It has been no secret that Edwards did not agree with the manner in which Kerry ran his last campaign. Kerry obviously was not happy with Edwards comments about the last election or his failure to defend his strategy? But what does it benefit Obama to have Kerry endorse him in SC? It's not like Kerry is a favorite son of South Carolina. It may even hurt Obama in that state? Why couldn't Kerry have waited to endorse Obama in a state where he had done well and was still thougth well of??
96. That's probably why he chose Edwards as his running mate...
political expediency. Edwards appeals to a more liberal base than Kerry did. It's common for Presidential nominees to run with someone opposed to their basic tenets to appeal to a wider voting audience.
But it doesn't make sense...He could have saved his endorsement for a better time - unless he was trying to hurt Edwards more than he was trying to help Obama - since South Carolina is the birthplace of Edwards??
17. maye it had to do with obama and clinton new hampshire and nothing to do with edwards
making people are yelling about a stab in the back and dont know shit the reasons why. but the immediately ugliness in the trashing of kerry because he isnt doing what people wnat him to do, when he has all rights to endorse a candidate, when it is not out of the norm to endorse a candidate, when he is not trashing any other dem, like dems did to him in 2004..... is wrong, not correct.
23. btw... he didnt do it before iowa swinging his weight from get go....
he did it after two states edwards down low, race seems to be between obama and clinton. edwards fans may still have hope but as a politician he may see the race between the top two and that is why he chose now. he may have been saving that knife and actually thinking about edwards, and chosing now cause he sees edwards out of race. you nor anyone else knows, but it is as likely, more so, than the stabbing in the back. edwards is so low in support there is no reason for a knife so really it is proof kerry isnt out to stab edwards, it isnt even needed.
6. I'm not bashing kerry but he slapped me in the face back in nov. of '04
I think he is a good man to have in the senate though, kinda sorta If I had my way about it both houses would get a good flushing or two, whatever it would take to get rid of the whole bunch 'cause its on a majority of thems watch we have sank so low as a Country, re:puke:s and dems
9. Yikes. I don't see it that way, at all. They were running mates, not BFF's.
I think it's nice for Sen. Obama to have an elder statesman of the Democratic Party endorse him. And, FWIW, the last place from which I anticipate endorsements of Edwards is from the U.S. Senate. They're a bit too status quo.
15. Not the first slap. JK said he was shocked when EDWARDS told him
about his child's (death?), saying he was speaking about it for the first time, and JK remembered EDWARDS talking about it years before.
Plus, on election night I noticed the DISTANCE Edwards put between himself and JK, when he went before the cameras and told everybody that JK would not be appearing that night for a concession, that he "deserved" a night off or somesuch. It wasn't like "we" have had a rough time, "we" deserve a night.
Strong in SC? That's just a ridiculous claim. J E's polling there is
under 15%- or at least it was last week. Haven't seen anything since Iowa, but I doubt it's any higher. JE has NO chance in SC for obvious reasons. And his campaign was effectively over when he didn't win Iowa. Moreover, this likely has a lot more to do with Kerry preferring Obama to Clinton.
Kerry didn't realize that SC is the birthplace of John Edwards or that Edwards hoped to do well in that state.. It's just a coincidence. How much value is it to Obama in South Carolina? Why not save his endorsement for a state where he is popular and where it would have more meaning?? In my humble opinion, it was calculated to hurt Edwards more than it was to help Obama? I don't think it will accomplish either.
79. I'm sorry facts don't meet with your approval. You vomit at me for stating them?
I don't create the reality...which is that, like in New Hampshire, when the curtains close on the voting booth, a majority of the electorate, even many of which loudly and publicly proclaim their inclusiveness won't vote for a black man. Hell, they'll only vote for a woman while holding their noses. I hear some people proudly stating they will vote for Obama only because he's black - that's as bad as voting against him for the same reason. :puke: yourself. By the way, is there some particular reason you spell Dionysius wrong?
29. I can't even think of a logical reason for him to do this in SC.
If he had waited it wouldn't have seemed so small minded. But, to do it in SC...well. :eyes: Maybe he doesn't like Edwards populist message or he just disliked Edwards ..but it just isn't logical in the timing.
31. Sure it's logical. Edwards has no chance in SC
He's polling in the low teens. He has virtually no African American support- and AA's comprise 50% of SC's dem primary voters. This isn't about Edwards. JK supports Obama and wants to help him out there against his only opponent- Senator Clinton.
