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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:47 AM
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Hey America- 9-11 is over--git yer shit together already, JESUS!
What the fuck are you smoking America? Jesus, wake up already will ya? Snap the fuck out of your nine eleven induced stupor and focus will ya for Christ's sake? Are you drunk, stoned, over-medicated or over entertained? Shall we just stand there and die rather than do something?

And the answer comes back, 'hey hotshot, why don't YOU do something'? What are YOU doing to fight tyranny besides bitch and moan into the ethernet at strangers? Don't ask me, I am totally clueless and not proud to admit it.

Look at our nation. We are an embarrassment, from our president down. We should all be ashamed of ourselves, but we're too proud for that. Did nine eleven do all this? Is THAT what turned us all into zombies and robots? What mass mind control trick is preventing us from doing what we are constitutionally duty bound to do? What junkie sickness makes us paralyzed to act against these monsters? Just look at us, are we THAT powerless? How can we even hold our heads up anymore?

Did nine eleven scare you? Did it change you forever? Did it make you into a different person than you were on nine ten? Or is the truth worse? Is the truth that you don't even want to talk about nine eleven? Maybe that you are tired of talking about and thinking about the war that nobody can stop or 'win'? Maybe you're just waiting it out till things get better on their own?

The world is looking at our nation with increasing alarm, wondering what the fuck our problem is, and wondering why we don't 'do something' about it. If you look at America as if it were a single person, that person is in serious need of medical attention, physical and mental, that person is suffering a severe type of psychosis induced by trauma and stress and addiction. Uncle Sam is on a crash course for a full blown nervous breakdown.

Sure nine eleven was an awful thing, and it hurts to remember it, and it hurts to think about it, and its scary to think of it happening again, and its easy to imagine that our government can protect us, and its comforting to pretend that our elected officials know what's best for us. But for Christ's sake, look what we've allowed ourselves to become because of it.

Look how they've exploited the horror of nine eleven, and still are, constantly, yet at the same time they never show the men and women leaping from the flames to their deaths, they never show the horrible re-runs of the towers collapsing, they know we don't want to talk about it, we don't want to see it or think about it, we don't want to be reminded that the man who supposedly did it is still out there, un-captured.

They never show us the 4000 dead U.S. Soldiers, they never show us the uncountable thousands of dead Iraqis, and they never show us the torture tapes or the billions of bucks in profits they are making from all that murder and death, ALL BECAUSE OF NINE ELEVEN. They are fucking with our heads big time, and we stand around like we're in the checkout line at Walmart, as if this were all perfectly normal.

For Christ's sake America, pick yourselves up, brush yourselves off, and start the fuck all over again will ya? And SOON.



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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:57 AM
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1. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for..
saying everything I have been thinking. K&R.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:45 AM
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2. The over-reaction to 9/11 has been mind-boggling.
I would never have thought that the entire country would be thrown into a full-blown anxiety attack for years and years and years by one attack, however horrific. My God, the continuous attacks on America and its system of government by bush and cheney have been much worse and have struck directly at the heart of the nation.

How could bin Laden have suspended our Constitution? How could he have ruined the Department Of Justice? How could he have bankrupted our treasury? How could he have turned the whole world against us? How could he force us to break our own military in a needless war? Obviously, foreign terrorists could not accomplish any of these destructive acts. They can knock down buildings, but it took bush and cheney to bring down the entire nation. It's as if they are working for the terrorists!

bush was warned about bin Laden in August 2001 and did nothing. He responded to 9/11 by invading Iraq, which had nothing to do with it, based on a campaign of lies. These are not the actions of a wise leader. They are the actions of an enemy of the state.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:25 AM
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3. True. With "presidents" like bu$hit, WHO NEEDS binLaden or terrorists?
When we have the biggest, most dangerous despots in our own White House. Pfft!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:27 AM
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4. What ever happened to "Standing Tall"?
I guess it's easier to stand tall when you are bombing than it is when you are being bombed.
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:19 PM
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38. We have meet the terrorists and they are us ...
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 05:58 PM by Gonnuts
Why separate the terrorists accused of attacking us on 9/11 from the ones that have fostered all the other destruction you've mentioned? Wouldn't it stand to reason that the people who benefited from 9/11 had something to do with 9/11? Why else would they have fought tooth and nail not to have an investigation and when finally forced to made it a controlled whitewash?

