Are you going to vote for the Democratic Nominee on November 4, 2008?

[RiverStone]

Poll question: Are you going to vote for the Democratic Nominee on November 4, 2008?

I have faith when the dust settles on the primaries and we have a nominee out of our Convention this August, that we will close ranks and support the Democratic candidate for President!

And you?

Yes or...

:kick: :grouphug: :kick: :pals: :kick:

[GCP]

1. Yes - are you fuckin' kiddin'

Puleeze!

[RiverStone]

9. Absolutely not...

Though some may need a little reminder that we are in this fight together!

Even with the disagreements and spirited banter around here, DU will be just fine!

See how much we CAN agree after all!

Remember..:yourock: DU!


peace~:)

[Seen the light]

2. Undecided

I dislike Senator Clinton that much. Probably yes. But don't hold me to it.

[zanne]

6. I've run into so many undecided voters in the past ten months...

I've considered selling bumperstickers that say "Undecided '08".

[Demeter]

20. For Michigan and Florida, Make that "Uncommitted 2008"

[neoblues]

38. Since the DNC happily limits participation of Florida Democrats...

by preventing the seating of their delegates (or preventing them from voting), and forbade any candidate from receiving delegates should they (merely) campaign in Florida (for the primary)...

Since we (apparently) won't be participating in the selection of the Democratic Candidate for President...

If it weren't so damned important to start turning this country around (even if our leading candidates aren't nearly as intensely determined (or even just determined) to turn back the Republican National Takeover of the last 8 years as I would want), the temptation is to just tell them what they can do with any hopes they might have of a vote from Florida.

The Florida Democratic Party sought it's changed primary date with most Florida Democrats not paying much attention and unaware of what potential penalties might be levied against them. So, alas, the change was made. In any case, to deny so many Democrats their privilege to participate and so stifle their voices when for the vast majority, it wasn't their doing, seems wrong to me and it seriously angers me.

However, I can't imagine not voting for the Democratic Candidate for President, even if I didn't get to help pick them--and even if they inexplicably aren't expressing anywhere near enough ardor for the concept of "Change"**.

** Where "Change" instead, in this case, actually means restoration of the nation by undoing all of the malicious "actual changes" (away from all that's right) planned and perpetrated by the Republicans during the last eight years. It's sad to consider that the concept of "change" has come, if only in my mind, to mean restoration... Restoration of sanity, restoration of dedication to the Constitution, restoration of adherence to the Rule of Law, restoration of the Separation of Powers & the Separation of Church and State, and so much more... After all, restoring Honesty, Sanity and good government after all these so-called "representatives" we've had working in Washington, actually does represent a "Change" (a Huge one).

Oh well, considering our pathetic "Touch Screen" Voting Machines, who knows if my vote for the primary would even count (pathetic humor). In any case, I suspect that the rest of the country can do as well in figuring out who ought to be the candidate as well with or without Florida. I suppose one can't even be certain that Florida won't be counted in the end--though it seems nobody much will have visited us? So much for me trying to convince myself I'm not so unhappy with current events.

[zanne]

3. Definitely! If another Republican is elected president...

I will walk into the ocean.

[cboy4]

11. I will walk into the ocean

:spray:

[zanne]

26. I may be critical of Hillary...

But if she gets the nomination, I'll be behind her 100%. I'm a Democrat first and foremost.

[FSogol]

4. Yup, Our top three rock! n/t

[Phillycat]

5. Hey!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2649467

[RiverStone]

13. ooops!

Great minds think alike eh? :hi:

I did not do much of a looksee before I created it; my apologies janesez.

Sorry for the similar poll - just trying to infuse this place with a few positive vibes.

[Phillycat]

19. Heh - that's all right.

It's telling though - my poll started at over 80% who would vote for the nominee no matter what, and has been slowly sinking all day. I think it's below 70% now. There are a lot of people on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND who would rather see a Republican in office than a Dem candidate they don't like. Scary!

On edit: see this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2649467#2652912

[RiverStone]

25. I can't fathom the logic...

Of those willing to not vote (hence give the pukes a freebie) just because a less than ideal Dem is nominated!?

Even Hillary --- who I think is rethug lite and by far the least desirable among the Dem field --- even Clinton would be far better than any war mongering, lock-stepping, BushCo kool-aid drinking, holier then thou freak!

I don't get it.

Why would they even want to hang out on DU other than to disrupt the place?

[TooBigaTent]

29. Why would they even want to hang out on DU other than to disrupt the place?

Perhaps to promote Democratic principles.

