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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:36 PM
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UK media slams US media on Sibel Edmonds case
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 03:48 PM by lukery
The UK's Guardian is running a piece, "US journalists ignore Sunday Times scoop on FBI nuclear scandal," criticizing the US media for not picking up on the latest revelations by their competitor, the UK's Times, in the case of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds.

The author of the piece is the Guardian's media commentator, Roy Greenslade, a Professor of Journalism and former Managing Editor of the Times. He writes:

It looks to me as though the Sunday Times has landed a genuine world exclusive that should surely have been broken ages ago by US-based reporters.


I agree entirely. Consider what any journalist in the US has known, or should have known, for years.

Sibel's case broke as an espionage story in June 2002 in the Washington Post and an October 2002 CBS' 60 Minutes segment ( youtube) where we learnt that foreign operatives had spies working for them in both the Pentagon and the State Department.

Simply following the names and associations of the people known to be involved, any journalist should have been able to piece together the broad outlines of the story simply from public sources.

One of the spies involved, FBI translator Melek Can Dickerson, was known to have worked for the American Turkish Council (ATC) and the Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA). These organizations were known to be targets of FBI counterintelligence operations. This was publicly confirmed by the FBI and Congress at the time.

Another of the spies identified at the time, AF Major Douglas Dickerson, the husband of Melek Can Dickerson, was working for Douglas Feith at the Pentagon. He had previously worked with Marc Grossman in Turkey.

We know that both Feith and Grossman are two of the prime guilty parties in Sibel's case.

These two spies, Melek Can Dickerson and Douglas Dickerson, were permitted to leave the country while under active investigations by the US Senate Judiciary, by the Department of Justice's Inspector General (IG), by the Pentagon's IG, and by FBI.

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In an article three weeks ago, the UK's Times reported:
Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions.


We already knew this, and much of the other information reported in the Times.

Consider that in October 2002, CBS' 60 Minutes reported:
"Edmonds... revealed that the Turkish intelligence officer had spies working for him inside the US State Department and at the Pentagon."


Mainstream American journalists, from the Washington Post to CNN, knew about this, and mostly refused to report on it.

US journalists have been either too lazy, or complicit, to report on anything but the most trivial of Sibel's claims, including 'mismanagement' within the FBI, particularly the translation division. However, even if they had initially focussed on the 'mismanagement' of the FBI, they ought to have been able to follow up and connect some of the dots.

Here again is 60 Minutes, October 2002:
Take the case of (Melek) Jan Dickerson, a Turkish translator who worked with Sibel Edmonds. The FBI has admitted that when Dickerson was hired last November, the bureau didn't know that she had worked for a Turkish organization being investigated by the FBI's own counterintelligence unit, and they didn't know she'd had a relationship with a Turkish intelligence officer stationed in Washington who was the target of that investigation.


This information was in a then-public letter written by Senators Leahy and Grassley to Attorney-General John Ashcroft in August 2002, after they had held hearings into Sibel's case, where they note that the FBI verified these facts. This was also later confirmed in the Justice Department's IG report.

Melek Can Dickerson in fact had worked with at least two organizations that were targets of FBI investigations, the American Turkish Council (ATC) and the Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA), and she was actively preventing the FBI agents from receiving important translations from the wiretaps pertaining to these organizations. The information that Dickerson was blocking related to:
"activities to obtain the United States military and intelligence secrets."


Again, we knew all of this in 2002. We knew that the FBI was running a counter-intelligence operation against certain organizations regarding the theft of military and intelligence secrets and that foreign elements had spies working for them in the Pentagon and State Department.

We also knew that Melek Can Dickerson was married to Air Force Major Douglas Dickerson. Douglas Dickerson worked in weapons procurement in Turkey from approximately 1992-1997, based in the attache in Ankara, working under then-Ambassador Marc Grossman, the "senior official" identified in the recent Times article.

In the summer of 2002, while Melek Can Dickerson was being investigated, the Pentagon IG was also investigating Douglas Dickerson regarding these espionage charges/allegations. The official letter sent by the Pentagon specifically mentions Dickerson's involvement with the American Turkish Council.

At the time, Major Douglas Dickerson was working with another of the
The Dickersons left the country in 2002 while they were both under active investigations by Senate Judiciary Committee, by the Justice Department's IG, the Pentagon's IG, and by the FBI itself.

