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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:45 PM
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What Exactly Is a "Jesuitical Argument"?
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 07:34 PM by CorpGovActivist
Yikes.

I'm re-watching the interview that Senator Clinton gave on MTP from earlier today, and the series of questions about her IWR vote produced this quote:

"You know, look, judgment is not a single snapshot. Judgment is what you do across the course of your life and your career ..."

Russert tries to ask a follow-up, and the two talk over each other for a moment.

"You know, well, you know, Tim, we could have this - uh - Jesuitical - uh - argument about what exactly was meant. You know, when Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution said it was not a vote for war, when I was told directly by the White House in response to my question - if you are given this authority, will you put the inspectors in and permit them to finish their job - I was told that's exactly what we intended to do. Now, I think it's important to take a look at the entire context here. If Senator Obama is gonna get credit for his speech and his position against the war, then he deserves to be asked what happened in Oh-3, Oh-4, Oh-5, Oh-6, and Oh-7."

Oh, brother.

But wouldn't that devolve into a Jesuitical Argument?

- Dave

P.S. On edit, here is the MTP page with the Netcast and transcript.

P.P.S. On further edit, I thought just about everyone knew about Tim Russert's Catholic upbringing, education, and background, given his frequent mentions of Sister Lucille. Edited to provide that additional context.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:49 PM
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1. Jesuit priests are noted for teaching logic and debate.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. A Damn Fine Education, Too...
... and a bit of a swipe at Russert, methinks.

- Dave
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:12 PM
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15. I graduated from a Jesuit university, and I have to agree.
A damn fine education!

They want people to think for themselves, to make logical, educated arguments, and to not accept something just because some "authority" says it's so.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Funny Guys, Too!
Once you get to know one, it quickly becomes apparent that there's humor there.

- Dave
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:17 PM
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18. Absolutely!
One of my profs (a Jesuit), who is now president of that university, cracked me up one day.

We'd gotten to be friends, and we were having coffee one day, and I asked him why he decided on the priesthood. Without skipping a beat, he said, "Because I couldn't get a date in high school."

:rofl:

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Some of the Most Pleasant Evenings I've Spent...
... have been spent bent over a chessboard, nursing a beverage, and cursing a Jesuit (figuratively, not literally, of course).

; )

- Dave
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:15 PM
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31. Don't you find your statement rather contradictory?
You said "and to not accept something just because some "authority" says it's so."

Your statement strikes me as ironic considering the Roman Catholic Church's reliance on authority, Papal infallibility, etc. Indeed, the entire structure of the Church seems to be built on the idea of accepting the edicts of it's authorities.

My guess is that any Jesuit Priest that questions the authority of the Church a little too much, wouldn't be a Jesuit Priest for long.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. In My Experience with Jesuit Priests...
... I have found them to be extremely open to criticisms of the Church, and often among the most erudite and effective critics of the system from within the system.

- Dave
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:34 PM
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33. Sure, up to a point.
They may question or criticize some aspect or tenet of the Church, but ultimately, they must have confidence and faith in the complete authority of the Church.
If not, they could just be Protestants.

Or worse. :)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. "Or worse." It's a Slippery Slope...
:toast:

; )

Some make it to the bottom of the ravine, and live to tell about it.

- Dave
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #32
82. Yes. I have to agree
they're often the mavericks in a hierarchy getting ever more moribund. Which has been what's made them good educators.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:12 AM
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Sharp as Tacks, and They Play Excellent Games of Chess, to Boot
They always seem to know the best "hole in the wall" good eats, too.

Many I've spoken with are truly saddened by the current state of the institution.

- Dave
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:08 AM
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91. My dad was educated by Jesuits, and never failed to
tell us about what a good education they provide!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #91
92. I'd Entrust My Kids to Their Schooling...
... in large part because it really does force one to think for oneself.

- Dave
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #32
85. Jesuits now aren't what they used to be
They used to be a holy terror!

