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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:12 PM
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Hillary won ONE primary (barely) and she just referred to herself as THE PRESIDENT!!
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:12 PM by Breeze54
:wtf:

What does she know, that we don't know? :shrug:

Do we need yet another election inspection?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:14 PM
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1. No way...what did she say..
"When I'm president..such and such shit will happen"?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:22 PM
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16. No...that's why it hit me! She said "as the President, I will..."
:puke:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #16
90. No she didnt.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:51 AM
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242. This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen on this board
which puts it WAY WAY UP THERE.

Every candidate in history has said "As the President, I will..." in their campaign speeches.

It does not constitute a claim on the office. It's called being positive. Have you slept through the entire history of the United States electoral process?

Is that really the best you can do? Shouldn't you be pointing out that her buttons are on the other side of her shirt, or something?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:12 PM
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255. Oh, for fuck's sake. That's standard boilerplate stump speech.
I'm not even a Hillary supporter, but your outrage here is ridiculous.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #16
257. You probably shouldn't smoke that shit.
:eyes:
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:15 PM
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2. So did Edwards
They all do that.
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winga222 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:15 PM
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3. Oh please. They ALL say things like "When I'm president..." or
"When we win in November". You're just looking for slights because your guy didn't win.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:16 PM
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:15 PM
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4. inevitabily crap again. OMG
:eyes:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:15 PM
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5. Pretty much all the candidates refer to themselves that way.
I'm not a Hilary supporter, but in all fairness, she's not the only one who says that.

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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:15 PM
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6. Um, everyone says that. "When I am president..."
Obama did it tonight too. :wtf:
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:16 PM
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9. Obama did it tonight too..... and HE lost!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:16 PM
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7. Common campaign-ese
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:17 PM
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10. Umm, that's what Presidential candidates DO.
John & Barack did it too.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:17 PM
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11. Obama did the same thing.
Is it ok for him, but not for her?

Hmm, that seems familiar.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:17 PM
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12. It's that Clinton Arrogance ... It comes so naturally. nt
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:37 PM
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29. Arrogance is a good adjective to use.
;)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:52 PM
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246. I thought georgie had a lock on arrogance? He oozes arrogance.
:evilgrin: Shouldn't the candidates said, "If I am elected President, I will do such and such?" That way no need for arrogance, nor a reason too be perceived as such? :shrug:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:17 PM
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13. Obama lost tonight and he said it too. Grow up. NT
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:20 PM
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15. Shove it!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #15
88. You've been caught being an idiot, just own up to it
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:29 AM
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102. Says the non American who has no dog in this election or say.
:eyes:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:41 PM
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243. Wow, way to take that "idiot" label to the next level.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 PM
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DING DING DING! Breeze54, you're our grand prize winner!
With 80% precincts reporting (CNN), Obama picked up an additional percentage point, so he's only two behind. Barely, indeed.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:18 PM
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14. She didn't say.. IF or 'when I am" ... she said" -- as the President, I will..."
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:19 PM by Breeze54
:grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:26 PM
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17. Let's hope she has to
eat her fucking words!
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. I'll say this real slow for you. THEY. ALL. SAID. IT.
One more time THEY. ALL. SAID. IT. Any of those words you don't understand? Got it?

But don't let you little smear comapaign of Clinton be slowed down by the truth.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:29 PM
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Who you calling an A Hole? I never said who I am supporting. You are just
blind in your crazy ass hatred. I was just pointing out a truth. But you can't handle the truth.

Once again. Real slow....

THEY.......ALL......SAID......IT...... Every last one of them. That is the only point I was making and the only one you can't seem to grasp.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. You accused me of a smear campaign!- Don't you remember anything?
No wonder you don't remember who voted for war and you don't remember why you support them!!

You need to take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror.

3900 Americans dead/KIA in Iraq and 1 million Iraqi's!!

How do you sleep?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. That's the SAME thing EVERY candidate says!
Geez! It's the same thing as saying "When I'm president" or "When I'm elected."

But since it's Hillary, of course, it's a big deal :eyes:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:32 PM
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23. No...not the way she said it..
She's becoming an expert in subliminal messaging and marketing.

Are you rejoicing in how many have died due to her little vote for war?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:38 PM
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30. Ah, of course.
Hillary isn't the only one to say it. Everyone else says it (and have in pretty much every election)...yet Hillary is "different"...it's the "way" she said it that makes her TEH EVVVIL!!1
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:54 PM
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37. No. Not at all but go ahead and
Edited on Tue Jan-08-08 11:54 PM by Breeze54
project if it makes you feel better.

I've been around awhile, honey, and this was definitely different.

And it made me sick.

If you don't like that? To fucking bad.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. okay, "honey", apparently you are an expert in brainwashing.
what a trip.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. Was I even talking to you?
:shrug:

Do you need attention?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #45
166. yes you were
anything you post to be read by the entire group is said to the entire group. Thus anyone in the group can respond to it without revealing something about their inner needs or deficiences.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #166
175. They can respond to anything ..agreed but my comment
wasn't directed at them.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #37
47. No, what's "sick" is this constant insistance around here
that Hillary is "different" even when she does something which all the other candidates do.

It is quite amusing to watch all the heads exploding here as Hillary wins. If I wasn't supporting her on my own, I'd probably cheer her on anyway just to see the smarmy smear-ers going batshit over her winning --- complete with conspiracy theories about how she must have rigged the vote, and talk of how she scammed all the "gullible voters" when she "broke down sobbing" (even tho at most her voice cracked a bit).

Hilarious.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. Not all the candidates voted for war with Iraq and Iran!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:05 AM
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55. Keep trying.
This was about how Hillary was somehow "different" when she said "When I'm president"...something every other candidate says and has said since we began holding elections.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:10 AM
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61. I didn't say she was different . I said the WAY she said it was different.
Try to keep up, will you?

How do you feel about your candidate voting to have preemptive strikes and killing so many people?

