What are your thoughts about this tirade against DK by Kos?

[WI_DEM]

www.dailykos.com

right at the top (at the moment).

It is a bit overboard, but the one thing I agree with is that he really should have (especially in '06) taken a chance and run for Governor of Ohio or US Senator especially when Dems had a good chance of winning both offices in Ohio. His presidential candidacy would be taken more seriously as a Senator or Governor.

[quinnox]

1. he is full of it

If it isn't Kucinich then it is Hillary Clinton the target of his daily tantrums. I avoid that site whenver possible.

[Vanje]

2. Last week Edwards was in the crosshairs

He's an equal opportunity tirader.

He makes good points.
Its not pleasant to read, but its important to know.
I dont want to find out during the general election campain season, the dem candidates short-comings.
I want to see the candidates warts NOW.

[Ian David]

3. I like Kucinich as a person. But if we were to go on a cross-country buddy roadtrip...

I wouldn't trust him to take the wheel. I might let him work the radio, though.

I think Kos got it right.

Still, if Kucinich got the nomination, I'd vote for him over anyone the Repubickkk Party could possibly field.

[roody]

4. Kucinich's beliefs are more palatable

than the fairy tales the "Christians" believe. Also I want Elizabeth K. for first lady. Unfortunately, I will not be able to vote for them in the primary. I am registered otherwise.

[bryant69]

17. Fairy tales?

[roody]

26. Jesus died a brutal, tortured death

on a cross so that I can live happily ever after in heaven. I believe that is the story that Hillary, Obama, et al, subscribe to.

[bryant69]

32. Yes - and plenty of people besides them

Including a few who post right here at Democratic Underground.

Bryant

[Cobalt Violet]

5. My thoughts are ....

Kos is an ass. DK is still my choice.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. How eloquent.

Care to rebut any of the claims specifically?

[Cobalt Violet]

12. I was asked for my thoughts.

That's what I gave. I don't think the op expected a literary work from me. And no thanks, I rather not waste my time it would take to "rebut any claims specifically".

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. Then don't ask to be taken very seriously. (nt)

[Cobalt Violet]

15. I didn't.

[Dr.Phool]

6. Some truths, half truths, and distortions.

I really liked Kucinich when he was Mayor. But, he did rub everyone in town the wrong way. Especially the corporate fat cats. And he did appoint a lot of young, inexperienced people in high positions. Some worked out, some didn't.

The Shirley McClain stuff is true, and kinda wacky. The Department of Peace was an idea that originated after the Vietnam war, and it was Congress, not Kucinich who proposed it.

He had a Chief of Staff who unplugged radio stations mics he didn't like. I forget his name, and I'm not sure it's the same guy at Corporate Crime Report.

[TahitiNut]

7. Sometimes cynicism impedes improvement.

Which is worse? Changing one's position on abortion or claiming that one's vote to give an obvious liar the superficial authority to illegally invade another country was a "mistake"??

Regarding the tirade on 'faith' - it seems that Kos is conflating moral principles with some sectarian advocacy. The underlying reason people have gravitated to candidates with some demonstrated subscription to a mainstream religion is the perceived assurance that they'd also subscribe to the moral tenets of such a religion - affording the public some reason to place greater trust in that candidate's "inner compass" than another without such a demonstrable subscription. This, of course, opens the door to those with the greatest skill in hypocrisy since their footprints are rarely examined to see if they've "walked the walk."

I think Kos is "thinking off" - engaging in mental masturbation driven by cynicism.

[EFerrari]

8. Who is that? n/t

:)

[Swamp Rat]

20. Yeah, who is Kos?

:+

[EFerrari]

21. Hey, you! Is this retro enough?

[Swamp Rat]

23. Groovy!

Is this for a project on which you are working?

[EFerrari]

24. There is no impeachment group in San Francisco!

So, we make one. Yeah, I need two designs for tees, one sort of like this and one with a dinner place setting "Nancy, set the table!"

:evilgrin:

[Swamp Rat]

28. Here ya go:

It's the best I can do with the limited fonts and filters I have, but I hope it helps. ;)

[EFerrari]

29. LOL! That's beautiful!

:rofl:

We'll use it!