In their August 2002 letter to Ashcroft, Senators Leahy and Grassley note that they were concerned that the Dickersons were leaving the country, before the investigations would be completed, and that "...there will be little or no assurance that (Dickerson) will return or cooperate with an investigation in the future." Their concerns were well-founded.

Grassley and Leahy also wrote that they were concerned that:
"...the FBI currently opposes depositions of the monitor and her husband as part of the investigation into this case.
<...>
It is unclear, then, why the FBI is taking this position in the wake of such important allegations bearing on national security."


Again, American reporters knew all of this in 2002. They knew that there were spies in the Pentagon and the State Department who were enabling the theft of military and intelligence secrets, and they knew that the Pentagon and the FBI were actively involved in covering it up.

For one reason or other - incompetence or complicity - not a single American journalist followed up on the important issues in the 60 Minutes report and the Washington Post
, and we didn't learn about any of this in the US media in 2002. Instead, we are 'learning' it in 2008 from the British press - and still the US media refuses to publish it, which leads me to believe that the American media is not 'incompetent' but rather 'complicit.'[br />
Roy Greenslade, Professor of Journalism and the Guardian's media commentator, first notes that the story "should surely have been broken ages ago by US-based reporters" then adds that the latest revelations in the Times's latest series:
.. looks to me like a very hot story indeed that should surely have been taken up by mainstream newspapers in the United States
.

Who could argue with him?


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( Email me if you want to be added to my Sibel email list. Subject: 'Sibel email list')

Cross-posted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak

UPDATE: You can thank the Guardian writer by leaving him a comment here
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2008/01/us_journalists_ignore_sunday_t.html
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:42 PM
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1. K&RRRRRR....at least the world needs to know how our government...

wheels, deals, illegally profits off of and gambles with issues involving their and our security.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:43 PM
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2. Turn up the heat.
The pressure is bound to get to the US media at some point.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:44 PM
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3. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, lukery.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:56 PM
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4. K&R
Now let's move this up to the top of the page and keep it there. Since No MSM, it will be 'we the people.'

And,great job Lukery.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
43. Thank YOU!
:hug:

- Dave
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:57 PM
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5. Glasnost! k&r
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:08 PM
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6. An Idea
Can we send/forward this Guardian piece to the MSM here? I suspect not much shame or spine left as far as they are concerned, but they should all receive this nicely executed critique. Just an idea.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:21 PM
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9. I think so.
A good scolding couldn't hurt.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Let's do it.
It will be fun.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. McClatchy now has it.
DC desk.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:48 PM
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22. tireless
Thanks for your tireless work mmonk.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:52 PM
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23. No problem.
My pleasure.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #22
88. I don't know how you do it.
You must spot sleep.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:57 PM
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27. Can you even believe there's STILL a blackout here on this story?
I really thought once you'd gone public SOMEWHERE it would have bubbled up here.

Scary, really.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
49. They didn't get the name media whores for nothing. n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. good idea
This should be required reading for all journos ;-)
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Sure
And let's also shame the more influential bloggers who are AWOL.
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:26 PM
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14. K&R
Great job!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:57 PM
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26. Sibel, Phil Giraldi's piece in American Conservative just got published a few minutes ago...
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 05:01 PM by calipendence
I started a thread on it in LBN

"Found in Translation" - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3151400&mesg_id=3151400

Woops, looks like the mods don't think it's news so it's been moved to GD. Oh well, I at least updated the subject line so that more people will be apt to read it now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2745145&mesg_id=2745145
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. It's ok. Good work.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:12 PM
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7. "Move along. There is nothing to see here (smirk). - republicon corporate Ministry of Truthiness
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 04:13 PM by SpiralHawk
"We will tell you what to think."

- republicon corporate media Ministry of Truthiness

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:20 PM
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8. BAH!!!! U.S. corporate media are a buncha' friggin' WIMPS!!!
They are particularly WIMPY when it comes to stories that would seriously (rather than facetiously) rock the boat and shine light on the U.S. government!!!

They are worthless.

