me keep my money" or "Jesus says CEOs of failing companies
should get $100 Million bonu$es" or "Libruls want to take my children away
and burn my Bibles" "Corporations share my values" or or
"Gay Marriage is a threat to my family" blah blah blah.
FOXNews blares on.

When reality finally hits those heart-of-gold, but
a bit slow-on-the-uptake, Common Folk, it always turns into something like:
"My God! The Company People and Corporate Suits don't have any
sense of fairness or Christianity--Who would'a thunk it?"

But then that can injured mindset can evolve into:
"I guess we need one of those Labor Unions after all. Sheesh!"

The People seem to be getting fooled again & again.

But with the economic storm we've probably got coming up,
a whole society gets to learn all The Old Lessons again.

Whoopee!

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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:52 AM
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49. amazing stuff ...the woman writes with such clarity
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:00 AM
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50. Thank you for posting this, ThomWV. People need to wake up.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:07 AM
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51. "Pre-school children who need milk"
:cry:

Oh G*d. What's it come to?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:14 AM
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52. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The part about not encouraging the maids was interesting. Just like today. If funds aren't provided for kids to get an education they're stuck in menial jobs, serving the well off.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:23 AM
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53. GOP History Repeating Itself
When are the American going to learn that each time this bunch is in power it's the same depressing shit!

Republicans Hate This Country!

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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:32 AM
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54. Sounds like a Republican paradise!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:34 PM
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56. kick
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:37 PM
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57. Wow - a christian getting good press?
I thought we were all insane killers :)

Nice post btw!
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