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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:17 AM
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My Hero Frank Zappa
Circa 1984. manufactured ethic specific diseases. military industrial Complex, corporations, and what makes the USA better than Europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIi7lw_lIY

Enjoy!

-90% Jimmy
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:34 AM
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1. I equate his musical genius with Hendrix.
Thanks for sharing.

And don't you eat that yellow snow......
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 AM
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8. No offense, but Jimi was guitar player....
And that was only a small part of Frank's thing. Frank was THE musical genius of the 20th century. His composing, arranging and and performance skill are unequaled. There is no style of music that he did not cover and conquer. Chamber music, Doo-Wop, Rock and Roll,Avant garde jazz, Classical..all of it.

He was also a multi-media personality,some of his videos from the sixties are still ahead of their time.
Not to mention that he was not afraid to say what was on his mind at all times. His testimony to the Senate during the PMRC hearings is just unbelievably to the point. He schools Congress.

He was on par with Jimi on guitar playing. But Jimi did not come close to FZ's genius, but then again nobody did.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:58 PM
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22. I think that Frank was a superior musician
but that Jimi was a formidable guitarist.

As far as compositions, Zappa was more diverse and certainly more prolific.

OTOH, I can't help but think that 'Little Wing' and 'Purple Haze' will
be parts of the culture for non-musicians and Zappa's chamber music will be loved
by the cognocienti well past the end of this century.

They both are larger than life.
And I would give a lot just to have been
allowed 60 seconds inside their musical brains.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:04 PM
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24. You hear Electric Ladyland and think
Jimi was a guitar player? As composers go, Hendrix has nothing to apologize for.
Neither one was a Don Vliet.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 05:22 PM
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31. Don Vliet
That would be Don Van Vliet, a high school R&B friend of Zappa's. Where Frank was a scientist, Vliet (Captain Beefheart) was a magician from another galaxy.

Frank actually became friends with the Gores, and Al stated, at the start of his questioning of Zappa at the PMRC hearings, that he was actually a fan of Zappa's music.

America could have had a Zappa fan in the White House.

we will never know, but I like to think that Frank's words alone would have been enough to topple the tragedy that is the Bush Presidency. Frank would have been able to pierce through the bullshit early on and warn the world about the psycho in chief.


-90% Jimmy
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:05 PM
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25. THE is a bit much.
A genius sure but THE isn't fair to a bunch of other 20th century figures. In some ways Mingus was Frank before Frank was Frank (and Duke was before either of them).
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:07 PM
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30. Frank was certainly great, but to proclaim him the ultimate of the century is
going too far. He might well be in the running, but there were several others just as good and arguably better.



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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:37 AM
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2. That certainly proves that great musicians
can have really kooky ideas.

He should have shut up and played his guitar.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:39 AM
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3. He did
He use to jam in Joe's garage.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:48 AM
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5. which he did as well as anyone
His composer shadow and freak rep really kept him from being compared to the so called great guitar playing rock stars. Somehow I think that bothered him a lot. He chased and delivered more toneful expression from 6 metal strings than just about anyone.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:43 AM
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4. I recall an interview w/him where he opined that the corporate elites who run the show...
Would only allow for the illusion of open society/democracy so long as its current structure remained profitable for them to do so. Looks like the writing on the wall could be an expiration date...
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:50 AM
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6. He's been right about everything
He was priviledged to see behind curtains, and brave enough to shout "Sex!" in a crowded orgy.
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DiscussTed Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 PM
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15. He was right
The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre. -Frank Zappa 1977
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:31 PM
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21. Quote
"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."

~ Frank Zappa, 1977 ~
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:07 PM
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33. Thanks
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:51 AM
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7. too much tinfoil hattery for me.

:tinfoilhat:
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:32 AM
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9. FZ on Crossfire!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:12 PM
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14. Halfway through... absolutely hilarious! Brilliant.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:15 PM by BushDespiser12
Already labeling the U.S. as a fascist theocracy.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM
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17. He was right.
I wish he was still with us.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:54 PM
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19. Can't have too many advocates of truth. He is sorely missed.
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:40 AM
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10. I've got a very old cassette with Zappa songs
from my brother's albums. Listened to it recently - wonderful music and mentality!
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:49 AM
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11. Interesting interview....
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:51 AM
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12. Read his book
It's fascinating.
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DiscussTed Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:05 PM
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13. He was ahead of his time
"The biggest threat to America today is not communism. It's moving America toward a fascist theocracy, and everything that's happened during the Reagan administration is steering us right down that pipe ... When you have a government that prefers a certain moral code derived from a certain religion and that moral code turns into legislation to suit one certain religious point of view, and if that code happens to be very, very right wing, almost toward Attila the Hun..."

-Frank Zappa during1986 appearance on Crossfire debating censorship
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:33 PM
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16. Welcome to DU,..
Frank was an extremely prescient individual.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 PM
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18. Not so much a fan of his music.. but he was dead on politcally
except "Thingfish" - I kinda like that one.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:01 PM
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20. i never saw this. thanks for the link.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 01:08 PM by orleans
i love his outfit--

damn! i miss him.

i often wonder: "what would frank have to say about this?"


please xpost this in video forum.


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:58 PM
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23. Remember when Frank was Tipper Gore's enemy? Remember this gem
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:47 PM
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28. To be fair, the RW took Tipper's crusade and warped it.
Tipper wanted the Recording Industry to adopt VOLUNTARY labeling (which they eventually did) and a very few reasonable measure (making lyrics available to parents, keeping explicit covers out of sight just like porno mags, etc.). The RW took it to all new levels,and some even wanted to ban "the music of the devil".

Like many Americans, Zappa mistakenly lumped Tipper in with these radicals (Tipper was actually a rock drummer in a cover band! She never wanted to ban rock or interfere with freedom of speech). He was right in opposing the radicals.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:03 PM
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29. It was no mistake. Don't you remember the speeches and rhetoric?
She was the vanguard. It's funny how selective our memories get when it is one of ours that is on the wrong side. Same thing happened with Al...



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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:06 PM
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26. If only Zappa were alive today...
I wonder what he would have thought about Bush weaseling his way into the presidency? Or how he started a war based on nothing?
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paritom Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:37 PM
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27. Thanks
I met Zappa the year of the interview while I was performing a staging of his compositions: Bob in dacron and Mo n' Herb's vacation in "A Zappa Affair" in Berkeley.
One of my heroes, too. Sorry he went so young.
--
Tom
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 05:31 PM
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32. whatch out where the huskies go....
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