Woe to the Czech protestant who ran into them in the wake of the 30 years war.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. Well, You Know What They Say...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:17 AM by CorpGovActivist


"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

- Dave
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:18 AM
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87. Well over in another thread someone is telling me jesuits were not inquisitors but victims
Now I know that the inquisition was most often run by Dominicans, but Jesuits participated in very similar things, and as perpetrators.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #87
88. That Would Be a Dominicanical Argument, Right?
; )

- Dave
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #88
89. I think the Domincan (or Dominicanian/Dominicanical argument) is...
This is new. It must be wrong! Dominicans are still sore over the promulgation of the Assumption by Pius XII in 1950
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. When Python Speaks Ex Cathedra...
... I kneel and obey.

- Dave
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #31
83. Especially considering that Ignatius Loyola's 13th rule
Thirteenth Rule. To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it, believing that between Christ our Lord, the Bridegroom, and the Church, His Bride, there is the same Spirit which governs and directs us for the salvation of our souls. Because by the same Spirit and our Lord Who gave the ten Commandments, our holy Mother the Church is directed and governed.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/loyola-spirex.htm...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. Maybe Hillary Is Communing with Him to Run Her Campaign?
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:15 AM by CorpGovActivist
Eleanor Roosevelt and Ignatius Loyola - war council from the beyond.

- Dave
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #15
44. Dangerous ideas.... logical argument and reason.
All it took was 4 years of a Jesuit High School and I learned religion is superstition. One year at a Jesuit University iced that cake!
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:50 PM
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3. enjoy!
http://dailycon.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/jesuitical /

Very early, owing in part to English Protestant propagandists, the word Jesuitical came to characterize a form of argument designed less to seek the truth than to make a case, a form of argument that was aggressive and clever but perhaps not always sincere - indeed, one that was at times cunningly equivocal or downright deceitful. Aside from pure anti-Jesuit animus, this nuance probably arose from the work of some 17th-century Jesuit theologians who imperfectly employed a method known as casuistry in resolving questions of moral theology - an approach that gave the broadest possible leeway to individual behavior. This form of justification, which became known as laxism, may explain why Jesuit priests were the confessors of choice among Europes Catholic aristocracy.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. The Counter-Reformation Is a Favorite Period of History for Me...
... but I am more interested in its context and meaning on today's interview.

- Dave
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. In context
I would imagine Senator Clinton meant an endless hashing over little details.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. Given Russert's Frequent Mention of His Jesuit Education...
... I thought it was an intentional barb.

Very shrewd move, two days before she faces Russert at the debates.

- Dave
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. didn't know that about Russert's education
wonder if Russert took it as jab --or a compliment to his education then?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. View for Yourself...
... the link is in the OP.

- Dave
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:51 PM
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4. Long-winded, not long
"Jesuitical" is like "sesquipedalian" or "recherche".

Parsing Obama's words in his absence is "Jesuitical". Asking him about his votes directly is not.

Hillary is getting slammed for a position that is not substantially different than Obama's; of course she's going to raise the point.

I don't hold support for the war against either of them. I kept up with the votes, and they were can't-win situations tailored to make the GOP look good at the expense of the Democratic Party. All the talk about backbone and principles is hot air; if you don't win, you don't govern.

--p!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #4
26. "if you don't win, you don't govern"
Very true.

- Dave
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:52 PM
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6. That would depend on what the meaning of "is" is. nt
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Touche!
:rofl:

- Dave
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. I thought an example was called for.
Dumbsfeldt was a superb source of jesuitical arguments too.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. And a Stunningly Jesuitical Example It Was, at That! n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #21
38. Jesuitical Argument = slow motion train wreck.......n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. I Think by Tuesday Night, She Regrets Saying It... n/t
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
99. Bill Clinton graduated from Georgetown, a Jesuit university.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #99
100. LOL! Maybe It's a Deeper Freudian Slip on Her Part Than First Suspected!!!
:rofl:

- Dave
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:56 PM
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9. Interesting choice of words.
_"Jesuitic"_. -- 2. One given to subtle _casuistry_.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Good Hangover Cure, Too
; )

- Dave
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #12
77. ?
Dumb or nave... I don't get it. :shrug:

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #77
79. Practicing Casuistry...
... sounds like the "perfect" cure for a hangover!