I'll bet you're popping that champagne bottle as I type! Is it blood red sparkling wine?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:14 AM
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67. And the difference is........?
Nah, no blood red wine. I'm drinking real blood. The blood of a batch of fetuses that I pulled out of some innocent Iraqi women's wombs with a few "partial birth abortions." Also, I hate America and want the terrorists to win.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #67
75. I hope you're sharing it with HRC!
:D

Enjoy because it will come back to bite you.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
38. are you out of your mind? read what you're writing...
..seriously... there might be something wrong with you if you think she's sending subliminal messages. Better get out that tin foil, cuz it's gonna be a long season and I'd hate for your brain to be all unprotected and stuff while Hillary is doing her mind-meld on the voters. :crazy:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #38
46. You are soooo owned. Turn off your TV!!!!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
31. That's still referencing the future - not now. Same as every candidate.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #14
62. they all say that
more much ado about nothing - jiminy crickets!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #14
89. Oh, jog on
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
261. I'm pretty sure I've heard EVERY candidate say that.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 05:54 PM by WritingIsMyReligion
It's like stumping 101. "As the president, I will {insert campaign promise here}." It doesn't mean a damn thing.

:shrug:
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forsberg Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
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19. kings crown themselves before anybody else
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. That's a good quote...haven't heard it in awhile
It fits.

Thanks.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:27 PM
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20. LOL!
Come on....they ALL say that.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. No, they don't.
She's really full of herself, imho.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:33 PM
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25. Looks like Hillary will win by almost TEN THOUSAND VOTES when all the votes are counted
The final 20% of the votes left....
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Remains to be seen... but America loses if that happens
Enough of the corporate war mongering self serving sycophants!

America needs to get a clue!
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Enough of the self-serving, sycophants Hillary haters.
Breeze54 buy yourself a clue. You lost this argument from the git go yet you persist in reading tea leaves, playing with a Ouija board, or the cat is talking to you that Hillary says something different than the other candidates. You heard it in her voice? Now that was just lame, funny, pathetic, untruthful, but mostly lame.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. I'm A WAR HATER!! I'm A FAKE WAR HATER!!! 3900 dead and HRC said YES!!!
:grr:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. So did Edwards.. where the venom for him? How about the others?
You jumped the shark, Honey.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #42
49. No...venom for Edwards has been posted
actually, for all of you war mongers
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #39
65. You keep changing the subject. We all know you hate the war,
that you hate Hillary. That isn't what you said. You made the statement she said something terrible. The only problem with your logic is that every other candidate has said the same thing. Nobody is supporting the war, I have never said I like or dislike Hillary. You are being taken to task for making an erroneous statement. That doesn't make us Hillary supporters, doesn't make us like the war any better than you. Your hatred of Hillard is coloring your entire world. The only thing she said is something that they all have said, "As president I will...."

Drink that cup of tea, put away the Ouija board and tell the cat to take a nap...you have completely lost touch with what people are saying. It must be horrible to have that much hate for any one person. Get off your high horse, your position isn't any more valid than others. You are entitled to your opinion, you aren't entitled to your own set of facts. Hillary said nothing more or nothing less than every other candidate. She didn't speak in tongues, in special code for only the Hillary haters, she didn't wink or nudge anyone when she said it. She made a statement.

Nobody likes the war so quit pretending that is what we are saying.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #65
72. I repeated what she said on TV in her speech
I answered each post for what each had to say,

So no, I'm not changing the subject at all.

The responders are or at least opening that door.

Your dismissal of me is and will be your downfall.

There are many of us in the USA and we aren't going away.

You warmonger supporters need to be taken to task.

"you aren't entitled to your own set of facts."

LOL

Seems you are the one who is blinded by the light.

Be as condescending as you want. :D

Makes you look like an ass and a fool.

Is that all you've got?


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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #72
82. Yep, but that is all I need when in a battle of wits with an unarmed poster.
You got that name calling down to an art. Doesn't make your flawed logic and tortured nonsense any better. You make me laugh. Thanks for the giggle.

Good night.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #82
84. Have a great nightmare!
:hi:

You voted for it.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:34 PM
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27. They all do that...
They say 'when I'm the president'...to give the impression that they believe they'll win regardless of what the polls say. Nothing new here. Edwards said it at the last debate.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #27
54. She didn't say that.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. All the candidates have referred to themselves as the president...
at one time or another while campaigning. It's normal during a campagin. It gives the impression that they are confident in winning as to encourage those working for them and for voters to have confidence in them. It's a normal tactic.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:52 PM
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34. Geez they all FUCKING SAY THAT. What is with all the conspiracy threads?
Is this like a class project for you people?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:53 PM
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35. Isn't it expected of someone running for president for them to believe they will be president?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. To say that about yourself before you win is conceited.
I can't stand conceited people hence, HRC.

Besides, she has blood on her hands.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. Oh geez, I guess she's a "conformist" as well
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:01 AM by RGBolen



:crazy: :crazy:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #48
51. She and the DLC lead the conformists
Are you in line too?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. I've been with the DLC since it's inception, as a matter of fact.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:07 AM
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. Guess I must now bow at your wit?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. You already bow to the DLC... do you have time for Americans?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. American Democrats will decide who our candidate is. If you don't like it, tough.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #43
78. Is Barack Obama conceited, Breeze54?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:29 AM by NYC Liberal
"And I won't just talk about how great teachers are - as President I will reward them for their greatness - by raising salaries and giving them more support. That's why I'm in this race."

"As President, I will end the war in Iraq."

"Part of my job as president I think is to deliver a message that everybody is part of the American family,"

"But my job as president is going to be to make sure that the legal rights that have consequences on a day to day basis for loving same sex couples all across the country, that those rights are recognized and enforced by my White House and by my Justice Department."

"But it is crucial that the American people know that as president it will not be my job -- and I believe it would be wrong -- for me to impose my personal faith beliefs on the American people or to decide any kind of decision, policy decision, that will affect America on the basis of my personal faith beliefs."

"As President I will spend all my time trying to figure out how to keep you safe... And I would fight on the right fronts."

"I was able to expand this program when I was a state Senator in Illinois, and as President I'll do it again."

"So my starting point as president is to restore that sense that we are in this together. That's the starting point. And faith informs that. My moral commitments to that vision of a -- what Dr. King called "a beloved community" rose out of my faith."

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From here: http://vote-smart.org/speech.php?keyword=&daterange=&begin=&end=&phrase=as+president+i&contain=&without=&type=search&can_id=9490&go2.x=0&go2.y=0#Results
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"And I look forward to drawing on all of the talent that I can get when I am President of the United States - because unlike George Bush, I'm not going to demand an ideological or loyalty test for my advisors."

"I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am President of the United States. This will not be a call issued in one speech or program; this will be a cause of my presidency."

"They have not funded my campaign, they will not get a job in my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am President."

"When I am this party's nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq"

"When I am President, we will stop passing bills called No Child Left Behind that leave the money behind, and start making real investments in education."