And you have to consider that to date the FBI has never linked Osama BinLaden to the attacks. The only evidence of this has been allegations from the administration, NO formidable evidence has ever been put forth, NO proper criminal investigation has ever been done. So to wit the whole 9/11 official story is just that - a story.

If the truth of 9/11 were ever to be exposed a tsunami of change would sweep the world and wipe elitist parasites from power who feed off the masses and peace may well rein for a time. But I'm not holding my breath.

The rage felt in this rant is one I feel everyday. Every time I hear one of these pigs bring-up 9/11 to justify another repressive policy I want reach into my TV screen and strangle them. It's hard for me to believe that the average Joe can sit on his couch and find we've been lied to about 9/11 and so-called leaders, who have access to far more information we would have, don't know of or suspect there is something wrong with the whole 9/11 official story.

But it is the denial I run into that really gets to me. I run into many who simply refuse to even consider that it wasn't just 19 cave-dwellers behind 9/11. They won't even dare look at any of the evidence. Maybe it's fear of confirmation that everything you've ever believed in is a lie? That if true, you would be faced with truth that would shatter the very foundations of your belief system and feel totally helpless. I don't know. But I know it exists and it's further fostered by the powers-that-be that we should only think about 9/11 when it suits their purpose and then be put back on the shelf.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:15 AM
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60. Frankly, the biggest tragedy of 9-11 ...
is that it was a lost moment ...

In our country's history, we have often been at our best during incredibly trying times ... On November 8, 2001, the country was on cruise control ... Things had taken a real positive upturn during the 90s and everyone was incredibly self absorbed, having let the right wing coopt our government by endless sniping, they had forced a nation to elect an idiot "who you would want to have a beer with" as much as anything just to shut up the never ending railing on the right ...
OK, for christ sakes, here is your god fearing conservative, now are you happy ...

SO, Bushco and the Rs who pretty much controlled by sides of congress were slowly and softly trying to push the country in a direction that met their extreme agenda ... Overall, everyone in the country was doing OK, so people were just oblivious ...

But, 9-11 could have provided a seminal moment that would have focused our country on mission that could have transformed our country and perhaps the world ...

ANY president of ANY quality would have used 9-11 to drive an Appollo style energy program ... On 9-12, if we would have had the leadership we truly needed, the presidnent would have demanded that CAFE standards be bumped up immediately, that all auto manufactuers would have to have most of, if not all of their fleet into hybrids within a reasonable amount of time, would have put signficant money and governement resources into the study and determination of the next generation of transportation and set a timetable to start to adapt our infrastructure to support it ...

The country would have been 100 percent behind this, and congress would have had no choice but to go along ...

TODAY, our CAFE standards should be in the 40s ... TODAY most new cars should be hybrids ... TODAY we should KNOW what our next mode of transportation will be ... TODAY we should be working on making it happen ...

To me, that is the saddest thing about 9-11 ... Thinking about it still enrages me today, and I would put the bullet in Bin Laden's head myself if I could ... And, it drives me to a red hot anger how the Rs have used 9-11 as a political sledge hammer for more than half a decade now - use it to promote ideas and agendas that do nothing to honor or deal with it ...

But, the biggest tragedy is that so much good could and should have come from it ...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:41 AM
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5. Oh Philosoraptor
You have such an unbelievably post Magna Carta mentality !!!

KIDDING

Seriously though, I think about it a lot. I generally don't feel eventualities ever occur due to a singular cause.

Here we have a bizarre mix of apathy, over medication, escapism, a disingenuous media, a well warranted distrust in our electoral system resulting in a populace entirely bereft of anything remotely resembling representative leadership, corporate slavery resulting in far too many operating in survival mode and suffering from a time famine.

Sometimes I see it as a collective case of Stockholm syndrome where we have been lulled into a false sense of security by our captors and abusers.

When career public servants like Col. Anne Wright are thrown in the slammer for saying, "Put him under oath," protesters at the last Republican National Convention were housed in a toxic warehouse for days, and when hundreds of thousands take to the streets and have their numbers completely minimized, disenchantment is certainly understandable.

One thing for sure is corporations never ever, ever should have been granted the rights of personhood. Yikes.