44. BS. This will help Edwards in SC. Kerry's an idiot.
I think some of the animosity is due to Elizabeth being insulted that Teresa tried to orchestrate treatment for Elizabeth's cancer, rather than inquiring whether she could be of help in making a referral. Elizabeth wrote about it in her book.
64. kerry never went after edwards. was the other way around. how we ignore
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 11:42 AM by seabeyond
fact..... kerry has always kept his mouth shut about how he felt about edwards. it is edwards wife that has been trashing and blaming kerry for the last two years. edwards himself has said little, mainly sighs and rollin eyes with kerry name. but the wife has not been so controlled. it would be neither kerry or edwards being less than honorable in their relationship.
55. But, Hillary is not popular in SC at all. Obama has it sewn up...
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 11:29 AM by KoKo01
so that doesn't make sense. But, Kerry announced his 04 Campaign from Charleston, SC because some of his Swift Boat buddies were from there. I Remember they were all together for the rally. Maybe it was a favor to his Swift Boat Buddies from SC and not so much a stab at Edwards...or maybe it was conveniently both. Who knows...:shrug: I worked for Kerry even though I had been for Dean...but always felt Kerry's judgement was sometimes off. The windsurfing and hunting photo ops didn't go down well with many folks, as an example.
114. Immediately folding at the most important time, which was...
The only time to do anything about it. Investigations after the fact, does not correct what happened. Bush re-elected for a second term. He told the American people that he had an army of lawyers in Ohio in case some funny business took place with the election. The American people believed him and he walked away. Edwards wanted to fight it, Kerry said no, and walked away from it.
98. If he wanted to kill his chances to get in and change the system
he would have pursued the issue. Don't you think he has to be a little sly? The powers that be would have absolutely shut his campaign up if he were THAT loud about the corporate corruption in Washington. As it is he is being shut out by the insiders, as well as the M$M.
82. He didn't wait because he wanted to reward Edwards' back stabbing - now that he''s still visible
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 12:54 PM by robbedvoter
After South Carolina, Edwards will be as relevant to the outcome of the race as Gravel (only less genuine) and no one would ask this question.(with or without Kerry's actions) Kerry wanted to pay back for: "he wanted to count, but Kerry" absurd rumor (absurd for the lack of follow up) "We shouldn't apologize for war - it shows weakness" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADwjvAs9J-0
Doing this now, takes Edwards' rolodex away from him and pushes him out faster. Take it any way you want, but somehow, I was able to feel Kerry's frustrations of late (not that I don't still have my own with Kerry - re: concession & silence about the theft). At least Kerry didn't have the chutzpa to ask us for our votes - again.
91. That too. But payback to Edwards & the Clintons was the cherry on top.
Kerry has a long memory. He was hating Gore for the SNL skit with the VP audition - so he maneuvered in 2003 to kick him out of th race. Now life gave him a chance to pay back other enemies. And maybe help the candidate he likes best. Win-win for him.
103. Are ticket mates required to be best friends?
Kennedy couldn't stand LBJ, and LBJ couldn't stand Kennedy. Apparently Reagan didn't like Bush Sr. all that much. Even at the end of Clinton's term, the relationship between Clinton and Gore has been somewhat strained. And you haven't seen Gore endorse Hillary, either.
I personally don't think Kerry endorsed Obama to spite Edwards. I think it was just a matter of Kerry and Obama being collegues in the current Senate. They probably have a good working relationship.
This is all much ado about nothing, and I'm voting for Edwards.
edwards is absolutely no substance, all pretty smile. he was a second rate senator, accomplishing absolutely nothing either in the senate or in his poltical action. He also was a horrible running mate, who gave Bush and Cheney free passes in 04. Good for Kerry
As James Carville is fond of saying. We should not be so naive to think that these bad feelings do not exist between politicians and they are not above resorting to revenge or other dastardly acts. Politics brings out the worst in people sometimes.
120. Enough people on the inside knew Edwards wanted to fight the vote count in Ohio, and Kerry said No..
Of course Edwards has never confirmed this publicly out of deference to Kerry, but you couldn't expect something like that to remain quiet.
When Kerry announced he would not run this time, I think there was a bit of resentment that Kerry realized that Edwards could run and be the nominee this time, and he could not.
Even so, I don't see this hurting Edwards in South Carolina, and in fact Edwards will do very well in South Carolina regardless of the dire predictions by those pushing the MSM choices of Obama v. Clinton.
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