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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:19 PM
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Thank You Nancy Pelosi, when we need a reliable leader - well, we get YOU
I cannot believe she threw the poorest of the poor under the bus with this "stimulus" package, while guaranteeing corporations would get money! Food Stamps are the LIFEBLOOD of millions of handicapped, recovering, low wage, single parent homes, older, and many other types of people - and you just said, in essence, they're not important.

Do you remember the scene in "In & Out" where Joan Cusack's character "Emily", having been told by "Howard" (Kevin Kline) that he was gay, just seconds before they were to be married, and after storming away to the church office to the shock of everyone at the wedding, eventually screams to Howard, "Do you KNOW how many times I've had to watch Funny Lady!?!?", and Howard proclaims, "She was under contract", and Emily turns around in front of everyone in the church and screams -


"F*CK BARBRA STREISAND!"


Do you know how many times we've had to watch this, "Funny Lady" Ms. Pelosi do this same dance with the pResident now? It's getting old, so old I want to scream, "F*CK GEORGE B*SH!" to her face and tell her to stop capitulating to make agreements that ultimately don't do America the good that they purportedly intend! This whole stimulus deal reeks. It's a small amount to be giving taxpayers from the treasury that is bankrupt as it is, and in effect, it just cuts off increases in needed support for those who are struggling immensely to get sustenance to survive - and when all the small amounts plus the huge amounts for businesses are added up, it's a whopping hit to the treasury.


$50 Billion dollars in Business Tax Cuts and we cannot guarantee that the poorest of the poor, and those struggling to regain work after recently losing a job, will get their very modest increases in Food Stamps or Unemployment Checks, when food prices have soared in the past couple years?

YOU GO NANCY... GO THE F*CK AWAY.

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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:21 PM
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1. This whole "stimulus" thing is a joke.
I'm all for trashing Pelosi, but this is just so silly. (Not your post, the whole situation.)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:23 PM
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3. I agree...
it's such a joke... people are gonna be thinking, and this was worth giving $50 Billion in tax cuts to the corporations, just so I can make a car payment or two?

Once again, the poor and lower wage earners get reductions, or chump change, while the wealthy are getting ridiculous billions! How is this remotely fair??? Sorry, I know you're in agreement, just so pissed at our 'leaders'.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:24 PM
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4. Do they think we're stupid or don't they care?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 03:27 PM by mac2
Starve the "democratic beast" or "drown it in a bathrub" is what they seem to say. Corporate thugs get even more money out of our treasury.

Nancy resign. You are not our representative nor do you represent our wishes. You ignore our call for change.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:27 PM
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5. I really think we need to have a political revolution
we need to throw the bums out with a massive vote against the status-quo. the very few that are there that care about the actual 'little' people are few and far between. most are beholden to their special interest that feeds them -

so everyone else (us) gets scraps.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:34 PM
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8. that is what they giving us "scraps" there is such a class thing
going on between us and them.

They treat the American people so disrespectfully they can take that money and shove it, really. That is George Bush's mentality, give the children (us) some money like an allowance but don't we have to pay it back???? What total BS, treats the American people like shit really, isn't everyone tired of this.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:37 PM
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9. We did that in 2006 but they took it to be their own victory
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM by mac2
when it was a nation wide Progressive call for change. Even with fixed elections and results we still won. In the end the party leader Peolsi gave it to them when the votes in 2004 weren't even all counted. The DLC traitors need to leave us and our party for the Republican one. I still see the same old party leaders (voices on media) who lost us elections since 2000. The small margin win was to justify their victory but no victory (what!). We can not accept their advice or direction for us.

Nancy power in your family (corporate and religious agenda) and way of thinking has ruined our democracy. Her religious agenda to allow a huge flow of her religion to enter our country to change the cultural and political makeup is hidden but there. She's exactly what "bigots" of the last century worried about...rule from Rome.

We elect Catholics to public office because we believe they act in our best interest and not that of their own religious group. Like John Kennedy said but didn't really believe when it came down to Cuba and Vietnam. The Cardinal wanted both for their church not Communism. It was a religious fight just like our Islamic one today. That way of thinking is just not true as we see by Catholic members of Congress such as Kennedy and Emanuel fighting for amnesty from large Catholic countries such as Mexico, Poland, etc.