Not to be a stickler, but reports of more than a million dead Iraqis have been circulating for nearly a couple years.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2565672

We've such a mess here that as I've said countless times before and feel really deeply, our dire circumstances will more than likely not be remedied by traditionally conventional or linear means exclusively.

Chin up Philosoraptor, this system is in essence completely unsustainable. Still it will probably fall by the same folly of every Imperial power throughout recorded history. That would be in part, by their own hubris.

:hi:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:42 AM
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6. Empathize w/your sentiment. Even if one buys the "blow back" theory...
As Chomsky points out, realistically, what occurred on 9/11 is quite a minor example of the broad ravaging and mass murder that the American govt and its proxy allies have been carrying out against large sectors of the planet for a very long time. In my estimation, that 9/11 was/is used so opportunistically serves as all the more reason an independent investigation need occur. Always look to who benefits the most from a crime ... and in the case of the U.S. govt and 9/11, there were certainly segments that had established long term aims/goals that were openly contingent upon it {PNAC and "the new Pearl Harbor"} as a means of justifying said plans. It still amazes me how so many are in denial over that ugly, irrefutable fact.
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:46 AM
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7. K&R.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:48 AM
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8. Yes, we are drunk, stoned and overmedicated on over entertainment..
and shiny trinkets from Wal-Mart.

9/11 should have been our alarm clock, but the pretzeldunce convinced everybody that if they just went shopping (more drugs, more booze) everything would be okay, and we bought it. Like all addicts, we're in denial.

We'll all be checking into the Betty Ford Center soon. Those $5/gallon gas prices are coming, as is a global financial crisis we haven't seen the likes of since 1929. Add to that the increasingly chaotic effects of global warming, and folks the party is over.
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:37 PM
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39. Concur ...
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 05:41 PM by Gonnuts
Leonard Cohen: from "The Future": "... things gonna slide - slide in all directions - won't be anything to measure any more ... I've seen the Future and it is murder ..."
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:37 PM
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40. Concur ...
Lenard Cohen: from "The Future": "... things gonna slide - slide in all directions - won't be anything to measure any more ... I've seen the Future and it is murder ..."
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:39 PM
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41. oops .. sorry about the double-post
how does one delete a message they've posted?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:04 AM
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9. one of the best reads I've ever read
as I look down at our 9 month old grand daughter with the tears streaming down my face I resolve to do all I can at every moment to stop this run away madman and his henchmen. What we American are doing collectively is insane, we're better than this
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:17 AM
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10. K&R
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:18 AM
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11. AMEN! n/t
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:36 AM
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12. Ya know... I live in New York City.
I watched the towers collapse from near my Brooklyn apartment with my own two eyes. Friends of mine saw the second plane hit. I was able to detect the putrid smell of death in the air. I and many others got sick with these mysterious illnesses in the months and years afterwards. While I was lucky enough not to have known anyone who died that day, I know several people who lost loved ones. My cousin had a noon job interview in WTC #2. Luckily, she hadn't gotten on the subway yet. We were all freaked out for quite a while.

However, we here in New York City are TOTALLY over it. We are in the midst of a building boom. I am part of a vibrant local arts culture. Young people are flocking here and for the most part, at least from where I sit, New York City has licked its wounds, gotten past the pain and feels pretty optimistic. And it has been that way since... oh, I don't know... mid 2003? We haven't forgotten, but we certainly don't dwell on it. I don't know the last time I had a conversation with another local about 9/11.

I have said many times over the years, and will say it again on this thread - I don't live in America. I live in New York City. It really feels like a different country. I go to visit my mother in southern New Jersey, or go just about anywhere else, and it's a completely different place. And I really don't like it! It's shallow and vapid and fearful. It's fat and stupid and lazy. It's priorities are completely misguided. It's delusional. America is delusional. Oh, there are nice people in America to be sure, and on a good day they are among the most generous people in the world. But they haven't had a good day in over six years. And it's their own fucking fault.

I've met people who I just want to slap around and say "What the fuck is wrong with your brain? Wake the fuck up and smell the fact that you are being exploited, ripped off, lied to and cheated, and when they're done ass-raping you each day, you beg for more! WAKE THE FUCK UP!"