[RiverStone]

30. There is nothing Democratic...

About dissing the party's nominee in the GE.

Rant away to your heart's content during the primaries - that's called democracy.

But I assure ya, if you rant on our nominee come September --- you will not last on DU --- read the rules.

Did I say already....


Welcome to DU!!! :hi: :kick:

[peace13]

7. Hope to .

Let's make it a good one!

[peacebird]

8. As long as the nominee is "Anybody But Clinton" yes. If it's Hillary - no.

[XOKCowboy]

18. No vote is a vote for a Republican President.

Heck your principles are more important that 4-8 more years of war, the sacking of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the name of Terra and the collapse of the middle class. Oh not to mention the Supreme Court seats that will go to people like Scalia, Roberts, Thomas and Alito.

[peacebird]

23. I don't think a vote for Hillary will change the direction the country is heading

and if we are to continue our slide into fascism then I would just as soon it was not under a President who has a "D" after their name.

I truly hope it doesn't come to that - I still hope that Edwards is our candidate, tho I could vote for Obama as well.

[RiverStone]

32. No = a freebie for the pukes! Ya got that right Cowboy! ..n/t

[LeftCoast]

44. You must've voted for Nader in 2000

:thumbsup: on that!

[peacebird]

47. actually I wanted Dean and voted for Kerry

[Critters2]

10. Yes. I've decided I could live with any of the Dems running.

I have a favorite, but I'll vote Dem either way.

[Kucinich4America]

12. Yawn

How many loyalty threads is this today? :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:

[RiverStone]

17. Better loyal than mean...

Though sorry to bore ya...

BTW, also a resident NWter - everybody in the M$M is pulling for the Packers.

What a great time to get em to STFU!

Go Hawks!!! :applause:

[Arkansas Granny]

14. Absolutely. Any of our top three would make a better president

than any of the Republicans, period. Even if my choice isn't the nominee, he/she has my support and my vote.

[TooBigaTent]

15. There are some of us who are so uncomfortable about continuing the

decline of the US by putting into the WH a corporate Democrat that we are considering not supporting BO or HC (or JE) come November.

The thought process is this - we want a liberal, progresssive administration that will do more than re-arrange the deck chairs. We want the criminals now in office held accountable. We want true reform, not window dressing.

If the repugs win again, it would be bad. But we really do question how much better it will be if a Democratic Obama or Clinton merely throws cosmetic changes over the mess created by the Cons. Personally, I have absolutely no faith that any of the top-three Dems would even attempt to rock the corporate boat that we all are riding into oblivion.

Some of us believe that things need to get a whole lot worse before enough Americans get so fed up with conditions that there is a true MOVEMENT toward progress. It's called a tactical retreat. Short-term pain for long-term, real progress.

Yeah, the Supreme Court. But will BO or HRC or JE put a Lawrence Tribe on the court? No chance!

The same holds for every issue. The willingness of most of the party powerful (and supporters) to settle for 1/10 of a loaf is the most discouraging.

-- waiting for the attacks --

[RiverStone]

21. OK to question things now...

But when we enter the final stretch post primary and post convention; the goal here is to do ALL we can to win - and avoid ALL we can to lose.

I appreciate your desire for more than 1/10 of a loaf - but I'd even take 1/10 of a Dem loaf over 1/100 of a loaf of rethug bread.

Yeah, the SCOTUS! I don't want my 2 teenage kids living for the next 20 years with rightie wacko rulings!

If you can't be with us come the GE, it maybe best to chill. I doubt any anti-Dem posters would last long here without getting tombstoned.

For the moment and hopefully much longer...

Welcome to DU! :hi: :kick: :hi:

[TooBigaTent]

24. The suspicion is that the 1/10 loaf is ALL we would ever get from this group

of candidates. A tiny little bit would marginally improve, but that is all.

A marginal (if that) improvement is not enough for me.

Comfortable people do not revolt. And far too many are far too comfortable with the crumbs that they are being promised.

I have never not voted for the Democrat in almost 40 years of voting. The fact that I am even considering it this time is a measure of the frustration and disgust I have with the "moderates" who are leading. And the fact that BO (especially) is more interested in appealing to the GOP than progressives is close to the final straw.

[RiverStone]

33. Ultimately, your only solution may be to go 3rd party

That is, if you barely see a difference.

But since you obviously have liberal leanings - how bout working toward that AFTER the election.