Where is that child of a powerful person who cares about our "freedom of religion or none" country not their own self interest?

They all seem to think of themselves as deserving of being elite and royals on the backs of the workers. Nancy is no Progressive or even a Middle of the Road Dem. She's a Republican spineless hack.

They worry about immigrants (tax payer funded) and elite CEOs (lifetime bonus and retirement packages, etc.) more than workers and the stability of their own country. They are lawless and evil.

Am I angry...you bet. We're getting ready to retire. My savings, health care, and housing plans on thin ice (and a very dark place of fear) because of mismanagement by my leaders. I followed the rules...they did not.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:40 PM
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11. what a powerful message...
thank you for that. And I pray for your futures, they have really done you unfair.

The few leaders we have our being attacked from within, with calls to go work things out at "the table" with the other side, and to be "non-partisan"... blah blah blah...

it's BS! Represent the people, indeed, or leave our party!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:11 AM
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37. Of course it's this way. You're surprised? They all work for similar corporate pay masters, not us
People won't take a stand for real change until we further break this bubble of fairytale propaganda {sold to via the mainline press/media} that enshrouds the American political system.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:28 PM
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6. Both, I'm afraid.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:22 PM
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2. Disgusting. n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:34 PM
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27. I'm horrified and you may remember me defending her so many times before
I can't. This was too fast, too easy and look what was shelved before even trying to get...this.

:(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:56 PM
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28. I know. Tax cuts for businss, nothing for the poor, nothing really
until June. How many people will be homeless by then?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:30 PM
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7. somebody remind me again how super rich nancy pelosi is?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:39 PM
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10. I wonder what would happen if we just sent the checks back to them?
Since we're talking movies, I recall the opening scene in Butterfield 8 when Elizabeth Taylor's character finds money left for her by the married man she just spent the night with.

She takes her lipstick, and writes "No sale" on a mirror, as a message to him when he returns home that she can't be bought.

I wonder what they would do if millions of Americans just wrote "No sale" on their checks, and sent them back!

:rofl:
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:43 PM
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12. Or sent them notice that they would have to open a "savings account "
for their health care, pensions, and charity funding of the needy?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:46 PM
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13. damn straight n/t
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:56 PM
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14. That doesn't even include the tens of billions + allready funnelled to the big corps OR,...
,...the seriously effed up VOO-DOO ECONOMIC POLICY that forced the economic suffering we have today.

If the congress critters are SERIOUS about stimulating (or, hell, for that matter, SAVING) this economy, they must take steps to reverse voo-doo economics.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
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15. It's the same gang in power since Reagan
We have to get rid of the Voo Do gang in DC. They are a big frat club who igore why they are there in the first place. They have been given an honor and faith of the people but have abused it big time. They take it all for themselves like the Mafia.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
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16. Who's the lamer lame duck, Nancy Pelosi or George Bush?
We progressives had so much hope for her. Now she's down there in the ninth circle of political hell with Joe Lieberman as progressive poseur/quisling.

I wonder if the full story will ever come out. My suspicion is that GWB has something on her and threatens her with it when he needs to. Look at their expressions in the OP's photo! Who's scared of who?

Whatever the story -- get her out of there!
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:26 PM
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19. She carried a big message but not a big stick
She's no leader and has betrayed us.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:20 PM
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17. there's just no pleasing some people
this is leaps and bounds better than the "stimulus" giveaway that got passed when shrub first took office.

in particular, people like me, who earn enough to be less likely to just spend it locally, won't get a dime, unlike last time.

this is a major improvement while we still have narrow margins in both houses and an idiot wielding the veto pen.


pelosi will propose a food stamps plan separately, anyway.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:37 PM
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20. Food stamps?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:43 PM by mac2
Wouldn't it be a better idea to stop the illegal wars which is billions of food stamps a day? Bring back our off shored jobs such as our government ones and military bases from all over the world? How about cutting aid to Israel which has free medical care, etc. for their citizens while ours go without?

Bring back our government jobs from India, etc. Bring back our defense industry and bases from around the world. We are a free nation run by citizens not corporations as Bush,Inc has done. Bring back our corporations since our patents and markets have been stolen from under us. Stop the illegal war?

How about getting out of debt so our money is worth something when we buy it?