"I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am President, they won't find a job in my White House"

"When I am President, I will end the tax giveaways to companies that ship our jobs overseas, and I will put the money in the pockets of working Americans, and seniors, and homeowners who deserve a break"

"When I am President, we will stop passing bills called No Child Left Behind that leave the money behind and start making real investments in education from cradle to adulthood"

"This is a task I will commit my Department of Justice to when I am President of the United States."


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More here:http://vote-smart.org/speech.php?keyword=&daterange=&begin=&end=&phrase=when+i+am&contain=&without=&type=search&can_id=9490&go2.x=0&go2.y=0#Results
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #78
81. Absolutely.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:56 PM
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41. So.... BFD
:shrug:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-08-08 11:57 PM
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44. I bet she had anger in her voice and tears in her eyes when she said it, too
:crazy:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #44
52. I didn't see any tears this time...I mean it was such an emotional moment
How come no tears today?

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #52
74. what do you mean?
:shrug:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. I didn't see any 'relief' tears!
She was so upset yesterday and verclempt (SP?) and tearing up but tonight?

No relief tears.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:25 AM
Original message
did you expect that?
Why?

:shrug:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:31 AM
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83. Not at all. She's very careful and that's why that was noticed as missing
She didn't even acknowledge her fucked up IWR vote for 18 months!!

And even then she didn't conceded. She's to fucking proud to admit she fucked up?

She controls how she is viewed and how many tears she sheds and it isn't many.

I see through her.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. none of the other candidates have her self-control, I suppose
:shrug:

"She controls how she is viewed and how many tears she sheds and it isn't many."

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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:05 AM
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56. Let's see what happens when we Google the phrase "as president I will", shall we?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. Your factual response is messing with the OP's loony hate binge. NT
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #56
64. She didn't say that.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #64
68. See your post #16. Make up your mind.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #64
71. Pardon me, I must have somehow, inexplicably, misinterpreted your post up there
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #71
104. LOL.... zing!
These screenshots (and the list above) make the OP look like a jackass.

Nice work.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #104
110. Yeah, like I can photocopy what I heard in a speech?
Get real.

And to think I wasted time inviting you to that other message board.

I had a feeling you weren't worth the spit.



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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #110
116. Easy now.
Look, there are a LOT of VERY legitimate reasons to criticize Hillary. But you are grabbing on to this one thing like a rabid dog, even when everyone is telling you it's common campaign rhetoric. And frankly, it makes you look completely unreasonable, and that's never good.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #110
258. You probably shouldn't smoke that shit.
:eyes:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #56
70. cool capture...
:thumbsup:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:15 AM
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69. Uh....They ALL say that B.S.

Sorry, but candidates have been doing it forever.

They don't say if, they say when...
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:19 AM
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73. what I noticed was her copying Edwards message, again
His anti-corporation message, his hardworking, invisible, voiceless, ignored American message is now HERS!

from her speech:

"The oil companies, the drug companies, the health insurance companies, the predatory student loan companies, have had 7 years of a president who stands up for them. It's time we had a president who stands up for all of you."

:wtf: is right! She's turning into a Romney. She'll change her message whenever it suits her purpose.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #73
80. So true but now
all of the people in this thread will say "they all do that!"

:grr:

No, the honest one's do NOT all do that!!!

Thanks, liberalla

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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:22 AM
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76. Lighten up, Francis. nt
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mps Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:25 AM
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79. Obama says when he is President
In his concession speech, Senator Obama said when he is President ..... So what's the point of this Hillary diatribe?

So anything Hillary Clinton says is evil and what Obama says is good?

Before you write something negative, please make sure that what you read and hear is accurate so you don't make a fool of yourself!

ms
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #79
85. Neither of them is
"good".

No substance.

The only fools on this thread are the one's defending a candidate who votes for war.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:37 AM
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87. Well well well, another anti-Hillary screed debunked:
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:38 AM by NYC Liberal
The word PRESIDENT appears only 4 times, and none of those times did she refer to herself as president!

Remarks following the New Hampshire primary

Thank you. Thank you so much. I come tonight with a very, very full heart. And I want especially to thank New Hampshire. Over the last week, I listened to you and in the process, I found my own voice.

I felt like we all spoke from our hearts, and I am so gratified that you responded. Now, together, let's give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me.
For all the ups and downs of this campaign, you helped remind everyone that politics isn't a game. This campaign is about people. It's about making a difference in your lives. It’s about making sure that everyone in this country has the opportunity to live up to his or her God-given potential. That has been the work of my life.

We are facing a moment of so many big challenges. We know we face challenges here at home, around the world, so many challenges for the people whose lives I've been privileged to be part of. I've met families in this state and all over our country who have lost their homes to foreclosures. Men and women who work day and night but can't pay the bills and hope they don't get sick because they can't afford health insurance. Young people who can't afford to go to college to pursue their dreams.

Too many have been invisible for too long. Well, you are not invisible to me.

The oil companies, the drug companies, the health insurance companies, the predatory student loan companies have had seven years of a president who stands up for them. It's time we had a president who stands up for all of you.

I intend to be that president, to be a president who puts you first - your lives, your families, your children, your future. I believe deeply in America, in our can-do spirit, in our ability to meet any challenge and solve any problem. I believe in what we can do together. In the future, we will build together. There will be no more invisible Americans. So we're going to take what we've learned here in New Hampshire, and we're going to rally on and make our case. We are in it for the long run.

And that is because we are in it for the American people. This victory will serve notice that people across our country know what's really at stake, that we will all be called upon to deliver on the promise of America.

We'll be called upon to deliver on the promise that the middle class will grow and prosper again, to deliver on the promise the government will be of the people, by the people and for the people, not just the privileged few, to deliver on the promise that every generation will have their shot at the American dream, to deliver on the promise that we'll have the will and the wisdom to end the war in Iraq the right way, to deliver on the promise to take care of our brave veterans and restore America’s standing, respect, and credibility around the world.

We know that for the promise of America to be real, we are called upon to deliver on that promise. And if you join in this call to greatness, we will, together, answer. So tomorrow, we're going to get up, roll up our sleeves and keep going.
I invite you to come join us at Hillaryclinton.com. We're going to tap into all of the spirit, the talent and just the plain grit of this great nation again.
We are determined to tackle our toughest problems and stand up to those who most need a champion because we are determined to make America work again for all of our people.

