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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:24 AM
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I no longer respect discriminatory or bigoted "genuinely held beliefs."
Being Gay is NOT EVIL. My friends dead from "Reagan's Plaque" were not evil. My CPO in the Navy, my dear friend Milagro, was not evil. My friends at the "Oar House" in Norfolk WERE NOT EVIL.

They were not, and those that are still with us, ARE NOT EVIL.
They DO NOT NEED CURING.
If they are Christians (as most were) Jesus loves them just the same and does not wish them to change.

If Barack Obama first tells me that he WILL NOT let this man spouting BIGOTRY in the name of Jesus to be Master of Ceremonies, I'll believe him; then when it happens anyway, Obama is a LIAR. When this same man is not REFUTED by Obama, who then says we just all have to RESPECT EACH OTHERS' (FUCKING) OPINIONS.....(my FUCKING COMMENT)then Obama has condoned BIGOTRY.

These items are not up for debate.

UNLESS he repudiates, I WILL NOT support him. I WILL NOT put his sign on my lawn. I WILL vote for him if he is the nominee and I can conscience it, of which I will have to decide when the time comes.

These items are not negotiable.

The LGBT community has shown me LOVE and ACCEPTANCE when I got NONE from ANYONE ELSE, INCLUDING my extended family. To betray that is despicable.

It was put much better by Edward Morgan Forster

"If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country."
-Edward Morgan Forster
(member of the Cambridge "Apostles" and the Bloomsbury Group. Brilliant, homosexual, writer, author of "A Room With a View")
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:35 AM
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1. which repudiation do you stand by? repudiation out of belief, or repudiation out of convenience?
beware of duplicitous obama.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:38 AM
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2. If I believed everyone that disagrees with me
were evil, I'd be a recluse.

Yes, McClurkin is an ass. Yes, Obama was wrong to give him a platform.

But that horse died months ago.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 07:07 AM
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3. Wouldn't say that to the LGBT community.
A lot of people both inside and outside that community feel it acutely. And are REALLY PISSED OFF about it.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 07:23 AM
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4. Like hell.
It'll never be dead to those of us who feel intensely BETRAYED by someone that we thought would empathize with us. He's a fellow member of a minority group, right? So many of us *still* haven't gotten over that sickening sense of betrayal, of being traded for a few fundie votes.

What pisses me off the most are his desperate hand-wringing supporters, looking for something, ANYTHING to blame, trying to say that we GLBT people that despise Obama are secretly racists. I can't speak for every GLBT person in the world, but I can speak for the ones I know and love, and we are NOT racists. We've been kicked in the teeth too damned many times by bigots to want to become bigots ourselves. I just can't stop being infuriated over the way that man sold us down the river.

I don't think Obama is a homophobe or a bigot himself, but when he knowingly associates his campaign with that kind of disgusting right-wing rhetoric, how can ANYONE expect us to sit here and say nothing?

If he loses this primary, it might be the best thing for him. Then in 2016, he can get his priorities in proper order again, and remember that he cannot insult a big chunk of his base for the sake of reaching out to a few religious nuts in a state that no Dem is likely to win anyway.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 07:48 AM
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5. Say the magic word....Down comes the duck.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 07:56 AM by Tyler Durden
That horse is kicking like hell. All you have to be to see it is either LGBT, or in solidarity with the community.

OOPS.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:32 AM
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6. It comes down to this.
What is right and what is politically expedient. Throw people under the bus and this is the kind of reaction you get from people who believe what is right is more important than politically expedient.

Kick for the thread.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 10:49 AM
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7. Maybe it's because I feel the heat from the whole shithouse burning down...
(To paraphrase Jim Morrison) that I feel that doing the RIGHT THING is a little more important than political expediency.

Do you think there are more of us who believe in what's right? I REMEMBER once wanting it all and fast but it's getting hazy.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:57 AM
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8. I just don't know TD.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:13 PM by MuseRider
We are political allies, you and I, of the same era with the same background of fighting the machine. I can't for the life of me think or act any other way than I do. I don't really care what people call me, I am who I am. I don't care what they think of me really and I don't sway just because of small things. Those small things are what are firing this election and probably have been firing all elections but I was too blind to see it then. I don't know if I am right about everything or many things but this one thing I do know, people must be equal or this country and everything about it will remain a sham. We have never been what we claim to be so I became sick and tired enough to drop out of the party and wing it. This is my stand. Equality now.

I think there are many people who are very afraid and that is part of it. I don't blame them, I am afraid too but I am making this stand. To me it is the one most important thing. Everything else is important but I can't see people treated this way and we are barely standing still now, if we don't fight hard we are but moments away from backwards movement. That movement frightens the hell out of me.

I want it all fast too, I do remember that but I know now it takes time and bodies and work, lots of work to move issues like this that to you and me seem no brainers.

Well it felt good to get that out anyway :). I am off to file a PAC report at the SOS office. The one thing that has kept me relatively sane is doing the work. I am fully committed to this, proud of it and damned determined we are not going to lose the ground we gained the two years we have been in existence. Keep it up. People may think it is obnoxious but this is what it takes. Check this out. It might give you encouragement, although I don't think you need it. Even in Kansas we are moving. I am the proud vice chair and one of the founders of this organization. www.kansasequalitycoalition.org

Edit to add: I guess what I don't get is the justification. We all have our issues. I believe other issues are very important but not as important as mine and I assume the reverse is true. What I can't fathom is the excusing of certain candidates for what they have done. We never said they were horrible candidates until we learned that they knew what they were doing before they did it and let it happen anyway. Then, under the guise of unity (?), excused it as a teaching moment or a moment of inclusion. Not to apologize makes it intolerable to me in a candidate.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:53 PM
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9. Can I join? Send me a PM.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:25 PM
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10. Wow Tyler
sure you can but first check your state and see if they have an organization in need of a member.

I hate to move you away, lord knows we need the numbers and the money but......... We actually have a very hard time paying our lobbyist every year. Our lobbyist is a straight Republican and he is excellent and very hard working. Whooda thunk that one? Without him we would never be able to cover all the legislators personally and he gets his foot in the door with the Repubs.

I will send a PM but you can just go to the site and hit donate on the front page. You could join as a member but I am not certain how that would work with you being out of state. D'oh, I helped write the bylaws and I can't remember if we dealt with anything like that. I'll let you know.

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 06:13 PM
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11. Thanks, MR!
I'll check the inbox. I think though I would love to support an organization that's already on the front lines. Here in the hinterlands there ain't NOTHIN that I know of.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 12:02 AM
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12. You are welcome
and welcome to the Kansas Equality Coalition! Next meeting is at my house, can you make it? LOL :)
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 06:20 AM
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13. Right. I'll bring my check....
I think I'll have to MAIL it!
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