; )

"Leave me alone, I want to die. That's my thesis, and you'd be unethical to deny it"

(Overheard in a college dorm, circa 1994.)

- Dave
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #79
93. Got it!
I missed the college dorm experience, so couldn't make the connection. :D

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #93
94. College Not Required...
... for hangover-induced practice of the art.

; )

- Dave
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:07 PM
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11. My wife's reaction to the interview was that Hillary is a "clear
thinker." I was also impressed. Russert was playing checkers with his usual "gotchas" and Hillary was playing chess. She won.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. "... and we'll see you Tuesday night in Nevada."
I would bet my bottom dollar that Russert and his research staff go "Jesuitical" in the next two days, to hurl a brushback pitch at her with respect to a triangulation - er, answer - she gave today.

- Dave
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
28. Yep... And Just Wait fer Ole Pro John Edwards to UnMask The Phonies in what is now a debate
environment free of distractions and just the three of them... Should be a clinic! :kick: 'em Johnny!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. And We All Get to "Audit" His Seminar, with the Only Prereq Being...
... eyes, ears, open mind, and - optionally -

:popcorn:

- Dave
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. I agree with your wife. And she is very intelligent.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Yeah, It Was a Masterstroke to Take a Jab...
... at Catholic voters.

- Dave
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. You are just a sad little insecure fellow. The exact type who
obsesses of Senator Clinton.Truly pathetic
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. No, I'm a Reformed Hillary Clinton Supporter...
... who could no longer keep his blinders on.

- Dave
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. good for you
welcome to reality! Scary as it is.

:toast:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Facts Are Stubborn Things...
... and the enormous well of goodwill I had stored up for her was simply exhausted by repeated reference to facts.

:toast:

- Dave
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
35. I like that description
bang on.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Too Bad She Only Sees a Single Plane of the Board...
... and Mark Penn might - MIGHT - have one square in his view.



- Dave
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:19 PM
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37. Maybe she didn't know the mic was on?
She could appeal to Reagan Lovers by playing it off as an unknown open mic.

Ides
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #37
60. Enjoy the Reagan MX Missile Mix
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:13 AM
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39. Oh please, it's akin to: The Talmudic Splitting of Hairs
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #39
40. Is that like Tantric Tweezing of the Nosehairs?
:9
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #40
41. i do have a *tantric pic* but it will get this thread locked...
:wow: :blush: :)
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. Oh, the things you learn about your fellow DUers on here.
Do tell.



Ides
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. well, alright, maybe just this once...enjoy!
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #45
49. My eyes! My eyes!
It burns, it burns!

Now that you have sullied me, will you make an honest man out of me?

Ides
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #49
55. "sullied", I love that line from Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest
I think it is, when Davey Jones shakes, well 'shakes' but he does so with his tentacles & goo Jack Sparrow's hand, but then Sparrow says, "Mr. Gibbs, I feel sullied and unusual." a great line imo :hi:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. I went as Cap'n Jack last Halloween.
"You're not a eunuch are you?"

"All by me onesies."



Ides
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. a great film character, word was Depp went into the casting sessions...
with nealy all gold teeth, the studio guys were all, "Uh...we're not sure." Depp started pulling out the so-called gold till he got it down to where they were comfortable and the rest is film & popcorn history :hi:

"You want to know me?"
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. "I definitely deserved that."
:rofl:

You're quick on the draw.

Ides
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #62
64. then cheers it is...
:toast:
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. "But how's your footwork?"
:toast:

Ides
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #62
75. I Do Believe...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:30 AM by CorpGovActivist
... you should quit while you're ahead. You just may be outmatched. She has you on the ropes.

:spray:

:popcorn:

- Dave
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IdesOfOctober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. You know about IMDB, right?
http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=pirates+of+the+car

The quotes for each movie are a study in hilarity.

I doff my hat to thee.

Ides
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:34 AM
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46. Ya Know, She Totally Kicked Ass This Morning. That Must Be Eating You Up Inside.
Just sayin...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. She Snarked from a Position of Strength, No Doubt about It...
... she was on a roll.

