Are DU readers and participants susceptible to Psychological Operations?

[L. Coyote]

I've posted this question before: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1025175

This time I'm serious. It is astounding to see how things spin out around here.

Do you ask why people pull the fire alarm every time there is a slight wiff of smoke?

Is DU being manipulated to decrease voting and participation?

Is there an effort to make progressives think elections are fixed, and hence futile exercises?

Is there an effort to use exit polling to drive a wedge between Dem bases?

Do you believe the M$M when they present a poll?

Do you tend to believe posts on DU without question?

[havocmom]

1. Yes

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, but with the qualifier: just being paranoid does not protect you when there really are people out to get you.

Probably, and also to hide any manipulation of numbers.

:rofl: Believe MSM? :rofl: Stop, yer killin me! :rofl:

Nope. Am way old enough to know better ;)

[tom_paine]

18. 100% agreement with your excellent common-sense wisdom.

We're not worthy!

[havocmom]

20. Thanks Tom, lad. But da momma still does believe we are worthy

of education and the chance at redemption. But redemption is born of efforts and actions, not just the platitudes of politicians on the stump.

Yeah, despite all the tough shell and years that should make me know better, I am an ol softie who still always holds on to some shred of hope for mankind. And womankind*

*just to keep the stampede of bloodhounds on the trail for a whiff of sexism to trigger the hunters off my ass for a few minutes more.

Hope the dawn found you well and still in the good fight. :hug:

[Buzz Clik]

2. WARNING! This thread is a psy-op.

[L. Coyote]

4. Good perception, that. Yes, it is supposed to make people think. Here's hoping LOL

[Echo In Light]

5. lol

[Echo In Light]

3. For over 3 decades the establishment pushed rightward and many dems followed

While other liberal/progressive/anarchist/socialists were able to understand what was happening. The great chasm between "dems" lies within this propagandistic/ideological divide. So for instance, when a known corporatist campaigns for the dems, the rightward dems follow along and either don't understand why liberals/activist minded people criticize the system...or...become highly defensive of anyone who dares criticize their favored media persona ... which, according to many, that's really about all it amounts to.

[Buzz Clik]

6. In all seriousness, DU doesn't need outside forces to induce unpredictable or unproductive behavior.

It's the nature of the residents here to be high strung and subject to wild swings in emotion.

[Echo In Light]

7. Like Carlin says, the elites can keep the masses fighting over emotionally volatile issues...

So we take our eye off them as they keep running to the bank over our backs.

[L. Coyote]

22. good insight, and relevant in GD!

[tom_paine]

11. Watching things we thought were rock solid disintegrate beneath our feet for 7 years

will do that to people.

Things like a relatively Free and Independant Press, or the System of Checks and Balances.

The loss of those and so much more, which as Americans we are taught to believe were permanent and eternal, is no small thing.

You should expect people to be freaked out after seven years of that. But then, there's nothing new under the sun.

http://www.amazon.com/Defying-Hitler-Memoir-Sebastian-Haffner/dp/0312421133/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197208607&sr=8-2

You should read this book, no matter waht you think of me or anything I say. This should be abook that everyone is required to read in High School, and it's better and more interesting than "David Copperfield".

[mmonk]

8. People in general are susceptible.

Here at DU, there is still diversity of opinion, however.

[Beelzebud]

9. Without a doubt yes. All humans are.

[tom_paine]

10. Of course we are. We are human beings with subconscious-es, aren't we?

But ultimately, the problem lies with the hologram of lies that has replaced reality through the MSM and the fact that 500-channel cable means anyone can much more easily tune out 100% to things and live a completely insular life.

That goes for you, me, and everyone. The trap is the trap and I don't care how enlightened a person thinks they are or how "above the fray" (I am looking at myself here as much as anyone else), this bullshit is so hardwired into our society, now it's Conventional Wisdom.

It is as much a part of our surroundings as the air we breathe, and no one can hold their breath forever, metaphorically-speaking.

This is an excellent, and thought-provoking post. Thanks for posting it. K & R

[Echo In Light]

16. Bingo bro

[Solly Mack]

12. Well, yeah

humans and all that...

[MedleyMisty]

13. Have proof that elections aren't fixed?

Because I can find plenty of sources that I trust with information about how they are manipulated. Here's a good place to start.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Also I think most people are aware of gerrymandering - look, it even has an article in Britannica.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9036604/gerrymandering

And here's a resource about the suppression of African American voters.

http://www.imdiversity.com/Villages/African/politics_law/bpr_black_vote0907.asp

This video also has some information about the 2000 presidential election.

http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html

As for the topic of the thread - my momma always told me that when people talk about other people they're really talking about themselves. I find that the people who love to make threads and posts about disruptors and so on usually sow a lot of discord themselves, and making those threads is one way that they do it - it encourages people to shut up and sit down and not dissent and denies that there are legitimate reasons to criticize Democratic politicans.

[L. Coyote]

19. NO. I have proof they are. Problem is, everyone is running in the herd, believing the wrong

spin, distracted by exit poll antics, false flags, worm activists, etc.

Here is a good example: Did Diebold steal Ohio in 2004?

If your first reaction is anywhere near "Of course..." then you have been conned. Ohio was 3/4 punch cards in 2004! There is no evidence e-voting fraud impacted that result. There is clear evidence of other fraud. Do you know the facts or the spin?

Here is another example: "The voting in Ohio 2004 needed to be recounted."

If you agree you were conned again, and may have even been separated from some of your money.
Punch card ballots count the same after they are switched to the wrong precinct.
You can recount forever, and the vote does not change.
That was known by those saying "recount" I know, because I had those conversations with them.

I wonder how the herd is so easily misdirected again and again, not IF it is.

[protect our future]

14. I pull the fire alarm when

the MSM self-satisfied self-absorbed slobs are so taken with their own ability to create a trend that they knowingly sleeze on someone in an effort to further their dysfunctional *life is just a bowl of Jerry Springer shows* agenda and in doing so bring in bigger bucks and bigger ratings, which causes me to enter a slow burn or faster burn state depending on the depth of the sleeze. And then they have the gall to ask why there is so much partisanship.

[cynatnite]

15. Only if Faux News is on n/t

[Echo In Light]

17. FOX also serves as a red herring: makes people think they'll get honesty from other MSM

Not.

[L. Coyote]

21. An echo chamber for Clear channel, validating radio propaganda too, of course.

Hearing lies on two media means a lot :rofl:

[SalmonChantedEvening]

23. My life savings? Why yes, here! Help yourself.

:D