We came back tonight because you spoke loudly and clearly. You want this campaign to be about you because there is so much at stake for our country.
I have so many people to thank. I want to thank the two most important people in my life, Bill and Chelsea. I want to thank them for their incredible commitment, their passion and their heart. I want to thank my entire family, particularly my mother, who is watching tonight.
I want to thank the extraordinary team here in New Hampshire that never faltered one minute. That team had a great staff. It had volunteers and supporters from across the state and this country. I want to thank the young people across New Hampshire who came out.

They asked the hard questions and they voted their hearts and their minds and I really appreciate it.
Finally, I want to say how much I respect our Democratic candidates. Senators Dodd and Biden who were in the race earlier have given great service to our country. Governor Richardson, Congressman Kucinich, Senator Edwards and Senator Obama.

They all have put themselves on the line day and night on behalf of this country we love so much.

This campaign will transform America because we will take on the challenges. We will seize the opportunities. Every single day, I am not going out there on my own. I am going out there accompanied by millions and millions of people who believe, as I do, that this country is worth fighting for.



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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #87
92. I didn't reference any printed material...
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:58 AM by Breeze54
She is referring to herself as prez... self-projection

and you aren't making any points by using words like "screed'.

You do come off as an asshole though.

It's amazing that you are this adamant defending a warmonger.

Duly noted.

Enjoy that blood cocktail, NYC "Liberal" :wtf: :rofl:

You are just as full of yourself as the people you defend.

You should change your screen name here at DU to NYC Clueless Girl

It fits! ;)
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #92
93. Wow, you're kinda crazy
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. Really? Then, I wear it as a badge of courage if opposing a warmonger makes ME the crazy one!
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 01:14 AM by Breeze54
Foolish child.... please read up on what's going on and redeem yourself.

Many have...
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #95
96. Keep em coming
:popcorn:
:rofl:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #96
98. A million dead Iraqi's and 3900+ US soldiers and you laugh?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 01:25 AM by Breeze54
You are warped but then again... you're Canadian. :eyes:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #98
106. I laugh because you're nuts
My being Canadian has nothing to do with it, unless you've got some inside information about us Canadians I'm not aware of. Keep me posted.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #106
112. Oh yes it does! You can't vote in the USA
Your opinion is meaningless.

Your opinion is just worthless.

Go home and take care of that mess you created in your last election.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #112
122. My living in Canada does not necessarily mean I can't vote in the USA
I could be here for work or for school, and casting an absentee ballot. I could have dual citizenship. There are situations.

Even if I can't vote, my opinion isn't meaningless or worthless, and the fact that you'd discount any outsider just shows you're an idiot. So have fun with your blind hatred of 'others'.

Why don't you go home and do something about your crazy because it's spilling all over my internet.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #122
124. From what you've posted, I'm hoping you can't.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #124
131. What have I posted that makes you hope that I can't?
This should be interesting....
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #93
100. Some folks just shouldn't go off their meds n/t
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #100
107. No no we warped Canadians are to blame
:rofl:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #107
114. You don't count. You don't vote here.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #114
119. You know who you're starting to remind me of?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:04 AM by GirlinContempt
I probably shouldn't say, her name is worse than a swear word around here. However, DU is open to anyone, so you can suck on that princess. Don't let your strange hatred for one person lead you down the road of nationalism and provincialism.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #119
126. I don't hate you but you're opinion doesn't matter, you don't vote here.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #126
132. "My are" opinion counts for plenty, darling.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:13 AM by GirlinContempt
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #132
137. Not in an American election, it doesn't.
In fact, some might call you an 'operative'.

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #137
142. Listen up you damnyankee...
I'm just hoping the Canadians decide to invade, we need liberating from fools such as yourself.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #142
148. I'm not the fool defending a war candidate
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #148
149. Link me to my defense of Clinton.
Please.

Operative GIC transmission out.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #149
153. You keep arguing with me about her
What else should I surmise? :shrug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #153
156. I do?
Where?
Link please.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #148
152. No, you are a fool for thinking that attacks against you means I am defending a war candidate...
learn nuance, I know its new to you, but what the hell, I can try to be reasonable.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #152
157. Huh? You weren't even here until your last post.. your first post
You seem to think you have a stake in this baloney and yet you're late to the game.

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #157
158. At least you realize this whole thread
has the value of sandwich meat. It's masquerading as substance.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #158
160. Like Spam
:rofl:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #158
163. I didn't pile on about one persons observation....
:rofl:

That just proves how entrenched the warmongers are in this election!! :P

It's all about the money and if you haven't gotten that yet, GirlinContempt

then get it now. Follow the money. Follow the money. Follow the money....

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #157
162. I may be late to the game, but apparently the first person to show up was the clown...
I'll do you a favor and perform a frontal lobotomy for you, it'll improve your mental faculties.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #162
164. Oh brother....
lame

:eyes:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #164
171. No offense, but I'm not the one who is using stupidity as the basis for her argument...
against Clinton. No offense, but there are a shitload of other reasons to oppose her, this isn't one of them.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #171
176. LMAO!!
You are funny! :P
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #176
184. Reasonable arguments are funny to you?
That explains a lot.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #184
189. Reasonable in your opinion
funny in mine! :D
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #189
194. So wait, let me get this straight...
You oppose Hillary on the war, and foreign policy, being a corporatist, etc. and yet, what do you start a thread about, some fucking words that EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE SAYS, what the fuck is the point of that?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #194
197. I posted what I heard... during the vote returns and speeches
I've never once posted a hate post against HRC on DU.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #197
200. So instead of posting about policies you oppose, you post about bullshit that has to do with her...
rhetoric? Hell, even I have posted so called "hate" posts against Hillary, yet at least I don't smear this board with useless bullshit, unlike some people.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #137
147. An OPERATIVE?!
Are you for real? Jesus H Christ, this is too much!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #147
150. Some might think that...
I'm not saying I think you are but there are some....
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #150
155. Uh, an operative for what/who?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:26 AM by GirlinContempt
And really, who are these 'some' if not 'you'? No one has suggested anything so off the deep end to me in my years here EVER, or anyone else who posts that is not from the US that I have ever seen or heard about.

Come on. Puh-lease.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #155
159. Oh c'mon!!!
Please look up Lee Atwater and then follow the links
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #159
161. Excuse me, you're really uhm....
not making any sense at all. If you can't explain what you mean, you shouldn't be saying it.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #161
167. You asked about the relevence
of operatives in my reply

I'm giving you the source. look it up!!
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #167
168. Yeah well, I know who Atwater is
I have no idea what the fuck that has to do with me being a Canadian 'operative'.
So please, share.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #168
173. I didn't say you were
a "Canadian operative".

