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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:53 PM
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I have to say this, Hillary is pretty tough!
I haven't chosen any candidate to back yet. I've just been observing. Perhaps I'm to left because I like Kucinich and Edwards. But while observing all of the yin and yang of the candidates on DU, I've come to the conclusion that Hillary is pretty tough.

I put her in the category of Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi and so many more. Politics in the United States is a heavyweight fight. A presidential politician has to be able to take a lot of punches and low blows. A lot of Americans men or women don't have the stomach for it. Win or lose, I've come to see Hillary as a tough American politician.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:56 PM
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1. Oh, but she's so unfeminine and non-human, then! [sarcasm] Love your avatar, btw. nt
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:59 PM
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2. Tough as nails.
How else could she survive so many years of Repub attacks?

It seems that the more that is thrown at her, the tougher she becomes.

She's also a workhorse. She seems to outwork everyone else in the room.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:01 PM
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3. Absofreakinlutely
All the personality qualities in Hillary that others seem to hate are one I absolutely adore. The woman is "take no prisoners". She will step over your dead body to get to where she wants to go if she has to. Hillary is not my first pick, but I won't have to hold my nose at all to vote for her in the general. I so admire her, in a personal sense.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:07 PM
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4. Hillary
doesn't inspire me...but I'm reassured that she's got what it takes to do the job and do it well.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:09 PM
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5. I'm no fan of Hillary by any stretch of the imagination but...
I find myself defending her on a personal level more and more every day and I kind of feel sorry for her in the sense that anyone can feel sorry for someone willingly running for public office. Maybe I'm picking up on sexist attitudes more these days but I can't stand the bullshit people spew when they start calling her "too cold" or "too emotional" after the crying episode. If you have a problem with a candidate, fine, but judge her by her message and not by her "attempt to show cleavage". I do get what you are saying though, I do admire her toughness.

This is coming from an Edwards supporter
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:14 PM
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7. Except that she never cried at all. Her voice softened and caught
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:15 PM by tblue37
for perhaps two seconds. That's all. But the MSM has spread the "crying" meme so incessantly that people seem to think she sobbed and let the tears flow.

I loved Jon Stewart's bit where he showed all the screaming headlines and pontificating pundits going on about her "crying" and whether it would sink her campaign. Then he showed the clip--wherein she does not cry at all but merely softens her voice for a second as though there is a bit of a catch in her throat--and he said in disbelief, "That's it?!"

In other words, there was no "crying episode."
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:22 PM
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11. exactly, that's the point
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:23 PM by Reverend_Smitty
no matter what she does, she can't win in the eyes of the media. If she's not an ice queen, she's an emotional wreck. I understand that people have to put of with a ton of bullshit when they run for public office and I'm sure the candidates understand this but people just seem to viscerally hate Hillary and I really don't know why. I have to think it is some sort of deep seeded sexism in our collective consciousness, people are threatened by a powerful woman. To those who don't believe in that just ask our last female presid...oh wait...lol

Oh and if I come across anyone who says to me that Hillary can't be president because her female hormones make her unsafe with the bomb codes...they will get kneed in the junk by me ;)
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:16 PM
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9. Hillary seems to be a BUILDER and possesses a desire to IMPROVE, SOLVE
Most of the Types found in the PUB RANKS are Whiners and DESTROYERs....they win by using neg tactics....

Hill is gonna sweep the election in a Landslide...


Them Pubs have blown the Opportunity Entrusted to them over the past 16 years...a trail of mistakes and misery
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:14 PM
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6. LOL
I misread your title as Hillary is pretty tonight! But yes, she is tough.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:08 PM
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23. LOL! Hillary is always pretty, IMHO. However, she should
wear royal blue as often as she can. She looks absolutely gorgeous in that color. Also all shades of green and blue, though they are not as dramatic as the royal blue. I remember fondly how beautiful she looked at Bill's first inauguration in that gorgeous blue lace dress. It was the first one, wasn't it? Of course, it's now in the Smithsonian. I hope the first female President inauguration gown soon joins that Smithsonian display.

Yeah, unashamedly, I love Hillary.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:16 PM
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8. If anything, her as the nominee.....

would be fun to watch her take people the Repugs apart, she seems to be pretty good at it.

I suspect the Republican nominee would be shit scared of her. I know i would had i to face her in an election.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:18 PM
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10. I'd like to see the GOP
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:19 PM by maddiejoan
try to steal the election from her.

Does anyone see Hillary rolling over for an election theft?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:22 PM
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12. She is the one to take on the GOP.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:23 PM
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13. She has no finesse. We've had 'tough' for 7 years, now we need diplomatic.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:44 PM
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16. My post was not a promotion, just an observation!
You read too much into it.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:34 PM
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14. When you follow her public presence from the her graduation
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:35 PM by JohnnyLib2
address (1969) right through the latest debate, there is no other conclusion.

:kick:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:36 PM
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15. "I put her in the category of Golda Mier, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi "...How'z that?
:wtf:

What has she achieved for you to say that? :eyes:
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:48 PM
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18. Unless those other societies gave women an easy pass to political
success, I expect that each had to overcome significant resistance. By getting this far I think that Hillary has that quality. Now she still has to be elected and be a worthy administrator to sit along-side these women in a historical sense.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:30 PM
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25. What did those women achieve before they were put into office?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:47 PM
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17. I'd prefer some human decency in a leader to "toughness".
I mean, if we must have "leaders".

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L. Mencken
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:49 PM
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19. How she governs is another matter. I'm just commenting on her being
a candidate.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:53 PM
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20. That's where I ended up too and I used to be an 'anybody but HIllary" voter
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:59 PM
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21. I would prefer her to not to talk around issues. I could be a supporter
if I knew where she stood on issues. On the other hand, I thought that Kerry allowed himself to be boxed in as a "flip flopper." Who doesn't want a candidate who reassesses a position, based on new information. Bush* doesn't allow any information in, how's he doing?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:06 PM
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22. I was imaging the future with McCain as the Republican nominee
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 03:12 PM by goodgd_yall
and how a debate would go between him and Obama and McCain and Clinton. I could see Clinton slapping down McCain, but Obama---I'm thinking, he wouldn't come out on top in a debate with McCain. He tends to stutter when under pressure and that's seen as uncertainty by most people. I've see Hillary in her role as Senator and she's tough. Obama is more of a head person which is a quality that I don't think is that effective in a debate. With his message of uniting the country and working with Republicans, will he have enough fire to respond to Republican attacks?
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:24 PM
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24. I would agree, but in the debates Hillary has been a little unsure of
her positions too. I remember how she became flustered with the New York drivers license question.
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