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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:36 PM
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Universal Paid Maternity Leave---the only country in the Americas that doesn't provide it??
Take a guess.




(Also known as 'parental leave' in countries where both parents enjoy the benefits).









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave
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Sadie4629 Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
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1. Who pays it?
Government, or business? What if the business can't afford to pay it?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:59 PM
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4. Cost of doing business, and there's no competitive disadvantage if all have the same burden.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:04 PM by Gormy Cuss
Even if the "government" pays, it's coming out of taxes paid by individuals and businesses.
Business can't afford UI, SS employer contributions, local fees, state and federal taxes yet businesses continue to exist here and in countries where paid parental leave is the policy.


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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:01 PM
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5. It increases prices.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:02 PM by water
Many businesses here provide it as a competitive advantage for hiring.

It should be voluntary; the government has no business in the constitution mandating this.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:05 PM
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7. Please provide a link for that assertion.
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:10 PM
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10. Why?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:11 PM by water
How could it not increases prices?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:12 PM
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11. You stated it as fact.
You need to have a link to back it up.
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:25 PM
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17. No, I don't. :)
I don't understand your obsession to prove common sense. Any logical reason that it wouldn't raise prices?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:37 PM
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21. You're on a progressive site.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:37 PM by Lars39
And *not* doing your candidate any favors by taking this stance, btw.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:30 AM
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23. Raise immediate costs? Sure. But in the long run...you retain employees
by offering maternity leave. Lower costs for training new people. Happier employees return to work and are likely to be more productive.

It is astonishing to me that this huge "wealthy" country is one of about 5 nations worldwide that do not offer some kind of paid maternity leave. We do not value children here, unless they are still in the uterus. Families? We don't have much value in that either unless we're talking "family values".

Business before family. That's our nation's unsung motto.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:20 PM
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15. "Many businesses" is a bit generous characterization.
Most businesses with some sort of paid leave fund it through allowing the employee to use sick days or a partial payment under a short term disability policy.

From a Federal Office of Personnel Management report, 2000:

IV. Parental Leave in Non-Federal Establishments
(snip)

Ultimately, we relied on four surveys of employers and employees in the non-Federal sector conducted within the last 5 years. Survey findings concerning parental leave are summarized below.



Balancing the Needs of Families and Employers

Family and Medical Leave Survey - 2000 Update
U.S. Department of Labor


In 1995, the Commission on Family and Medical Leave conducted a survey of employers and employees to determine the impact of legally required and voluntary family and medical leave policies. In 2000, the Department of Labor (DOL) commissioned updates to the 1995 surveys. The 2000 Surveys document the types of family and medical leave benefits offered and, correspondingly, the benefits that employees are using....

Of the establishments surveyed, 34.4 percent of surveyed employers reported providing full pay to new mothers for maternity-related reasons. The survey did not ask whether the employee received pay for time off through a separate category of parental leave, through the employees own vacation and/or sick leave, or through temporary disability compensation programs. DOL also reported that 24 percent of the establishments surveyed provide full pay to parents on leave for care of a newborn, but again, the type of replacement pay was not characterized.

IPMA/NASPE 2000/2001 Benchmarking Survey -- Total Compensation

International Personnel Management Association and National Association of State Personnel Executives

Two hundred and eleven Federal, State, and local jurisdictions participated in the 2000/2001 survey. These jurisdictions represented more than 3 million employees. The majority of the participants were cities, towns, and States. The respondents indicated that paid parental leave for birth or adoption was offered by 51 percent of the organizations surveyed. However, the survey did not differentiate between maternity and paternity leave or indicate whether the employee received pay for time off through a separate category of parental leave, through the employees own vacation and/or sick leave, or through temporary disability compensation programs.

1998 Business Work-Life Study (BWLS)
Families and Work Institute

The Families and Work Institute undertook one of the first and most comprehensive studies of how U.S. employers are responding to the work/life needs of the Nations workforce. The survey was funded by Allstate Insurance, the Chase Manhattan Bank, the Commonwealth Fund, Freddie Mac Foundation, Kaiser Permanente, and The Travelers Foundation. The survey included a representative sample of 1,057
for-profit employers (84 percent of the sample) and not-for-profit employers
(16 percent of the sample) with 100 or more employees. The survey was designed to complement the Families and Work Institutes 1997 National Study of the Changing Workforce (NSCW), which surveyed a representative sample of employers in the U.S. labor force.