BAH!!! I quit them quite some time ago because they are not worth my time or attention.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. btw the Guardian is one of my news coverage of choice. nt
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:25 PM
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12. Thanks for pointing out MSM complicity.
I tell people about Sibel and the standard reaction seems to be: "Where are the Woodward and Bernstein when we need them?" Well, Woodward wouldn't dare say a word about this, in the Washington Post or anywhere else. Might affect his relationship with his "gossip" buddy, Dick Armitage.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:28 PM
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15. KNR! for Parastroika too!
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:29 PM
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16. K&R n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:37 PM
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19. K&R for a Gagged Truthteller!!!!!
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:46 PM
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20. Douglas Dickerson
Here is an interesting fact:

The Pentagon Inspector General who covered up Lt.Col Dickerson investigation was: General Schmitz. Schmitz resigned in 2005 due to some 'unknown' (unknown as in unreported, because the MSM never chased the truth)scandals. He now is the COO for BlackWater. hmmmm!

Lukery, you may want to provide more links/info on this. I know you have them:-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. LATimes
The LAtimes did some good work on Schmitz

Here's one
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12596
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:05 PM
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29. Interesting.
I know a newspaper editor that wants to challenge Blackwater in NC over a few issues and issued them a challenge interview of some sort. May as well send him that.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:09 PM
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32. Thank You!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:50 PM
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73. Miriam Raftery (Liberty Belle here on DU) has also been covering Blackwater stuff a lot!
... and the angles of how they are trying to get Protero Hill facility here.

You might want to also send her a PM on this too.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:47 PM
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21. C'mon DU
DU the rec count.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:55 PM
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25. what more can be said
we are so screwn
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:00 PM
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28. K&R!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:06 PM
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30. K & R
MSM are Bush whores.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:07 PM
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31. Murdoch Media is such a farce
its pathetic you have to go out of the country to get news
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Coverage by American Conservative!
http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_28/article1.html
January 28, 2008 Issue
Copyright © 2007 The American Conservative



Found in Translation

FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds spills her secrets.

by Philip Giraldi


http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_28/article1.html

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:16 PM
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34. This is good.
Step by step.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Right
...and of course, 6 years to date:-)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Yep.
Patience is a virtue so they say. It's good you have a lot.;-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:47 PM
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40. strong ending
"It’s true that she probably knows only part of the story, but if that part is correct, Congress and the Justice Department should have no higher priority. Nothing deserves more attention than the possibility of ongoing national-security failures and the proliferation of nuclear weapons with the connivance of corrupt senior government officials. "
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Yes, it is.
A quite useful quote I think.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Giraldi
Giraldi has been on this story for a while

He wrote the best piece ever in print
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/05/sibel-giraldi-american-conservative.html
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #44
56. Yes.
Very good.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. Finally! A crack in the dam!
And a conservative magazine at that. :D K&R
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. This magazine was the first to give Karen Kwiatkowski a lot of visibility...
... as the retired Pentagon whistleblower she's been.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Kwiatkowski

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. Yep.
Now that crack needs to spider web some.
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ikri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:30 PM
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37. Which makes things even more bizarre
The Times and The Sunday Times are both owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.

Make of it what you will, it is (in my eyes) absolutely bizarre that Murdoch won't run with this story in the US but has no problem with it in the UK.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:32 PM
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39. I'm wondering if he has that much control over it there...
I don't know what the UK's media ownership laws are, but I'm wondering if there are added restrictions that don't let people like Murdoch as owners to control the content as much as he might like to, and is able to do here in this country. Corporate law has different wrinkles in each country.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:49 PM
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41. FoxNews ran it
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
58. He'd sell his mother to make a dollar.
He's not doing this for nothing, trust me.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:32 PM
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45. I see that Marc Grossman is testifying before Waxman's committee tomorrow AM!
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 06:34 PM by calipendence
The topic is on embassy design.

Is there anyone else on Waxman's committee that might be willing to step up and ask him a "difficult" question on Sibel's assertions and somehow relate it to the committee's topic? We might not get Sibel to testify, but perhaps we could get a "rebellious" congress critter on that committee to ask some "leading questions" that might prompt publicly the need to talk to Sibel later.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/7822
Congress investigates "Fortress America"
Home » blogs » Mike Boyer
Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:41am.

Tomorrow, Jan. 23, the House Subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform will hold a hearing on the future of U.S. embassies overseas entitled, "Fortress America Abroad: Effective Diplomacy and the Future of U.S. Embassies."