But so many of them don't want to wake up. And I don't particularly care anymore. There seem to be legions of stupid people in America who fight and claw and work very hard to stay stupid and I don't care anymore. I've gotten out there in the streets to protest, putting my ass on the line for their benefit. I've risked getting spied on and worse by the government they elected, to try to get back the rights that were stolen from them. And what do I get in return? I get called unpatriotic. Fuck 'em!

When it comes to the question of "why don't YOU do something?" I am doing something. I'm living frugally and artfully and helping build a village within a city of people who are doing the same. I don't give Corporatia much money, and I try to make the world just a little bit better when possible. It doesn't always work out that way, because I get mad at the idiots. I can be snarky online, but in person I try to always be polite. I have people who love me, and I work to spread the love. And this coming spring and summer, it's gonna get big. And the rest of America can wallow in its vapidity and I don't really care. I don't watch television, so I miss much of the death throes of this once great nation. However, here in the nation of New York City, things are, for the most part, going pretty well!



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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:24 AM
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14. Thank you iamahaingttta
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:32 AM
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15. Great post, iamahaingttta!
You were there,are there now
and know first hand what is going on.

:applause:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:34 AM
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17. Who's getting rich from the building boom?
Look at those midtown highrises and think about it.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:29 PM
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26. That's not the building boom...
...that I'm a part of. I don't even know the last time I went to midtown. I don't think I've been above 23rd street in 2 years. I'm part of the building boom in Brooklyn and Queens, where it's much smaller scale. Except for the Ratner fiasco. And a lot of the small developers in the outer boroughs are about to get screwed by the mortgage crisis. Whatever.

The point is - PEOPLE WANT TO COME LIVE IN NEW YORK!

We don't cower in fear here. We know that we are just about everybody's favorite target, including our own government. But we LIVE! Many Americans in paranoid shit-hole boondocks live in fear that they are gonna get blown up, when nobody gives a shit about them. They are fodder and suckers, and they think that Osama is coming to get them, and that GWB is the only thing keeping them alive. It would be laughable if it weren't both so sad and so frightening.

In New York, we eat, we drink, we laugh, we fuck, we play music, we have a good time. For tomorrow we may die? And so it goes...
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:26 PM
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53. Answer: Bloomberg, Time-Warner, New York Times, Hearst
etc etc. Bloomberg Tower (aka One Beacon Court, on the site of the former Alexander's department store) TAKES UP AN ENTIRE MANHATTAN CITY BLOCK.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Tower

Maybe you don't know these particular highrises, but these are gigantic, hugely expensive building projects that were all started just before 911.

Next question: how did all these media companies know to put all this commercial office space on the market?

Answer: they're getting rich on real estate in exchange for helping Halliburton get a certain asbestos liability off its hands.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:58 PM
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32. I read once that many New Yorkers live there to "get away from America"
and, really, who can blame them?

NYC -- What a kick-ass town that is!! :loveya:
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Johnny Noshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:01 PM
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42. Thanks
from a happy, SANE and UNAFRAID New Yorker. Damn right we're a Kick Ass Town :)
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:04 AM
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59. Seems to me the further you are from the horror the more it effected you
I once got into a political arguement with my Republican brother-in-law. At one point he said "Don't you understand 3,000 Americans were killed by terrorists. The terrorists want to kill us"

My husband, who'd been pretty quiet, said "Oh I understand it. I was standing a block away from the Trade Center, I saw the explosion when the second plane hit. Oh and by the way, a half hour ealier and I would have been in that building."

Brother-in-law, who somehow seemed to think that we'd been to busy reading Noam Chomsky or something to notice the incineration of 3000 Americans seemed surprised. I don't know how he'd missed this point. My husband's dined out on his World Trade Center eyewitness story for years.

At that point I ripped into him. Where's Osama Bin Laden? Why is he still breathing? Why did Bush turn away from the war in Afganistan which was a just war that we could have won and went into Iraq. Why is Afganistan a mess? Shouldn't we have done what we could to help that country recover? Why are the Taliban making a comeback? How does losing not one but two wars make us any safer?

Brother-in-law retreated into the back bedroom and didn't come out until dinner when all political discussion was outlawed.