The 1998 survey reported that 91 percent of the establishments granted at least
12 weeks of leave to a new mother, in conformance with the FMLA. Similarly,
90 percent of the establishments provided at least 12 weeks of leave to new fathers, and 90 percent provided leave to both parents for adoption and foster care purposes. Mothers employed by 53 percent of the establishments received some replacement pay during their absence. However, 81 percent of the establishments providing replacement pay reported funding this payment through a general temporary disability benefits program. Only 13 percent of new birth fathers received at least some replacement pay, and only 12.5 percent of adoptive parents of either sex received some replacement pay. The survey did not address whether the replacement pay, other than temporary disability, was from the employees own paid leave account or a separate parental leave benefit.



2000 SHRM Benefit Survey
Society for Human Resource Management



The 2000 Society for Human Resource Management Benefit Survey was distributed to

606 human resources professionals. The respondents were fairly evenly split between companies with fewer than 250 employees and those with more than 250 employees. The survey contained 120 questions on the different kinds of benefits extended to employees, with particular attention to leave benefits. The survey specifically requested information about separate paid parental leave benefits.

The survey results indicate that only a small number of organizations provide paid maternity leave (other than partial pay replacement under temporary disability compensation programs) or paid paternity leave. While 12 percent of the respondents indicated that paid maternity leave is offered to their employees, 85 percent of the respondents reported no such benefit. Paid paternity benefits were minimal. Only

7 percent of the employers surveyed offered paid paternity leave to their employees. In addition, fewer than 1 percent of the respondents reported that their organizations were planning to offer paid maternity or paternity benefits in the future.



While non-Federal establishments are conforming to the requirements of the FMLA and permitting employees to use up to 12 weeks of leave for certain family and medical needs, few establishments provide a separate entitlement to paid parental leave for birth or adoption purposes. Paid time off for maternity purposes is largely funded by temporary disability insurance and the employees own paid leave. It is important to note that under the Department of Labors regulations implementing the FMLA in non-Federal establishments (part 825 of title 29, Code of Federal Regulations), any paid time off provided by the employer or through temporary disability insurance or the employees own paid leave is counted as part of the 12 weeks of guaranteed FMLA leave.


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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:35 PM
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20. Maternity leave in the US
Maternity leave: The basics
Last updated: August 2006

What is maternity leave?

Maternity leave, now often called parental or family leave, is the time a mother (or father) takes off from work for the birth or adoption of a child. Actual paid "maternity leave" — while the norm in every other developed country — is unusual in the United States, although some enlightened companies do offer new parents paid time off, up to six weeks in some cases. (Wow, a whole 6 weeks! The world average is more like 18 weeks.)

Most likely, you'll use a combination of short-term disability (STD), sick leave, vacation, personal days, and unpaid family leave during your time away from work.

The picture did improve in 1993 with the passage of the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA), which entitles most workers to up to 12 weeks of job-protected medical leave for birth or adoption. However, the FMLA doesn't cover those who work for smaller companies and guarantees only unpaid leaves.

Which benefits are available to you will depend very much on which state you live in. In 2002, California led the way in enacting paid family leave, and other states such as Massachusetts and New Jersey are considering following suit. And not all states allow women to take short-term disability leave to cover pregnancy, birth, and postpartum recovery.

(more)
www.babycenter.com/0_maternity-leave-the-basics_449.bc
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:32 PM
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24. I think women should just
stay at work for the entire pregnancy....give birth there as well. Breast feed the baby there, too. Change the diapers there as well. After all, Capitalism is the most important religion there is....Dog eat dog competition until only a monopoly remains. Who cares about women? Certainly not the Capitalists. They're just here to work for free....bear children and work for free.

The American Culture Hates Women.