Testifying at the hearing will be Jane C. Loeffler, author of the article "Fortress America" in FP's September/October 2007 issue. Jane is without question the world's foremost expert on the cultural and diplomatic impacts of U.S. embassy design and construction overseas. Her FP article, which we are making free this week for non-subscribers, looks at what the billion-dollar compound the United States is building on the banks of the Tigris tells us about America's global outlook. More broadly, she also describes how the architecture of U.S. diplomatic facilities has changed since the bombing of the American missions in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Much of the hearing will likely focus on the new embassy in Baghdad. But it also promises to look into why the design of U.S. missions around the world has undergone such a radical transformation—not just in Baghdad but in Cape Town, Dushanbe, Kabul, and elsewhere. The boldly individual designs of embassies during the Cold War have given way to cookie-cutter buildings that follow a set formula the State Department calls "Standard Embassy Design." This has a massive impact on the way the United States is seen overseas, yet it has provoked surprisingly little serious discussion until now. We're thrilled that Chairman John Tierney's subcommittee has decided to take a closer look. Other witnesses at the hearing include: Amb. Thomas R. Pickering, former undersecretary of state; Amb. Marc Grossman, former director general of the foreign service; and John Naland, president of the American Foreign Service Association.


http://nationalsecurity.oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1690
Wednesday, January 23, 2008
Fortress America Abroad: Effective Diplomacy and the Future of U.S. Embassies

On Wednesday, Jaunary 23, the Subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs will hold a hearing entitled, “Fortress America Abroad: Effective Diplomacy and the Future of U.S. Embassies.”

The hearing will start at 10:00 a.m. in room 2154 of the Rayburn House Office Building. The hearing will also be webcast on this page.

Witness List:

...

Ambassador Marc A. Grossman, former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs (2001-2005), Director General of the Foreign Service, and Ambassador to Turkey. He is currently the Vice Chairman of the Cohen Group and was Co-Chair of the “Embassy of the Future” commission for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, which released its final report late last year.

...


I see that Lantos is also on Waxman's committee, but so is Dennis Kucinich! Maybe we can talk DK to "take a stand" again:

http://oversight.house.gov/about/members.asp
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:40 PM
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46. wow!
that could make for some nervous moments!

how do we 'penetrate' the hearing?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. I vote that a lot of us call in DK's office!
Dennis needs something to get him more visibility anyway. Since his campaign has been shut down completely by the media and the media's now working more full time on trying to marginalize John Edwards instead.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:07 PM
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52. good thinking
nothing like upstaging a congressional hearing accusing a senior administration of treason to get some media attention!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:08 PM
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53. Might also help revive his impeachment hearings too!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:44 PM
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57. Everyone's a winner :-) n/t
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #51
68. thats an excellent idea! n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:47 PM
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48. Hhhhmmmm
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:50 PM
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60. *LOL*,..."embassy design"!!!
:rofl:

Waxman has the perfect opportunity to reveal Mr. GROSSMAN.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:41 PM
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62. Yeah. Meeting over embassy design.
Exactly what someone needs to have concerning Grossman.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:42 PM
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66. Cool, it looks like Brad Friedman has picked up on this idea!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:55 AM
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84. Great!
:thumbsup:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:40 PM
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71. This would make a great OP of its own... nt
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:45 PM by Truth2Tell
Spectacular idea. And if DK won't say something, then maybe Code Pink. :)

Edit to add: Just saw this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3151917
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:46 PM
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72. Brad Friedman is calling for us to "invade" this hearing both here on DU and on bradblog.com
Not sure if he's going after the Kucinich angle as much, but he definitely has the same idea of using the opportunity of Grossman being on the stand in committee for us to get him grilled somehow...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3151917
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:35 PM
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55. K & R. nt.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:45 PM
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59. K & R
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:53 PM
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61. The U.S. MSM won't report about Dick Cheney and the D. C, Madam either. K&R n/t
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:51 PM
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63. Those poor deluded Brits
They still think the purpose of news media is tell the public the truth about what's important for it to know. They haven't even figured out yet that the purpose of news media is to serve as a propaganda channel for the rich, powerful, warmongers, and fascists.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 PM
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64. My Google alerts are increasing.
I view this as a good sign.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:05 PM
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65. Great! Just found this...K&R! n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:46 PM
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67. Important new diary - Bradblog
here it is
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3151917

GRossman will be in DC tomorrow - we wanna start a riot
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:33 PM
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69. is this paragraph coming out
this way on everyone else's computer? It looks like a misprint to me. I've tried reloading several times. What is the actual paragraph lukery?

At the time, Major Douglas Dickerson was working with another of the Washington Post, and we didn't learn about any of this in the US media in 2002. Instead, we are 'learning' it in 2008 from the British press - and still the US media refuses to publish it, which leads me to believe that the American media is not 'incompetent' but rather 'complicit.'


