Can we now have bipartisan agreement that Rudy G. is a big fraudulent loser?

[yellowcanine]

Even many of his claims about what he accomplished as mayor of NYC have turned out to be exaggerations.

And an "expert" on national security based on NYC getting hit by terrorists while he was mayor? Please.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Typical republicon

Pathetic liar and self-promoter.

[DiamondJay]

2. he still was a good NYC mayor

but he woulda been a horrid president. He ran NYC like the jungle it once was, fighting the crack wars. But those tactics for the nation as a whole would be a dictatorship. But he deserves to be in the books, he is the reason New Yorkers can ride the Subway without fear of being rolled, of course with the Clinton Crime-fighting WH

[yellowcanine]

4. Yeah but I have read that the drop in crime was comparable to other cities and that

the "cleaning up of Times Square" was actually a culmination of a redevelopment project started under Ed Koch and anyway the sex shops, etc. did not go away - they just moved around the corner. And of course there was all the racist crap from a few cops that he did little to stop.

[DiamondJay]

5. don't forget NYC's large population

sure there may have been comparable drops in other big cities, but they are nowhere as near as big as NYC, let alone Manhattan. With more people there is more variation and it is harder to stop crime, because crime is done by individuals, or course society plays a role, but murder is a choice. His broken windows policing kept undesirable pimps and drug dealer and users away by starting with the little tihngs, much more strongly enforcing laws against small shoplifting, turnstile skipping, public drinking and urination which got seedy folks who were more likely to use whores and drugs away, or afraid to violate the law. Moving the sex shops and porn theaters away keeps away the hos and pimps who walk the streets near those places who take advantage of the sexual desperados and peddle drugs and lawlessness. Now you cannot even get a whore on 8th avenue, where they were most recently or even the formerly infamous 42nd, near times square. you have to go to Hunts Point Avenue in the Bronx, which is out of the way for most in all boroughs except the north bronx. Sure some of his tactics were wrong, like the guy we heard about in the news, but there is a reason NYC is the safest city. Giving Koch credit is bullshit, because in 1990, when murders were at an all time high as was all other crim, when Dinkins was in office, his successor, the Rudy policies were not in place in anyway at all.

[Berry Cool]

6. But wasn't that William Bratton's idea, not his?

And Bratton didn't last there.

[yellowcanine]

7. The point about Koch was that the plans for the redevelopment of Times Square were formulated and

the preliminary real estate deals were inked during the Koch administration. It is a matter of public record, not bullshit at all. Rudy gets credit, sure, for recognizing the importance of the "broken window" effect and pushing effective public policies based on it. But the demographics of the 90s when Rudy was mayor favored a reduction in violent crime - violent crime rates per capita dropped in cities large and small nationwide. I have never seen anything to suggest that viloent crime rates per capita dropped any faster in NYC than in other urban areas. Do you have such data?

And btw, it is not only "seedy folks" who patronize whores and sex shops. That is a gross generalization.

[Virginia Dare]

9. Until he cheated on the taxpayers and his wife at the same time...n/t

[Cassandra]

3. No, Rudy is a big,

GENUINE loser!

[Johonny]

8. May be not yet

He may end up AG under McCain or run for Hillary's empty seat. He's not done yet I've got a feeling.