The "disciplined candidate" thing strikes again.

- Dave
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #48
51. Eatttttttttin Ya Up Inside. LOL
:rofl:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. You're Projecting...
... your issues onto a surface that doesn't reflect them.

- Dave
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:49 AM
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56. Eatttttttin Ya Up Inside, That Competent Performance From Her Is.
I can hear ya munchin on your TUMS all the way over here!

And for the record, your surface may not reflect, but it most certainly is transparent...

Nighty nite!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:51 AM
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58. Nitey Nite! n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #56
63. BTW, Thanks for the Jesuitical Argument!
:rofl:

:hug:

- Dave
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #63
68. LOL No Problem!
:)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. As a "Case in Point," This One May Have Been...
... a DUzy.

:rofl:

; )

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:38 AM
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47. Not an official definition, but I think of it as an argument that resorts to such absurd degrees of
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:39 AM by scarletwoman
minutia that only a full-throated and impassioned exclamation of "WTF?", and the immediate exit from the field of rhetorical combat will preserve one's sanity.

But, I'm not a Jesuit.

(Raised Roman Catholic -- but I moved on.)

sw
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. Good Practical Working Definition!
But was it a regret-inducing comment, given Russert's background?

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:05 AM
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67. I didn't watch MTP this morning, so I am unable to answer your question. (nt)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:10 AM
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71. Don't Run for Office...
... that answer will *never* do if you're a candidate.

; )

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:18 AM
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73. Don't intend to. But if I did, I'd want to have Timmeh's balls for breakfast on national TV
for all to see. I have an extremely low tolerance for bullshit.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:20 AM
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74. But You Didn't Say "No," You Talked about "Intent" - ARE YOU RUNNING?
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:20 AM by CorpGovActivist
:rofl:

; )

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:32 AM
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76. I'll have to consult with my strategists and pollsters -- I'll get back to you. (nt)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:07 AM
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80. So You've Established an Exploratory Committee; Come on, That's NOT A NO!
:rofl:

(Maybe you *should* run, after all.)

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:47 PM
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95. You offer it to me freely. I cannot deny that my heart has greatly desired this.
In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Treacherous as the seas! Stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair...

;)
sw
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:48 PM
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96. Aw, Come on, Galadriel: You KNOW That's Not a Sherman Statement!
:rofl:

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:51 PM
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101. Sherman will make his statement AFTER Mr. Peabody instructs him on where to set the WABAC Machine.
You are SO pushy!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:17 PM
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102. "I'm just doing my job, ma'am."
As for the WABAC Machine, savvy intellectual property proprietors talk to Archive.org to remove / block archiving.

- Dave
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 AM
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52. That's right. It's legalistic with one more syllable and a collar. n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 AM by sfexpat2000
/oops
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:47 AM
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54. *puzzled look*
???

:freak:

- Dave
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:42 AM
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78. The term is just a more figurative way to mean "legalistic".
:)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:08 AM
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81. Oh, I Thought It Was Dirty
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:09 AM by CorpGovActivist
:spray:

Now I get it.

I was trying to figure out a suffix for legalistic that involved a "collar" - YIKES.

- Dave
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:12 AM
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72. LOL! That works quite well. (nt)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:04 AM
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66. Its when you have to take 1/2 hour explaining your vote
because the simple truth is that you voted the wrong way. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem to work well with voters.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:08 AM
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69. Maybe She Can Revise and Expand Her Remarks in the Congressional Record...
... to make it clearer. My vote is for her to have the opportunity to do so all the way thru the end of her current Senate term.

- Dave
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:17 PM
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98. Only those voters who demand bumper sticker philosophies
Some of us can actually listen to an answer longer than ten words. Simple truth is an oxymoron.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:13 PM
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97. Maybe it has to do with consistent thinking.
For example, if being against the war is the correct position, then so would be voting against funding it. Even though I'm Catholic, I still think it's a stretch to compare this with a Jesuit school background. The explanation I gave you is the only thing I can think of of what he might have meant.
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