How about making the Brits pay their royalities for our oil in Alaska? They buy our energy and resouces with it. They talk us into war and then withdraw except for their intelligence forces. DA! The British and EU royals and elite out to destroy and rob us? You bet. Get out of the WTO and NAFTA. It is bleeding us from behind closed doors.

As queen I could think of lots of ways to stop the treasury from bleeding to Bush elite.

Last but most important...impeach the lying, cruel, murdering, crook now!! He hates us and is out destroy us and our democracy. We citizens are demanding it. Even the world demands it.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
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21. ty! n/t
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:09 PM
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22. oh, sorry, i thought we were talking about the stimulus package
but i guess we were just bringing up old trash....
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:22 PM
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18. She is a republican
any more questions ?

She will leave office as the most hated speaker in history, fuck that traitor.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:10 PM
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23. I have to kick that. -n/t
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:12 PM
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24. I wonder if Cindy could still run against Pelosi this year or
should I just shut up and swallow Our Elected Democratic Leader...
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:02 AM
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29. If Cindy is going to run I wish she would instead of just
implying she might and then saying no. We don't get a real candidate against Pelosi that way.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:23 PM
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25. I've promised myself that I will vote in November
After that...who knows? The national party can go fuck itself. I'll continue to vote at the local level, regardless.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:03 AM
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30. Too bad we can't vote...none of the above
Go back and give us a better choice.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:04 PM
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26. Fight back
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:03 AM
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31. If I were in charge of enemy propaganda, I'd want Democrats attacking their own leaders like this.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 07:03 AM by Perry Logan
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:05 AM
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32. "Democratic leaders"?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:09 AM
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33. All you have to do is not report what the Dems have done. Works like a charm.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 07:09 AM by Perry Logan
"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000 votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison, the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in 1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn't on pace to break any records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives.
Approximately "1 in 6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes," noted a JulyMcClatchy report. "If this pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous record number of cloture votes."
It's interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record "for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II."

Less than six months into the 110th Congress, Senate Democrats have made significant strides in passing important, common-sense legislation that reflect the priorities of the American people. After nearly a decade of Republican control, Democrats have worked to restore fiscal responsibility in Washington and pass key legislation on Iraq policy, homeland security, troop readiness, veterans' health care, economic competitiveness, ethics reform, the minimum wage, health care, education, energy independence, stem cell research, and Gulf Coast revitalization. Democrats are committed to proving that elections do matter, and we will continue to pursue the international and domestic priorities that matter most to the American people. Together, we will take the country in a new direction.

Under Democratic leadership, the Senate has passed the following measures:

* A fiscally responsible budget: a budget that restores fiscal discipline and will lead to a surplus, while cutting middle-class taxes and funding foreign anddomestic priorities, including education, children's health care, veterans, and our troops;

* 9/11 Commission recommendations: a bill to make America more secure by giving our first responders the tools they need to keep us safe; making it more difficult for potential terrorists to travel into our country; advancing efforts to secure our rail, air, and mass transit systems; and improving intelligence and information sharing between state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies;

* Homeland security funding: legislation that provides $1.05 billion in funding necessary to address dangerous border and transit vulnerabilities left open by the Bush Administration since 9/11;

* Support for our troops: legislation funding the President's requests for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, including $1.2 billion in additional funding for a total of $3 billion to provide our troops in Iraq with mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles;

* Health care for wounded soldiers and veterans: legislation that provides $3 billion in supplemental funds for military health care and $1.8 billion in supplemental funds to the Department of Veterans' Affairs to accommodate the increasing number of new veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan;

* Benchmarks for Iraq: legislation that conditions U.S. economic support for the Iraqi government on its progress toward achieving key political benchmarks;

* National Guard readiness: legislation to provide an additional $1 billion to President Bush's request for National Guard equipment needs to remedy equipment shortfalls that are compromising the quality of force training and limiting the Guard's ability to quickly respond to natural and potential man-made disasters at home;

* Continuing Resolution: legislation providing funding for the nine remaining appropriations bills that were not completed by Republicans in the 109th Congress. In passing this legislation, Democrats stayed within budget limits, eliminated earmarks, and increased funding for national priorities, including veterans' medical care, Pell grants, elementary and secondary education, the National Institutes of Health, state and local law enforcement, and global AIDS prevention and treatment;
* Energy Bill: landmark legislation to increase our energy independence, strengthen the economy, reduce global warming emissions, and protect American consumers.