I said that you pushing your political opinions on an American political message board concerning an
election COULD be misconstrued by SOME as you being an operative. Sort of like the 'Swift Boat Kids'.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #173
174. The swift boat jerks were American...
repuke Americans. I think it's safe to say we don't have much to worry about in regards to Canadians and our elections.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #174
178. They still are American ...er.. well they live here...maybe
Yes and I believe everything I see and read and posted on the net too! :eyes:

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #178
181. Are you implying
that the 'swiftboat veterans' were not American?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #181
187. omg!!
:banghead:

You really don't get it and this is getting old.

I tried.

Look.

Start reading more and stop believing everything everyone tells you or that you see in an advertisement.

Yeah, I know you're next comment will be you don't believe me but that's OK. ;)

You will wake up in time.... I hope.

Just keep following the money.

:hi:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:59 AM
Response to Reply #187
190. Maybe the reason that NO ONE gets it
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 03:01 AM by GirlinContempt
is because YOU ARE NOT MAKING SENSE.
I'm not exactly alone here, sweetheart.

I hope one day you will be able to provide evidence of all that you have accused me of, however, I read in this book that holding my breath forever might not be a good idea.

:Sarcastically cheery waving smile that I wish was holding a knife:
:D
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #190
193. I make a lot of sense but you can choose to discount my experience
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 03:04 AM by Breeze54
and the experience of others.

Are you really that naive'?

You actually think there aren't people who are PAID to post and incite flame wars and sway opinions?

Time to wake up, if you do believe that.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #193
195. I think you're a more likely candiate for that sort of thing.
Wake up and smell the coffee, princess, you're being a paranoid freakazoid.
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Response to Reply #195
199. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #199
203. I'm uneducated and not street savvy, and brain dead and immature, and inexperienced and clueless
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 03:15 AM by GirlinContempt
because I think it's paranoid to accuse someone of being an 'operative' just because they are from another country?

Sure, whatever you say sweetheart.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #203
207. But I didn't accuse you so stop lying. I said SOME HERE MIGHT THINK THAT!!
You are an a-hole... as I suspected all along.

But you as an "operative"? :rofl:

You're to stupid.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #207
209. Oh bullshit.
You couched your words behind 'some people might' and 'maybe this or that'.
I know what you were saying.
I'm pretty sure everyone else knows what you were saying.
At least have the balls to stand behind your own words. Oh wait, I forgot it's against the DU rules to say that to someone! So of course, you were just saying SOME people might think THIS but not YOU oh no NEVER YOU.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllllshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttt
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #209
219. No. There have been paid operatives here on DU and
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 03:28 AM by Breeze54
they got booted. I wasn't implying anything.

I was just telling you that some might think that.

Take it for what it's worth.

If I was going to accuse you, I would have!!

But I didn't. You're the one who seems paranoid.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #219
221. Sure. Whatever.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:43 AM
Response to Reply #219
232. Do you have proof there were paid operatives on DU?
Did Skinner, Elad or EarlG say so?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #207
213. Aren't you the one that the Hillary campaign gave 500 bucks to so you could disrupt this board?
I thought I remembered you from the last meeting, we told you to stay on those meds, didn't we? You overplayed your hand, I swear, we are going to have to cancel further payments.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #213
220. They have no contact with me...ever!
Good try though...lame. :eyes:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #220
224. Awfully defensive, aren't you?
See you at the next meeting! :hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #224
236. So long ! You're a fool and
looking for a fight.

You interjected yourself in this for your own base needs and quite frankly?

You bore me.

Have a good life.

Stop voting for war mongers and war supporters and we'll all have a better life.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #199
205. You are out of line, Breeze...
the name-calling is uncalled for and you know it.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #205
208. Really? What names have you called me, cynatnite?
Grow up.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #208
210. It's against DU rules and I have not called you any names n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #210
216. Really?
Because I could have sworn you implied quite a few...

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #216
218. Maybe he was only implying some people might think those things.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #216
222. Implied?
Uh, okay. Whatever.

You should apologize for the name-calling, but I have doubts you have the character to do so.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #222
223. There you go again!
You are one nasty person.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #223
226. You call someone
a bitch, braindead, immature, inexperienced, clueless and uneducated, and then have the gall to tell anyone else they are a nasty person? You are a piece of work.

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #173
179. This is just too hilarious.
I'm still waiting for my links.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #179
183. What is funny?
Do you think that people at DU don't suspect some of that behavior?

Get a clue.

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #183
185. In that case, its just as fair for me to think you are an "operative"...
for who, I don't know, but you know, people talk.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #183
186. I really hope they don't
It would say nothing good about them.

Links please.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #137
256. Get bent you moronic wench
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 05:41 PM by HEyHEY
People like YOU are the reason people hate America. It's a fucking discussion board, we can discuss all we want. Fuck, are you dumb.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #126
138. Everyone's opinions count...
Be it here or another country...their opinion counts just as much as yours whether they vote here or not.

We're a nation of free speech and a person doesn't have to be an American to be entitled to it.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #138
145. Thank you very much.
Just as I don't have a hissy fit when Canadian issues (or any other countries issues) are discussed by non-Canadians/Iraqis/Venezuelans/etc, I don't imagine most people here have a problem with out of country posters. It's rarely even been mentioned :)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #138
169. Not in an election that isn't in their country.
You sound like * !!

It's none of their business quite frankly and what they decide is none of ours!

To bad HRC and JE and * didn't get that!!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #169
172. So you think people should shut up because they're not American...
yeah, sounds really progressive of you. :sarcasm:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:51 AM
Response to Reply #172
180. People who interject
their off base political views as fact and sound in a fight that isn't their own should STFU!

I want * to STFU! Don't you? He's in every country telling everyone else what Democracy is

and hasn't clue or a care about it here in the good ole USA!!

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #180
182. You're comparing me to Bush now?
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:54 AM by GirlinContempt
Oh for the love of....

I'm still waiting for you to link me to where I argued with you about Hilary. Why don't you add in some links that show me interjecting my off base political opinion as fact too? Kthnx.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #182
225. You think of
yourself as more important than you should.

You are a joke.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:34 AM
Response to Reply #225
227. Stop comparing me to Bush
and no one will have any reason to think I'm more important than I am.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #227
229. LMAO!!
You're a trip! Keep smoking them though... :P You're doing really good though! :rofl:

I don't recall calling you a complete fucking moron, idiot, fucking asshole but..

