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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:18 PM
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Clinton administration praise for genocidal Suharto: "He's our kind of guy"
"The U.S. was still training the most repressive elements of Indonesia's security forces as Suharto's rule was collapsing in 1998, and the Clinton administration had established especially close relations with the dictator ("our kind of guy," according to a senior administration official quoted in the New York Times, 10/31/95)."
more:
http://www.fair.org/extra/9809/suharto.html

I'll remember that the next time James carville acts like Hugo Chavez (who, while questionable in his consolidation of power, is neither a threat or a butcher in the least)is the next Hitler

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Survivors describe mass killings under Indonesian dictator Suharto
By ANTHONY DEUTSCH,AP
Posted: 2008-01-27 17:11:53
BLITAR, Indonesia (AP) - Hiding out in the dense, humid jungle, Markus Talam watched Indonesian soldiers herd manacled prisoners from trucks, line them up and mow them down with round after round of automatic weapons fire.

It was 1968, and the killings were part of a final offensive by forces under Gen. Suharto to wipe out the communist party and secure his position as leader of Indonesia, now the world's most populous Muslim nation.

"They gunned them down and dumped their bodies in a mass grave dug by other prisoners. I remember the sound of the guns clearly: tat-tat, tat-tat, tat-tat ... over and over again," said Talam, 68, who was later jailed for 10 years after being named a leftist sympathizer.

Suharto, who died on Sunday at a Jakarta hospital, seized control of the military in 1965 and ruled the country for 32 years, suppressing dissent with force and supported by an American government at the height of the Cold War.

more:
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/survivors-describe-mass-ki...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:30 PM
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1. The fine thing about Edwards & Obama is that they have no history
of anything at all as far as foreign policy. No experience that could be twisted one way or the other.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:33 PM
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3. I note that you DON'T say
That by the end of their terms, they would not have similar histories of alliances with brutal dictators.

Isn't it wonderful how clean people can be when they weren't there at the time? Like Obama with the IWR.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:44 PM
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5. As they say in any other field but smash mouth armchair politics
If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't doing anything.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:45 PM
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6. probably not, the national security council really runs the show
ever since world war II. that's why only candidates who support this kind of shit are allowed in debates and considered legitimate by the powers that be
and of course, mr. chomsky is virtually banned from television while every rightwing hack has a forum
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:47 PM
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7. Have Edwards or Obama weighed in on the NSC?
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:49 PM
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8. doubtful
I don't even think Kucinich has, though I could be wrong
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:32 PM
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2. I guess this is in the top 10 of 'Things Democrats don't want to hear'...
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:35 PM
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4. right up there with the China sell-out
Bill in 1992, pretending to be a progressive: "Stop coddling dictators" (from his convention speech
Bill near end of term: Let's delink human rights from their trading status!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:57 PM
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9. Amy Goodman Speaks on the Genocide in East Timor
Warning, the video has graphic pictures :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs41WylohA&feature=rela...


The Indonesia/East Timor Documentation Project....

additional links


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"AMY GOODMAN: Brad, how difficult was it to get this declassified? The memos that you got? And how long were these memos about Ford and Kissingers meeting with the long reigning Suharto? How long were they kept classified?

BRAD SIMPSON: Well, they are kept classified until the fall of 2002. We now know, actually, that a Congressman from Minnesota, Donald Fraser, had actually attempted to declassify the memo, the so-called Smoking Gun Memo, the transcript of General Suhartos conversation with Gerald Ford, in December of 1975. Congressman Fraser actually tried to declassify this in document in 1978 during the Suharto adm--or during the Carter years and Carters National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, realizing full well the explosive nature of this cable would show that the United States had been an accomplice in an international act of aggression, recommended that the State Department refuse to declassify the memo, a mere three years after the invasion.

And it took another 25 years after this episode before the cables were finally declassified and of course much more has come out..."



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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:01 PM
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11. I'm going to kick my own thread
because your links are essential information
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:04 AM
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12. And I'll kick it as well, also added the links to today's thread,
link below. I have not listened to today's interview.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



Here is the video referenced by Amy Goodman, I think it is about 20 minutes

http://www.archive.org/details/Massacre_The_Story_of_Ea...

"A documentary produced by Amy Goodman and journalist Allan Nairn on the Santa Cruz massacre and the history of Indonesian and US involvement in the Southeast Asian nation.

This is the 2002 video version of the 1991 radio documentary by Amy Goodman.

This item is part of the collection: Democracy Now!

Producer: Democracy Now!
Audio/Visual: sound, color"


Thank you :) :)


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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:26 PM
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10. Since this got not even half the replies the thread about Bush on Suharto did,
I'm going to kick it.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 01:10 AM
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13. I'm kicking too
and for the same reasons. The passes people on this site give to murderers just because they happen to be Democrats would be really offensive if I wasn't sure it was down to ignorance not selective outrage.

So many people seem completely unaware of the trail of blood emanating from EVERY President's administration.

Empire can only be sustained via theft, many people will need to be killed before we are able to steal from them.
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