* American competitiveness: bipartisan legislation to increase the nation's investment in basic and innovative research; strengthen educational opportunities in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics from elementary through graduate school; and develop the infrastructure needed to enhance innovation and competitiveness in the United States;

* Ethics and lobbying reform: a bill to slow the "revolving door" for former Senators and staff, strengthen limits on gifts and travel, expand lobbying disclosure requirements, establish a study commission on ethics and lobbying, prohibit pensions for Members of Congress convicted of certain crimes, and implement reform procedures relating to earmarks and conference reports;

* Minimum wage: legislation to increase the federal minimum wage to $7.25/hour;

* Middle-class tax cuts: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for permanent extensions of the Marriage Penalty tax relief, the $1,000 refundable Child Tax Credit; the 10 percent income tax bracket; the adoption tax credit; the dependent care tax credit; U.S. soldiers' combat pay for the earned income tax credit; and reform of the estate tax to protect small businesses and family farms;

* AMT patch: the 2008 Budget Resolution ensures that the number of taxpayers subject to the alternative minimum tax will not increase in 2007, giving Congress and the Administration time to come up with a permanent solution;

* Head Start: a bill to expand eligibility for the Head Start program;
* Stem cell research: legislation to expand the number of human embryonic stem cells eligible for federally-funded research;

* Children's health coverage: the 2008 Budget Resolution and the 2007 Emergency Supplemental provide needed funds for the Children's Health Insurance Program;

* FDA reauthorization: a bill to greatly improve the Food and Drug Administration's oversight of drug safety;

* Rebuilding the Gulf Coast: legislation providing a total of $6.4 billion for victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, including $1.3 billion to complete levee and drainage repairs, $50 million to reduce violent crime in Gulf Coast states, and $110 million to repair the seafood and fisheries industries, which is vital to the region's economic recovery;

* Army Corps reform: legislation to ensure that the Army Corps of Engineers does its job more effectively and soundly;

* Disaster assistance for small businesses: legislation providing recovery assistance for small businesses impacted by the 2005 hurricanes in an effort to revitalize the Gulf Coast economy;

* U.S. Attorney appointments: legislation ending the indefinite appointment of interim U.S. Attorneys and restoring the role of the Senate in the selection of U.S. Attorneys;

* Tax relief for small businesses: legislation providing a range of deficit-neutral tax incentives designed to help small businesses grow;

* Education and training: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for the largest increase since 2002 in funding for elementary and secondary programs; and

* Energy and environment programs: legislation increasing funding for basic science research at the Department of Energy and for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs.
http://www.apostille.us/news/democratic_accomplishments_in_the_110th_congress_leading_america_in_a_new_direction.shtml

There are countless investigations going on. Healthcare is on the table. The internet is safe for now. Our wounded vets are no longer lying around in their own urine. The Senate Ethics Committee is back in action. Many 9/11 Commission recommendations are being passed. A bill to increase financial aid for colleges has passed--the single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill. The President's signing statements are being investigated. Legislation to restore habeus corpus has been approved. The Senate Armed Services Committee has passed legislation "that would grant new rights to terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay. The unions have a voice in the government now—as do gays, women, and minorities. The environment has a fighting chance. The House passed the Taxpayer Protection Act, to protect taxpayers against "identity theft, deceptive Web sites and loan sharks." It also makes it "easier for taxpayers to retrieve property lost as a result of a wrongful Internal Revenue Service levy and directs the IRS to notify lower-income people that they qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit." The House approved a bill spending $1.7 billion over five years for cleaner water. There's a new House committee devoted solely to addressing the issue of global warming. And so on.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:57 PM
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34. Good to hear from a Pelosi defender. 2 questions: impeachment & FISA. /nt
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:57 AM
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35. Impeachment: not enough votes. It's bad strategy for us to attack our own leaders.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:12 AM
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38. Says you. And they're not my "leaders"
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:14 AM
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40. FISA Rests In The Senate
The House originally voted out a bill without immunity...part of what was vetoed last year and then both the House & Senate caved. Right now, this bill sits in the Senate again...the House won't have a say in this matter.