BTW, thanks Sibel and lukery.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:33 AM
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78. shoot!
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:51 AM
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83. Thanks lukery.....
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:36 PM
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70. On CBS's 60 Minutes...
linky :hi:
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:17 AM
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74. kick. The silence by the american corporate media confirms their complicity.
:mad:
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:18 AM
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75. at least they get it right all the other times
:eyes:

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:19 AM
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76. Democrats could bring it up when they are on TV shows.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 12:21 AM by Dr Fate
They could raise cane about it in congress and bring some attention to the issue that way.

LOL! Just kidding. Off the table, dry powder, etc. Blame the GOP owned media for not promoting scandals against themselves.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:12 AM
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77. K&R n/t
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:23 AM
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79. I don't know that it will help, but I know a reporter at my local paper
and I sent it to him. If he can't do it, maybe he knows someone. He does seem to be a really nice guy who is on our side. Our paper was one of the very first to write an editorial saying the troops should just be brought home now, and our city was the first to vote for a resolution against war with Iran, so it can't hurt to try.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:56 AM
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85. Is your paper owned by a larger entity or is it entirely local?
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:55 AM
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80. K&R
The press is more free in Russia now.Imagine.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:35 AM
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81. K&R
Thanks, alittle more good news.

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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:41 AM
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82. k+r
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:14 AM
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86. K & R
bookmarking.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:25 AM
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87. K&R
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:01 AM
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89. Amazing how silent the liberal media is.
Well, not really. :-(
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:15 AM
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90. US Media is complicit. And their target is not the rest of the world,
which has known for a long time that the US is the originator of their own problems, but Americans. And not just any Americans, but Americans who rely on domestic news for all their information.

I might add at this point, that, between Democrats and Republicans, people who have passports, and are more likely to travel, tend to vote Democratically. They have a much broader view of the world. On the other hand, Republicans are the kind of people who accepted Bush's war on Iraq, even with all the lies, because, "atleast we're safe within our borders." If our world economy wasn't headed in a global direction, that kind of comment might not disturb as much.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 AM
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91. Sibel - Is she that pregnant chick, who went to the hospital and then to rehab
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:18 AM by paparush
cause she gained a lot of weight after her boyfriend broke up with her and she was voted off that show, but she's going to get a Super Bowl Half Time spot?
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:49 AM
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92. K & R
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:02 AM
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93. Time for Morning Kicks
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 AM
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94. K&R
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:00 AM
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95. Thank you, lukery !
K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:29 AM
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96. .
:kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:05 AM
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97. Sheesh, even the John Birch Society has something about it.
Where's the "liberal" media?

http://www.jbs.org/node/6932
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:16 AM
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98. Sibel gets Buzzflash's "Wings of Justice" award -- and link is on Buzzflash home page at top
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:24 AM
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99. GREAT post lukery. Thanks!
Bookmarked because it's gonna take a while to go thru all the links.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:34 AM
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100. Franklin spy scandal?
Lukery, do you know of any connections b/t Edmonds' experience and the Franklin spy scandal ... giving info to Israel via AIPAC, negotiating with Ghorbanifar?

Laura Rozen (War and Piece) did a lot of work on this for liberal magazines.

Franklin worked for Douglas Feith.. worked at both the State Dept. and the Pentagon. Who, after having been convicted of violating the Espionage Act of 1917 was NOT FIRED!! - but demoted to a position w/o access to classified info. Pollard was convicted of the same crime and received a life sentence.

This admin. is so corrupt it makes my head want to explode.

The Jerusalem Post reported that the purpose of the meetings was to "undermine a pending deal that the White House had been negotiating with the Iranian government", specifically, an exchange of high-ranking al-Qaeda members in Iranian custody in return for a stop to U.S. support of the anti-Iranian Mujahideen al-Khalq fighters in Iraq.<6>broken link The Post article dated the beginning of the FBI investigation to this secret meeting, which the public first learned about in August 2003

The Franklin spy scandal also relates to the Office of Special Plans (Rummy, Cheney, Wolfie, FEITH AND PERLE, among others) who met with Israeli Generals off the record, as Kwiatkowski revealed, and who used faked intel to justify the invasion of Iraq. Seymour Hersh wrote about the OSP too.

from wiki-

Journalist Jim Lobe suggests that the Franklin story is part of a larger investigation into transfer of sensitive military and dual-use technologies to Israel, including powerful case-management software. A concern is that Israeli companies have sold on sensitive U.S.-derived technology to potential U.S. strategic rivals such as Russia and China, and possibly on the black market where it can potentially be obtained by terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda.<16>

One motive for Israel to be chummy with info to people in Turkey is this - via The Jerusalem Post

Turkey and Israel are negotiating the construction of a multi-million-dollar energy and water project that will transport water, electricity, natural gas and oil by pipelines to Israel, with the oil to be sent onward from Israel to the Far East, Antalya Mayor Menderes Turel said this week.