....if you really want me to... Naw. I wouldn't do that to you. You aren't worth it.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #229
230. Just read your own posts.
Anyway, it's been fun. Good night.
I look forward to waking up to those links in the morning!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #180
188. Who are stating their views as fact? Point them out, please....
Everyone in the world has a stake in this election. That's my opinion.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #169
177. Considering that she is subject to our stupid fucking foreign policy...
I would say she should have more of a say in our government than you.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:34 AM
Response to Reply #177
228. LMAO! Good thinking...er ... HUH???
Are you totally off your rocker?!? :rofl:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #228
259. Actually, there's a lot of people who would go so far as to say
The rest of the world should elect your president. As your foreign policy effects so many. And because your fucking country can't keep its hands off any other countries. But, you're too narrow minded to even grasp that concept.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #119
244. !
"Don't let your strange hatred for one person lead you down the road of nationalism and provincialism."

:rofl:

:thumbsup:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #100
115. I can see why you'd say that. You have first hand knowledge
and I've seen many tell you the same.

Instead of worrying about what I heard,

you should be worrying about your country.

War is not the answer!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #115
125. I'm not the one pulling shit out of my ass like Rush Limbaugh on a crappy day n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #125
127. You're good at it though!
:P
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. Sheesh, what *specifically* makes Hillary Clinton saying it any different
from every other candidate who has said it, pray tell? I'm still waiting on that one.

Your hatred of Hillary Clinton is so blind, you cannot even find a reason for it. Her last name is Clinton, so therefore, if she does it it's bad.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious when someone has run out of arguments when they start throwing around the good old ad hominems. I'm an asshole....says the person who calls me one. Okay.

If you can't or won't answer that question above....then who is your candidate? Out of curiosity...


PS - why would I change my name to "NYC Clueless GIRL" when I'm not a woman? :shrug: And why is "Girl" underlined...is that supposed to be the insult?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #94
97. She's a DLC corporate war mongering conceited power hungry sycophant!
"throwing around the good old ad hominems" ?

I'd say you're the one who likes to do that but you're missing a lot.

Why don't you tell me what good HRC has done for the world?

Besides voting to allow a killer to invade and pre-emptively strike and kill

in another country and then saying if she's elected she'll continue the same ?

And that she joined hands with Rupert Murdoch of all people!!

Will Anne Coulter be her Press Rep if and when she wins the White House?

I wouldn't put it past her at this point. :puke:

And yet you defend her and people like her. Why?

Are you afraid of the truth? Of freedom?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #97
99. Oh, well since Hillary said it...
:eyes:

Of course, it's okay when ALL the other candidates say it...but not her.

:sarcasm:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #99
101. I'm not discussing the others and I didn't hear them say what she said.
Cool that you finally learned how to use emoticons though!!
What has it been? A year since you asked about it?

You're a "fast" learner! :sarcasm:
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #101
103. Most everyone in this thread said that they ALL do it...
you just want to ignore it so you can continue to bash the one candidate you don't like who happened to say it.

She won New Hampshire. One state. Get over it.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #103
117. I don't care!! I know what I heard
Can you change that?

Get a grip.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #117
121. Yes, and they ALL have said it...
you're just pissed she said it and won New Hampshire.

Calm down. It's just one state. There are a lot more to go and the race is hers to lose just as it is with the other candidates. You're making a fuss over nothing.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #121
129. No. I'm not pissed at that. I can't stand her arrogance.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #129
135. Then just say you don't like her arrogance...
or that you see her as arrogant. You perceive how she says that particular as arrogant and that she's assuming she'll win. That's fine. It's your opinion and it would have saved you a hell of a lot of grief if you had said it to begin with in order to avoid this dog pile you were subjected to.

There is no shame in saying that you should have said it earlier. Everyone makes mistakes and says something on DU they wished they had rephrased better. It's a normal thing. :)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #135
140. I posted what I heard and this being a dog pile wasn't my intention at all
But the "clintonites' descended, as usual and I don't feel grieved at all! ;)

I got to see some people's true agenda's and that's worth a lot to me. ;)
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #140
146. It's supporters from all three candidates telling you the same thing...
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:22 AM by cynatnite
they all say it. You should really do a better job if you're attempting to out Clinton supporters for whatever reason.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #146
191. And what does that tell you?
Let me guess who the three they are supporting...

E, C & O ?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #191
192. It tells me that most everyone in this thread thinks you're wrong...
you might want to loosen up the tin foil hat. I'm afraid you're losing some circulation there.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:05 AM
Response to Reply #192
196. You must be an 'operative' too
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #196
204. Now you're a liar.
Duly noted.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #204
206. Ok, sure.
:yoiks:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #192
202. Hey sweet thing...warmongers are always wrong
If you support them, then so are you.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #101
113. "I didn't hear them say what she said"
www.vote-smart.org.

Type in whichever candidate's name you'd like to look up.

Click "Speeches & Public Statements"

Advanced Search, "Exact Phrase" field.

Put in "As president I" or "When I am president", what have you.

Have fun.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #113
118. Wow!! So you do know how to find out who is
and isn't lying and yet you persist defending someone who's full of shit?

What does that say about you?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #118
120. "you persist defending someone who's full of shit"
I'm not defending you, Breeze54.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #120
130. Good try but you are defending your war mongering "heroine"
Maybe you should stop main lining that too?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #130
134. I'll take someone
with a 96% "Liberal Quotient" from Americans for Democratic Action, a 91.4% lifetime progressive rating, an "A" from the Drum Major Institute's 2005 Congressional Scorecard on middle-class issues, 75% from the ACLU and a 100% pro-choice rating from NARAL anyday.

And you?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #134
144. Even though she votes to kill in other countries?
I guess "those" people don't matter?

I mean, what the hell?? I guess our sons and daughters don't matter either?

Just hers? Because she sure didn't give a rats ass about mine!!

Someone tonight had a poll referring to her as the country's new 'mother' and I wanted to vomit.

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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #144
165. Hillary ignored the UN and sent troops into Iraq?
Gosh she's even more powerful than I thought considering she doesn't even have the authority!

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
So, Mr. President, the question is how do we do our best to both defuse the real threat that Saddam Hussein poses to his people, to the region, including Israel, to the United States, to the world, and at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations?

While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

If we get the resolution that President Bush seeks, and if Saddam complies, disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. Regime change will, of course, take longer but we must still work for it, nurturing all reasonable forces of opposition.

If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.

If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam's compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And, we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.


So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.


My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.


Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.