:loveya:

[Swamp Rat]

30. Great

any requests/changes you'd like?

[EFerrari]

31. Nah! I want one shirt to just have the site addy on it.

Perfecto!

Thank you.

:hug:

[yurbud]

9. at first Democratic candidate beauty pageants, Kucinich nailed it: he was right before it was cool

and when it was actually dangerous.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. It's disappointing but everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[MamaBear]

13. It's a non-event.

Dennis's supporters are aware of his background, and we have factored it into our analysis.

What do I think of Kos? He's getting too big for his britches.

Edited for typo.

[bryant69]

18. That's true of many liberal bloggers

Except me of course - I'm too wonderful to get arrogant.

Bryant

[bryant69]

16. That's not going to be popular around here

I don't know - I'd like the boundaries of our political discourse to shift to allow Kucinich access to the mainstream - he's certainly as mainstream as such politicians as Karl Rove or Tom Delay or Newt Gingrich. We have a debate in this country that goes from Moderate liberal through ultra extremist conservative - that sucks.

So for that reason I would like to see Kucinich do well - he's the only solid liberal in the race.

That said I would prefer to vote for Al Gore or John Edwards or Barak Obama in the general election.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[moi]

34. I like how you put it :)

It makes sense to have as many Kucinich delegates to the
convention as possible. I feel that it will be the only way
that the Democratic Party will wake up and take a strong
stance on substantive issues, and a stand to the side of the
working people and not of the corporate interest. 

The Kucinich campaign needs volunteers and money to keep
going... if you are not ready to give your time and effort or
some $$$$, then at least let your voice be heard :)

Peace with Justice!
!Si se puede!
Marcos

[johnnie]

19. I kind of like the idea of a Department of Peace

Over 5000 years of bonking each other over the heads for shiny things and the idea of peace is still looked at as kookie. I don't get it.

I have always liked Kucinich, many people like "politics as usual" though.

[RestoreGore]

22. Daily Kos is overrated n/t

[charlie]

25. I still like Kooch

I could do without some of his new-agey stuff, and watched him warily for a while after his conversion to Choice. But I'm happy when he makes a prez run. I can cast a primary vote that says, these are the issues that matter, these are the ideas I want heard, moreso than with any other candidate.

It's kind of a small irony that a guy who was a Republican during Reagan-Bush and switched right after he barely missed getting deployed to Iraq, is giving Kucinich a hard time about flip-floppery.

[Beelzebud]

27. Typical Kos. He thinks he gets to decide who the "cool kids" are.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

33. Not sure I agree

with the word tirade. He (Kos) explains pretty clearly what he sees. I like what Dennis stands for. But he hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.............. :shrug:

[Reterr]

35. Marcos is fast becoming insufferable

He had a tirade against environmental groups a day after the 06 election-something about how they never help Dems, though most of the major groups endorse Dems 90+% of the time.
If some enviro group didn't want to endorse a handful "outlier" Dems like Landrieu or Nelson, I couldn't say I really blame them.

[KharmaTrain]

36. Damn If Kos Speaks Reality...Damn Him

I admire some of what Cong. Kucinich stands for, but to consider him anything more than a protest candidate downplays any value he current or could have to the upcoming campaign. While I enjoy hearing him tear Repugnican asshole on the House floor...and he should continue to do that for many, many years to come...the issue Kos brings up is that silly thing called "electability". Kos, like many, are fed up with losing "on principle" which has led to a lot of the mess we're in.

The points Kos brings up are straight up. He didn't trash Kucinich, just brought out things about his career that would be brought up at a later date. His tenure as Cleveland mayor and his flip-flop on abortion would be fodder for Faux and, sadly, all the rhetoric in the world on Mr. Kucinich's part wouldn't make it go away. Also, his lack of statewide and national experience would mean he'd have a lot of "on the job" learning to do...with few political allies. Do we want another "learning curve"?

I'm blissfully non-committed to any candidate and will remain so...my focus is on supporting a new crop of Progressive congresional candidates for '08...and to support the Democratic party in maintaining and increasing our majorities next year. Leave the presidential horserace to the cable networks...they need something to do besides report "news".