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:48 AM
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13. Big kick. Big rec. Great post. nt
nt
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:32 AM
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16. Except for the trials
And the executions. Let's not forget that justice hasn't been served, and there are quite a few of us who will not shut up and get over it for the benefit of uber-rich Texas predators.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:39 AM
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18. But...but... 9/11 Changed Everything...
It sure did. It allowed our homegrown terrorists at 1600 Pennsylvania to conjure up a brand new external threat to replace the USSR. It scared the shit out of our former swaggering rugged individualists -- the same pathetic chowder heads who now cower in terror that some swarthy fanatics might do them in if they don't go shopping and vote GOP.

They try to cover up their fear through the use of totems like the flag and little magnetic ribbons and tribal screams of USA! USA! USA! But they're still living narrow little lives of self-pitying victimization, limited by the scope of their cowardice and their visceral dread of the official bogey men.

The official 9/11 story is the lynchpin, the keystone supporting every single act of international aggression and domestic repression this administration has been able to get away with for the past six years. Absent 9/11, or at least the official BushCo-approved conspiracy theory, they don't have a leg to stand on. Demolish the official coincidence theory and their entire rationale crumbles.

That's why attacking, exposing, discrediting and ultimately disproving the official 9/11 myth is so critical to the continued survival of the republic. Even Ms. Nancy might find grounds to allow impeachment hearings to proceed once the 9/11 armor rusts away.

So when I see otherwise intelligent and perceptive people doing BushCo's PR work for them right on this very board, defending the official story with the rabid tenacity of the truly desperate, I have to wonder at the level of denial these people must have constructed inside themselves to be able to accept this ridiculous fairy tale.

Fear is a powerful thing and believing BushCo's 9/11 cover story, while aggressively ignoring the most basic unanswered questions, provides insulation against the cognitive dissonance and bottomless cynicism that would accompany admitting to themselves that this particular administration is so utterly malevolent that it would plan and execute mass murder against its own citizens for purely political reasons.


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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:26 AM
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23. It Changed One Other Thing, Warren
It revealed to the ignorati that not everyone thinks that highly of us. In fact, there are people who actually hate our gov't. They've been around for decades. You knew it. I knew it. But, MILLIONS didn't. Now they do. And that has scared the daylights out of them.
The Professor
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:48 PM
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25. Oh baloney. It revealed just the opposite.
Apart from the fact that it was a false flag operation there were pourings of grief and sincere sympathy from every nation and foreign leader including our alleged "enemy" Saddam, which I have to tell you made me think highly of him.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:35 PM
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28. Yeah, good point...
I suppose that's the difference between the Howard Zinn, et al vs. The History Channel versions of the US its role in international affairs.

The fear of and hatred for US foreign policy dates, I suppose, to the early 1900s -- the Spanish American War, the US invasion of the Philippines, Teddy Roosevelt sending the Great White Fleet on a round the world tour in a blatant show of force on behalf on US imperialism.

A similarly undisguised demonstration of either a) pure hatred for the US and all it stands for, or b) the contempt and cynicism necessary to execute the all time champ of false-flag operations occurred on 9/11/01.

Either possibility apparently terrifies people who were exposed to and internalized the American benevolence creation myth at an early age and have lived their entire lives in Raygun's shining city on a hill. They cling to fables like the one about the great white US father intervening around the world only on the side of freedom and justice and only when absolutely necessary to spread democracy.

To these people, there were no 15 million or so indigenous North Americans murdered by European weapons and microbes so that they could steal an entire continent. It's just a footnote that millions of slaves were kidnapped from their homes, chained in the holds of ships so crowded and filthy that many died en route to "the promised land." They don't want to hear about the Mexicans, who had about half their country stolen from them under threat of US military invasion in the great 1848 land grab -- called by history the Mexican War -- that included Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Utah and Nevada. They've never heard of those victims of "manifest destiny" who were murdered, imprisoned or sent to detention camps (now called "reservations") in the most inhospitable parts of the country so that white people could steal any useful land that they hadn't already seized.

The gap between the American myth and the American reality is so huge that ignoring it requires either pure idiocy, total historical ignorance or epic hypocrisy -- all at levels that are nearly off the charts. But thanks to our awful educational system, bias against intellect, pop culture celebrity intoxication and irrelevant mass media, there's no shortage of idiocy, ignorance and hypocrisy. Mix in a little ol' time religion and it's open season on rationality.