She voted for it and supported it on the condition that George W BUsh do what he said he was going to do and seek a UN resolution and wait for the inspectors to finish. That is not Hillary Clinton's fault that he lied. It is his.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #165
170. Oh, no! Facts are not fair in a screwed up discussion!
:rofl:

Good job.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #170
198. LOL, silly me! I forgot!
I notice that the poster has yet to respond. But to be fair, I'm sure it's the first time they've bothered to read the speech ;)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:12 AM
Response to Reply #165
201. Well, then she's to stupid to be prez
Many knew that was a really bad idea. She's clueless and she doesn't care.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #201
214. First off, try not to make spelling errors when calling someone "stupid
as in "to stupid"

Second, do you think Bush was sincere in his intentions in invading Iraq?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #214
231. WHAT??? You're asking me a * question??
OMG!!! I'm speechless!!

You really don't get it. Wow.

I guess NYC isn't all it's 'cracked' up to be.

What a trip! :crazy:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #231
235. You've been proven wrong over and over and over again in this thread
Apparently you are the one who doesn't "get it."

It's a trip alright...actually, it's pretty funny watching you freak out over paranoia of "operatives" :rofl:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #235
237. Then you are naive'
and uneducated.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:50 AM
Response to Reply #237
238. Another ad hominem!
Anyone who doesn't agree with you is "uneducated" eh?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #238
239. No, just you !
:D
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #239
240. Do you enjoy writing fiction? nt
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #97
105. Still not answering *either* question, of course.
Why is it bad when Hillary says "As president I will..." but when every other candidate says the same thing (and not just in this election), it's ok, or just "par for the course"?

Yes Ann Coulter will be her press secretary...with a record like this:

* Through 2006, she has a lifetime 96% "Liberal Quotient" from Americans for Democratic Action.<257>
* ProgressivePunch gives her a 91.4% lifetime progressive rating, ranking her the 28th most progressive of current senators.<258>
* Through 2006, she has a lifetime 9% rating from the American Conservative Union.<259>
* She received an 'A' (excellent) on the Drum Major Institute's 2005 Congressional Scorecard on middle-class issues.<260>
* The American Civil Liberties Union has given her a 75% lifetime rating through September 2007.<261>
* NARAL Pro-Choice America consistently gave her a 100% pro-choice rating from 2002 to 2006.<262>
* The League of Conservation Voters has given her a lifetime 90% pro-environment action rating through 2006.<263>
* Americans for Better Immigration has given her a lifetime grade of 'D-' (very near failing) through October 2007 on their Immigration-Reduction Report Card.<264>
* The National Rifle Association gave her an 'F' (failing) rating in 2006 for her stance on Second Amendment issues.<265

she's the biggest right-winger out there! (I see your :puke: and raise you a :eyes:)

Classic anti-Hillary nonsense...low on facts, high on hyperbolic buzzwords.

"Are you afraid of the truth? Of freedom?"

Yes, and I also want the terra-ists to win!!1 I hate America for its freedoms. Sheesh.

PS - who is your candidate?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #105
123. Because her votes don't back up her rhetoric
Do I actually have to type that out for you?

Compare her votes on the war to what she is saying.

Is it that much of a stretch for you? :shrug:

You know? It's OK to realize that you might be wrong.

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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #123
128. What do her votes have to do with the SPECIFIC phrase
"As president I will..."? They have to do with whether she will appoint right-wingers like Ann Coulter -which is why I posted those ratings - but have nothing to do with why when she says "As president..." it's bad, yet when everyone else says it it's just par for the course.

"You know? It's OK to realize that you might be wrong"

Look through the thread and listen to everyone's posts proving YOU wrong.

Go and count the number of posts in this thread that side with your OP.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #128
133. You are a lost cause.
Can you follow a conversation at all?

Just go back and reread the replies in sequence.

Maybe you'll catch up then.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #133
136. Maybe you will answer the question of
why HILLARY saying "As president I will..." is BAD, when it doesn't seem to matter for any of the other candidates.

Her votes (any of them and whatever you think of them) have nothing to do with why she is treated differently there.

Also, who is your candidate?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #136
143. I think she just passed out n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #143
211. Passed out? Who the
fuck are you?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #211
252. Your AA sponsor.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #133
151. I see you are voting for Kucinich:
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 02:24 AM by NYC Liberal
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2618232&mesg_id=2619084

Interesting, because he seems to have this same "arrogance" as Hillary:

And when I am elected President of the United States, in my first day in office I will be ready to push. I will send to the Congress a bill for universal single payer not-for-profit health care.

http://vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=265182&keyword=&phrase=when+i+am+elected&contain=


When I am elected President I intend to restore the educational funding, and I know where the money is.? After the event a young boy and a young girl both came up to me with their brand new copies of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and asked me to sign them. And they knew exactly what I was talking about.

http://vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=83134&keyword=&phrase=when+i+am+elected&contain=


REP. KUCINICH: But it -- listen, every one of us through taking a stand has the potential to help any one of us evolve. That's what -- that's the gift we give to each other. And when someone is president of the United States and is willing to share that with a nation, we can have -- lift up the whole nation in so many ways not only in matters of equality, but in matters of peace, in matters of all social and economic justice. I mean that's what I'm about.

So to be here is an honor because I recognize the journey of so many people in this room, of solitary journeys of courage, real courage, and when you understand that, then of course as president I want to exemplify that because so many of you have already taken that path, and you deserve a leader who's ready to take the same path.

http://vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=310113&keyword=&phrase=as+president+i&contain=


Etc.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #151
154. Well done! n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:44 AM
Response to Reply #154
233. She should get a job in a print shop!
I concur! But can she print what I heard?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #151
212. No...not at all and she said she was president. He didn't.
Good try though...your good at photo shop and highlighting! :thumbsup:

:D
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #212
217. Photoshop?
:wtf:

Anyway, tell me *where* Hillary Clinton said she is president in her speech:

Remarks following the New Hampshire primary

Thank you. Thank you so much. I come tonight with a very, very full heart. And I want especially to thank New Hampshire. Over the last week, I listened to you and in the process, I found my own voice.

I felt like we all spoke from our hearts, and I am so gratified that you responded. Now, together, let's give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me.
For all the ups and downs of this campaign, you helped remind everyone that politics isn't a game. This campaign is about people. It's about making a difference in your lives. It’s about making sure that everyone in this country has the opportunity to live up to his or her God-given potential. That has been the work of my life.