Water...you sound just like W.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:40 PM
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34. And that is the US in a nutshell: Never mind actual human needs and quality of life;
it's all about the $$$$$.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:17 PM
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14. Your question makes me sadder than the issue
So many people don't remember when government was by and for the people.

In Canada the benefits are part of a federal Employment Insurance plan. Employees and employers both pay into the plan. Employees draw from it when needed. If you're off on parental (maternity or paternity) leave then you get a cheque from the federal government.
In addition to the paid benefits, an employer must -- by law -- hold your job for you for up to two years.
It's far from perfect. In fact, the right-wing obsession with punishing people who need social services has led to changes in eligibility so that many people paying into the plan cannot collect from it.

The real cost in the States comes later. When babies spend so f-ing little time with their parents in those first months they get messed up. They have trouble bonding and that leads to endless problems.

I'm convinced that this is a major contributor to the high rates of violence among young men. The problems with young women are sublter but no less prevalent.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:54 PM
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2. Face it, this country hates everybody but
white males with money.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:37 PM
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25. And many middle-class, working-class, and poor white males
buy into the white male superiority. Brainwashing and propaganda by the Media has done a fabulous job...along with our 'Educational' system, too.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:57 PM
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3. Why does the USA hate families with new babies?!
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:03 PM
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6. I don't see you paying new mothers. Do you hate them?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:13 PM
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12. I was one. Twice.
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:24 PM
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16. Doesn't change the fact. that you hate other mothers, apparently.
The most vocal opponent of these laws was a mother (of one) that I know.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:31 PM
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19. I'd be happy to pay new mums, but first someone has to pay me.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:07 PM
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8. Because the babies are no longer fetuses
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:13 PM
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13. Of course! That's always the way, isn't it?
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:08 PM
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9. The US is also last in the world when it comes to paid vacation
Even Chinese and the 'workaholic' Japanese workers apparently
enjoy more paid vacation time per year than their US counterparts.




Minimum paid vacation time around the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacation#Minimum_vacation_time_around_the_world
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:39 PM
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26. We work longer hours than any other
industrialized country except S. Korea. No wonder everyone is angry and/or depressed. The human being wasn't supposed to be treated as a robot.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:28 PM
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18. US has second worst newborn death rate in modern world


U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says
Research: 2 million babies die in first 24 hours each year worldwide



(CNN) -- An estimated 2 million babies die within their first 24 hours each year worldwide and the United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world, according to a new report.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found.

Only Latvia, with six deaths per 1,000 live births, has a higher death rate for newborns than the United States, which is tied near the bottom of industrialized nations with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with five deaths per 1,000 births.

"The United States has more neonatologists and neonatal intensive care beds per person than Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom, but its newborn rate is higher than any of those countries," said the annual State of the World's Mothers report.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:07 PM
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22. I guess it makes sense

Mothers who work during much of their pregnancy are exposed to greater stress, tend to receive less prenatal care, or when they aren't working they have less money to spend on prenatal care because they aren't being paid, so their babies have less chance of survival.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:41 PM
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27. The American Culture
Hates Women. It is truly that simple.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:43 PM
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28. Corporate "values" = "Family Values."
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:57 PM
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29. Which are Authoritarian Values....nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:00 PM
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30. Indeed. A crucial psych component of the corporate mindset
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:24 PM
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31. And having never learned
to kiss ass well, I have little success in the corporation. I question authority too much. The Corporation is very much like the military...modeled after it.

If you are interested in the psyche, I am reading a great book by Dr. Bruce Levine entitled, "Surviving American's Depression Epidemic." My library, nor its entire system, didn't have it....finally ended up getting it from a Georgia college. So I guess, the PTB don't want us to read it.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:31 PM
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32. Myself as well. One won't kiss ass if one hasn't been programmed to want what authority wants
As for psych material, I've read a lot of Jung, and other existential philosophy. Herbert Marcuse' One Dimensional Man is also required reading:

http://igw.tuwien.ac.at/christian/marcuse/odm.html
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:02 PM
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33. Thx for the link...
I read him in college when studying poli sci theory...long time ago. Our entire grade was based on a paper entitled: 'Human Nature: Good or Evil?'
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