I wish it were otherwise. I wish I could believe that changing regimes would fix these problems and drive this country closer to the values represented by the creation myth. But the evidence of the past seven years suggests that's not going to happen for a very long time. Maybe a new, independent, international investigation of who did what to whom on 9/11 might speed things up a bit.


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bpcmxr Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:44 PM
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36. Amen to all of that!
And beautifully written.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:40 AM
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19. Big Kick and Recommend.


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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:53 AM
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20. Could you clean that up and repost it farther down thread?
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 11:00 AM by midlife_mo_Jo
Nothing personal, but I'd love to send it out to some friends and family if you don't mind. Must be mindful of the audience, you know, and I think this might really resonate.

And if I may suggest, I would change it to something like 4000 dead soldiers, untold numbers of dead private contract workers, and HUNDREDS of thousands of dead Iraqis. :(

And if you'd mention the loss of civil rights that we are allowing all because of the fear mongering. And the money that is being spent that could be used HERE.


This has the making of something that should be sent far and wide across the web!

I hope you aren't offended by my suggestions.:
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:05 AM
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21. The ONLY thing I'm not over about 9/11 is:
Flying to figure-skating competitions and having to check my skates (the TSA has banned them as sharp objects). It's always a game of Russian Roulette, and the trip always seems to take longer having to wait to find out if my skates will make it at the other end. :scared:
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:47 PM
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30. The ONLY thing I'm not over about 9/11 is:
the people i know who died, and my old neighborhood that was blown up.

I do agree with almost all the things that have been posted here, except that "not being over 9/11" doesn't mean I'm not working to make this world a better place.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:23 AM
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22. I've been saying it for years! Wake the fuck up! K&R
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:25 PM
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24. ..................
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:33 PM
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27. Don't you know 9/11 changed everything?
c'mon get behind Guliani and throw some more ribbon magnets on your SUV! or else you'll let the turists win.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 01:35 PM
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29. Thank you, great post.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 03:15 PM
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31. To pick up the "America as if it were a single person" example...
...America is like a musclebound idiot, obsessed with TV and drugs, borrowing money from people that wanna see him fall, giving it to his drugdealers, littering where he can, getting into one barroom brawl after the other, lying he looks for that sucker who punched him in the face that day in September...while his friends turn away from him one after the other.
And he isn't LEARNING!

Great post! Wholeheartedly recommend it!

For me, 9/11 "didn't change everything", too. And I grow sicker and sicker of it everytime I hear about civil liberties threatened or cut. ( And it's going on in Europe, too )

Home of the free and brave...not so much.

PLEASE make it so it will be like that again!!! PLEASE
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:05 PM
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33. Bravo!! Fantastic Post!!
Some of this crap reminds me of the movie The Village. Every time it gets a little hot in DC along comes another Osama message and we are to run and hide. I will of course never forget 9-11 and the tragedy any more than I can forget the end of WW2 and the jubilation. But I have moved on and don't intend to live whatever life I have left living in fear!
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:32 PM
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34. reichstag fire anyone.
9-11 was that part of the plan to fasciscize the united states.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:26 PM
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43. Agreed.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:35 PM
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35. The pandering must end.
An excellent post sir!

K & R
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 05:07 PM
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37. Best Op EVER! ... 911-exploited to the hilt!
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 05:49 PM by DianaForRussFeingold
Thank You, Philosoraptor for stating so eloquently, what needs to be said :hug:

Shame, on those who covered up and then went on to exploit the worst crime, ever...
Also,shame on anyone who enabled them and profited from 911! :spank:

They have exploited this tragedy and all of the sorrow--to the hilt. :cry:
I'm sick,sick,Sick, of all their shameless exploitation!

-- John Fogerty's "I Can't Take It No More," from his latest album "Revival," set in the context of the antiwar movement.- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92_cvK9FvN0 :kick:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:33 PM
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44. Wonderful post, Phil
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 06:33 PM by Blue_In_AK
I couldn't agree with you more. The "powers that be" act like the US is the only country that's ever had an attack like this, when in fact we were probably the only country that hadn't had one. Good grief, if we had gotten hammered like London did in WW II, we probably never would have recovered with our present mind set. We need to get over ourselves and join the rest of the world.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:17 PM
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45. The M$M needs a massive overhaul
I think there are enough people who are concerned, but it's the corporate-owned media that keeps playing things as though everything were normal.