Way, way, way too many lives have been lost due to Shrub's arrogant and reckless policies. The issues are far to compelling to NOT stop another puke from putting up curtains on the Hill.

Too much is at stake.

peace~:)

[TooBigaTent]

42. It is less a fact of there being "barely" a difference and more a recognition that

electing a right-leaning Democrat would delay (or kill) any hope of significantly reversing the disastrous direction this country has been sent by * & the assholes in the GOP and his enablers in "our" party.

I understand the emotional responses to this by those who would demand we give our vote to a nominee who gives us little or nothing in return and to some degree, I agree with that view.

BUT, at what point do we stop accepting broken promises, or no promises?

I think we have an opportunity at this point in time to really take a bold step and actually make real progress toward progressive values and policies. But it is being squandered by the (almost) complete abandonment of us libs by the candidates in their appeals to the middle/right/DLC, GOPers, and independents.

To put it in terms of one of the great "accomplishments" of the current Democratic Congress, they are promising to raise the minimum wage about five cents an hour when it needs to be boosted by ten dollars to keep pace with inflation. And we are supposed to take that nickel and be grateful.

Some of us are saying that that nickel is just not good enough. But in the end, people are right in that, being liberal, there is a trace of hope (trust and gullibility) in us that will probably drag us into the fold come November. But do not expect enthusiasm for the (semi-) status quo.

[Ino]

40. Apparently things have to get worse

before people will REALLY demand change. I've NEVER not voted Dem, but I may sit this one out if HC is nominated. I totally agree she would throw us crumbs, just enough to make most people complacent, while she carries on with NAFTA, the war, and anything else to benefit her corporate benefactors -- just as our historic female Speaker of the House, who I was initially so proud of, is nothing more than a Bush enabler spitting on the anti-war/impeachment demonstrators outside her house.

"Let all the poison that lurks in the mud hatch out."

I'd rather have it much worse than a tiny bit better. I'd rather have a Repuke who acts like a Repuke than a Dem who acts like a Repuke. At least with the Repuke there'll be a Dem (maybe a real one) running against him in 4 years.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Put me in firmly in the "Maybe" column. Even that "depends".

[donheld]

22. To those who are voting no. Does giving up the Supreme Court to

the right wingers for at least a generation mean anything to you?

[TooBigaTent]

27. There are other ways...

[donheld]

39. Oh really, please tell me what those ways are?

[RuleOfNah]

45. Who owns my vote?

I'm trying to keep quiet but since someone brought up the Supreme Court (and DU has acted so Kos lately)...

Please tell me, which leading Democratic Presidential candidates voted against Bush Judicial nominees? For those DUers voting for candidates that voted for Bush Judicial nominees, did giving up the Supreme Court to the right wingers for at least a generation mean anything to YOU?

Have your candidates bothered to filibuster anything Bush? Did your candidates even bother to speak up? I mean speak up like a Wellstone when it mattered, not later when it was safe or politically expedient. If your candidate made it this far, are they are a front runner?

Instead, people like me get grief for daring to ask for things like honest balloting, Constitutional law, and equal enforcement. You know, that democratic stuff.

As for the poll that started this thread, notice there is no mention made of Independents (a growing part of the registered base). Do you realize that we know exactly how unwelcome we really are in your tent, even after we have followed your demands to vote for your candidates?

And yet we will vote with you, because there is little choice, the planet is dying.

[seabeyond]

28. cant answer. YES.... but i am not a democrat. here lately

too many of the polls are asking questions that doesnt have my answer and i cant answer.

[orleans]

31. FUCK YEAH! n/t

[Elspeth]

34. Only if it's a spotted owl

:D

[B Calm]

35. Where's the "IF IT'S HILLARY I'LL STAY HOME" choice?

[NoPasaran]

36. Fucking A I am!

And anyone who is eligible to vote and answers no is no better than freeper scum.

[GOPBasher]

37. Yes, I will vote for the Democratic nominee. End of statement. n/t

[applegrove]

41. I would if I was American. But I'm not.

[Dulcinea]

43. Absolutely.

Staying home amounts to voting for President Romney, Huckabee or McCain.

I have 2 young daughters whose reproductive rights MUST be protected. No more right-wingers on the bench!

I'll probably vote for Edwards in the primaries, but will proudly cast my vote for the Dem nominee in November.

You have NO right to complain if you don't vote!

[deacon]

46. Maybe. n/t

[natrat]

48. doubtful-politicians are so disgusting and i have zip faith in empty words and corp whores

[WinkyDink]

49. I can't believe the non-YES votes.