The proposal was confirmed by senior officials in the National Infrastructure Ministry.


It seems to me that, in addition to gaining info about Iran and attempting to make them target #2, this deal might include something like... oh, I dunno, weapons and nuclear tech. to Turkey via spying in the U.S. for Israel in order for Israel to have one of the biggest emerging powers supply gas, water and oil. Turkey wants into the EU, so they might benefit from this deal in that sense as well?

Just speculation on my part, but it seems to fit awfully well with the little info I know about Edmonds' situation.

(and, to make clear- I am not anti-semetic, I do not endorse the elimination of Israel, but every nation has dirty dealers in it. To deny otherwise is ridiculous, so don't accuse me of anything of the sort, to whomever might think that's a good tactic to distract, or who might simply be knee-jerking an issue.)

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kenoma Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:01 PM
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103. Franklin is in Sibel's Rogues' Gallery
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:00 PM
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108. sorry to be so stupid, but I do not know who many of those ppl are
I recognize 1-Perle, then only the second face is familiar but cannot name him. 5-Scowcroft (sp?), then 7 is Hastert, 8th head is a leg. but his name escapes me, 9 is Burton, next two that aren't a ? I don't know. Next is Steven Solarz? NY?

I also don't recog. the last six

Is Franklin #3?

I think Lukery should email Laura Rozen about this. She's a very good journalist who was not afraid to take on AIPAC.

Speaking of Ghorbanifar, how ironic, or sick, actually, to use the same go-between as they used when selling weapons to Iran in return for the release of the hostages and for the republican's candidate, Ronnie Raygun, presidency. Israel as a conduit in return for cooperation b/t Turkey and Israel over gas, oil and water access. Hey, other countries have invaded countries on false pretense for the same thing... ahem.

And agents (as in powers) in both Israel and Turkey could, in turn, sell these procurements to known al-qaeda supporters. Or maybe some of the money went through Islamic charities, or maybe through Riggs Bank, like Pincochet's laundered money.

friends and enemies are not as black and white as the Bush League wants Americans to think, esp. where the Bush family and Ghorbanifar are concerned.

Didn't someone also meet with Gh. in Italy? And then the fake letter at the Nigerian Embassy showed up to confirm the yellow cake lie? And if the neo-cons outed Plame (and killed allies in who knows where) the issue was not about putting Wilson in his place, but about Wilson as a threat, along with Plame, as much as she could say under the terms of her employment, exposing their actions.

Since the same players and related issues are involved over and over in these cases, it seems to be an interesting "coincidence." And the fact that Franklin is still allowed to work for the u.s. govt. is sick. You know Cheney had a hand in it or else Franklin would be gone.

Where is Richard Helms when you need him? oh yeah, he's dead. But his daughter, Leila, was supposedly negotiating with the Taliban concerning the gas pipeline there... ah, the family bizness...

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:17 PM
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104. I still to this day find what appeared to be Google censorship of "Sibel Edmonds" search hits...
for about a month at the time Larry Franklin was arrested to be very suspicious. The links of her story and his arrest seem clearer now, but one has to wonder if his involvement is a key to unlock a lot of what she's been trying to say.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:44 AM
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101. 85th rec
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 12:57 PM
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102. K&R, on the way to 100+ recs.
Thank you so much.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:28 PM
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105. "US journalists have been either too lazy, or complicit..."
I vote for "complicit"

Rest in peace, America.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:33 PM
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106. The silence of the US media
on just about every issue of importance is a criminal conspiracy. People need to be standing outside the corporate media headquarters and shutting down the offices. They're not doing anything worthwhile for the people anyway. They serve the interests of power at the expense of the folks, many of who are hurting badly.

K&R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:47 PM
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107. K&R
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:42 PM
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109. kick! n/t
:hi:
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