We are facing a moment of so many big challenges. We know we face challenges here at home, around the world, so many challenges for the people whose lives I've been privileged to be part of. I've met families in this state and all over our country who have lost their homes to foreclosures. Men and women who work day and night but can't pay the bills and hope they don't get sick because they can't afford health insurance. Young people who can't afford to go to college to pursue their dreams.

Too many have been invisible for too long. Well, you are not invisible to me.

The oil companies, the drug companies, the health insurance companies, the predatory student loan companies have had seven years of a president who stands up for them. It's time we had a president who stands up for all of you.

I intend to be that president, to be a president who puts you first - your lives, your families, your children, your future. I believe deeply in America, in our can-do spirit, in our ability to meet any challenge and solve any problem. I believe in what we can do together. In the future, we will build together. There will be no more invisible Americans. So we're going to take what we've learned here in New Hampshire, and we're going to rally on and make our case. We are in it for the long run.

And that is because we are in it for the American people. This victory will serve notice that people across our country know what's really at stake, that we will all be called upon to deliver on the promise of America.

We'll be called upon to deliver on the promise that the middle class will grow and prosper again, to deliver on the promise the government will be of the people, by the people and for the people, not just the privileged few, to deliver on the promise that every generation will have their shot at the American dream, to deliver on the promise that we'll have the will and the wisdom to end the war in Iraq the right way, to deliver on the promise to take care of our brave veterans and restore America’s standing, respect, and credibility around the world.

We know that for the promise of America to be real, we are called upon to deliver on that promise. And if you join in this call to greatness, we will, together, answer. So tomorrow, we're going to get up, roll up our sleeves and keep going.
I invite you to come join us at Hillaryclinton.com. We're going to tap into all of the spirit, the talent and just the plain grit of this great nation again.
We are determined to tackle our toughest problems and stand up to those who most need a champion because we are determined to make America work again for all of our people.

We came back tonight because you spoke loudly and clearly. You want this campaign to be about you because there is so much at stake for our country.
I have so many people to thank. I want to thank the two most important people in my life, Bill and Chelsea. I want to thank them for their incredible commitment, their passion and their heart. I want to thank my entire family, particularly my mother, who is watching tonight.
I want to thank the extraordinary team here in New Hampshire that never faltered one minute. That team had a great staff. It had volunteers and supporters from across the state and this country. I want to thank the young people across New Hampshire who came out.

They asked the hard questions and they voted their hearts and their minds and I really appreciate it.
Finally, I want to say how much I respect our Democratic candidates. Senators Dodd and Biden who were in the race earlier have given great service to our country. Governor Richardson, Congressman Kucinich, Senator Edwards and Senator Obama.

They all have put themselves on the line day and night on behalf of this country we love so much.

This campaign will transform America because we will take on the challenges. We will seize the opportunities. Every single day, I am not going out there on my own. I am going out there accompanied by millions and millions of people who believe, as I do, that this country is worth fighting for.


Thanks.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:41 AM
Response to Original message
91. All the candidates do that
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:47 AM
Response to Original message
108. One of the nuttier threads on DU...
and really, one of the more hilarious.

Apparently, it can be pointed out a million times that all presidential candidates say the same sort of thing, post screenshots, give links, etc. Won't make a bit of difference to someone who is committed to an idea born of hatred.

I'll try. Breeze, for the love of God, listen. All presidential candidates refer to themselves as if they were president. It's what they do. There's no conspiracy. No one knows "what we don't know" at least about this.

Sheesh.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. I think this one is almost as funny as the one where
that poster INSISTED that the 22nd Amendment precludes Hillary from becoming president, as the spouse of a former president....it went on for a few hundred replies before it was locked I believe :rofl:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #108
215. LMAO!!
I hear you!! :hi:

You make one observation and the Clintonites descend like vampires!!

It's amazing to me.

Where were they when it came to stopping the war though?

I guess they were at Walmart
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:51 AM
Response to Original message
111. Keep your powder dry...
They ALL do it. Just because Hillary said it, that's worse, huh?

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:17 AM
Response to Original message
139. Just when you think the bar can't get any lower, it suddenly does.
The attacks this primary season have been have been piss poor at best, this is the lamest attempt yet. Every Presidential candidate says what she said. Watch any debate or any stump speech by any of the candidates running in either party and they all speak under the presumption that they are going to win. This is the poorest attack on any candidate I've seen so far this season.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:45 AM
Response to Reply #139
234. A comment about a speech isn't an attack
Grow a thicker skin
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:05 AM
Response to Reply #234
241. I have more than sufficiently thick skin my friend.
I was here during the '03-'04 Primary wars backing General Clark. I'm just saying that Clinton used language that every other person who has ever run for President has used. To try to pin some conspiracy on her campaign due to something as ridiculous as that is beneath the intelligence of everyone on this site, including the Freeper trolls.

If you want to say that Senator Clinton is going to win because the same corporate cocksuckers who stole the elections for the Chimp are going to do the same for her then say that. But don't use something as ludicrous as her use of a future perfect tense as a premise for knocking her down.
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Party Line Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #234
251. Ya know
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 03:43 PM by Party Line
I think that when other people in this thread were expressing concern about your mental stability they were being sincere.

I strongly urge you to consider talking to a counselor or someone similar.

Good Luck! Best Wishes!
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:17 AM
Response to Original message
141. Gawd almighty, it's starting up again
It's common for candidates to say "as President I will..." or "When I am President..." She isn't the only to say this.

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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:47 PM
Response to Original message
245. Holy moley, this thread is hilarious.
The OP is delusional. :rofl: Every single Presidential candidate my entire life has talked like this...wow, Hillary is LAST on my list of candidates, and I mean last, but DAMN. This shit is amazing!
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #245
253. Stop drinking bloodwine with HRC!!!!
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:23 PM
Response to Original message
247. This has to be one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time.
Oh man, my ribs hurt.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #247
248. Admit it.
You lounge "operatives" were on a mission to destroy a GD thread.

:rofl:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #248
249. Watch out!!! he's a CANADIAN too!
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #248
250. Hey man, I was asleep through all of this.
But I am so disappointed that I missed out.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #247
263. its possibly one of the dumbest too.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #263
264. To say the least.
All part of the hilarity.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:11 PM
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254. They all do that, honey. It's called campaigning for president. nt
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:52 PM
Response to Original message
260. Didn't ya hear me, bitch? I'm Rick James!


:rofl:

This is the craziest thread I've seen all day! Just adding to the insanity...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:57 PM
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262. what bullshit. ALL The candidates say "when i am president...blah blah"
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