Regarding impeachment...as others have said endless times, there aren't enough votes. Also, it's not the job of the Speaker...who represents ALL the House...the lead on this should be the Majority Leader...Steny Hoyer. Rarely do I ever see his name mentioned here...as he's really the one running the show for the Democrats in the House. Want changes...start there.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:30 AM
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42. Want changes? Don't look to politicians. All you'll get is business as usual
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:54 AM
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48. And Your Answer???
Gonna replace them with robots?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:57 AM
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50. Historically, true change for the better always occurs from the bottom up, not top-down
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:05 AM
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52. The Fun Of DU
The one thing people detest about booosh and repugnicans is how they are lock-step...top-down, as you state. A "my way or the highway" party. But then they demand the same type of "orthodoxy" from their own leaders. It's as though Pelosi and Reid should just clap their hands and troops come home, phones don't get tapped, booosh is impeached and we all get ponies. If things only worked so simply. Both are elected leaders of many different interests that don't always play nice.

Yes, the game is from the ground up and we're just starting to get that ground game going. Right now, I'm keeping track of a dozen primary challenges that are taking place (and have some of my money involved) that are the next step in transforming the party into a more Progressive/Liberal one.

Cheers...
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:17 AM
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41. And Don't Forget All The Bills That Sat In The Senate
Repugnican obstructionists in both houses have fought every bill...McConnell sits on them in the Senate demanding the 60 votes. Pelosi has little she can do to control this.

Thank you for your post...seems like our worst enemies are within our own tent. But leave it to those who want to yank chains to throw out the right wing talking points.

If people want a more Progressive Congress...then we need to go out and get more Progressives elected.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:58 AM
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36. Oh well. No one will ever accuse DUers of being brilliant political strategists.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:13 AM
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39. If you're paying attention you realize the charge is far worse than that
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:32 AM
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43. The point is, these anti-Democratic threads constitute a goldmine for Republican operatives.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 07:34 AM by Perry Logan
Republicans spend millions of dollars every year to dig up dirt on Democrats. And here we're helping them--for free. That's what I mean by "bad strategy."
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:38 AM
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44. I disagree. Such threads represent rational free thinking
We needn't care how others perceive us. Doing so concedes way too much, and is wrought with cowardice and servitude.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:48 AM
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46. Either that, or you're invoking lofty principles so as to indulge your love of badmouthing.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:52 AM
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47. Representing the people is a "lofty" concept?
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:41 PM
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53. Every movement has to "police" its own.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 04:54 PM by philly_bob
Wouldn't be nice, for instance:

- If 1970 moderate Republicans had frozen out the Religious Right?

- If the Islamic community had frozen out the Jihadists?

The charges against Pelosi (of betraying the 2006 voter mandate for resistance to Bush) are serious. I really believe in this kind of exchange, difficult as it is. The argument that Republican can use it to their advantage is outweighed by the importance of eliminating cynical "free riders" from a populist movement.

However I'm glad to see defenders of Pelosi.

Frankly, I can't get too far past that quote about impeachment "being off the table."

And I don't recall seeing a failed filibuster; all I remember are people saying we can't do a filibuster because of the votes.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:45 AM
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45. There are many problems in Washington..
... but when it comes to things economic, I think there is a very specific one.

It really seems to me that the Dems have bought, hook, line and sinker, the Republican smoke and mirrors BS about "supply side economics".

Supply-side is based on the the theory that by lowering taxes on business, one can stimulate economic activity that actually brings in tax revenue.

Of course, it doesn't work, it has NEVER worked, what has been substituted for the gains that were supposed to be made is debt at every level.

But it seems like Dems must buy into it because they are always going always getting with the program.

Why should Pelosi give Bush ANY of his demands. This recession is 100% Republican Red. There is NO reason to compromise on this, Pelosi should have used Bush's favorite justification, my way or the highway.

I'm hoping the Senate is better, but then there's Reid and well, he's a big pussy also.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:55 AM
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49. So again, dems are somehow easily duped, "hook, line and sinker"
Instead of fulfilling a corporate role. After such "coincidences" repeat over and over, intent becomes quite suspect, wouldn't you say?
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Flatline Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:00 AM
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51. Pelosi bought and paid for by
The Bu$h Admin....




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