THAT has got to stop. I think the press has been as guilty of treason as anyone in government.
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gsplfnk Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:23 PM
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46. You would like to revise or bury history?
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 08:07 PM by gsplfnk
Excuse me, but there are some outstanding issues about 9/11 that we should not get over, at least until the basic mysteries are solved. At the very least, we need to to know if our government was complicit in either planning the caper or simply allowing it to happen.

Before we can casually brush ourselves off and find our new Little Miss Mary Sunshine day, we need some basic truths about an event that has shaped and perhaps conveniently allowed a "flawed" foreign policy for the last seven years.

You are already forgetting the history that got got us into Afghanistan and Iraq, the same history that is being leveraged right now to get get us into Iran and Syria. We need to look at the roots of this history and our revisionist historians before we go about wantonly killing more Muslims, dig?

I'm sorry 9/11 is hurtful for you to think about, Philosoraptor, that it hangs about you so. I'm sure you suffered great personal loss on 9/11, but the truth is, we won't really get the taste of Bush or Cheney et al out of our mouths until we know the truth about that event.

Buck up, dear boy. 9/11 is the nub of it all. It will only imperil and degrade our nation futher to sweep that event under the carpet.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:50 PM
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47. It's turned us into a bunch cowering fools who will gladly give up any and all rights
for the mere ILLUSION of safety. It was tragic and shocking but I don't believe as a nation we've done one goddamned thing to make us any safer. The government has taken fear and turned it on us so that we're willing to cower in the corner waving our flag and letting all our freedoms be taken from us. We've made a mockery of bravery and heroism. We've made sacrifices with our civil liberties, we've made sacrifices of the men and women who serve in our armed forces but we haven't given up our gas guzzling ways, we haven't found solutions to our problems. Instead we've just waved our flags and stuck fucking magnets on the backs of our cars, and taken off our shoes at the airport to prove that we're brave Americans. It's pathetic really.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:45 PM
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48. The Brits faced FAR worse in WWII
And yet they showed the world how to handle naked aggression - just tell the enemy to fuck themselves and carry on as normal.

America has it exactly backwards.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:29 PM
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49. Yes...Yes...Yes
My favorite line

<snip>
we stand around like we're in the checkout line at Walmart, as if this were all perfectly normal.
<snip>


Like the Good Germans who chose to look the other way....

Wake the fuck up America!
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:09 PM
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50. Fuck you
They don't show us the dead....
whether it's our soldiers or the Iraqis...
but 9-11 happened....
and we lost people that we loved....
DO NOT EVER TELL ME TO GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EVER.....
I am voting for a new beginning..
and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FUCKING IDEALS....


lost



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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:38 PM
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54. Good post
Haruka lost two people on 9-11, a WTC worker and a Port Authority cop. She won't forget it. None of us should.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:16 PM
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51. Don't tell Ghouliani - his entire campaign is centered around 9-11
And they accuse US of playing politics with 9-11.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:17 PM
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52. The Answer Is This: 9/11 Had Nothing To Do With Iraq
or Saddam or the mess we're in...

the exploitation of it by pols is horrid

The event, the tragedy of 9/11 Should NEVER be forgotten.

We lost nearly 3000 American souls that day, people who had families, friends, and loved ones who now are no longer with us.

It's the exploitation that is the crime

the exploitation and lies that America needs to get over

The exploitation, and lies, and actions taken justified by lies

That's what's fucked, that's what needs to go...

Then 9/11 can be remembered for what it was, a terrible attack on Americans... but not the excuse or the rallying cry to become an imperialistic nation.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:01 PM
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55. (must be something in the water) K&r n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 11:04 PM
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56. Why do you hate America?

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:18 AM
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57. 9/11 was an inside job. And that's ok with you?
Not something I'm ever going to get over -- so just get over it.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:19 AM
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58. Hell no its not o.k. with me.
Sometimes I just don't explain myself well enough.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 06:20 AM
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61. That was the intention with the 2006 election.
Unfortunately, we got stuck with Reid and Pelosi and a whole lot of corporate ass-kissing career politicians more worried about keeping their jobs than what is good for the nation. It's going to take some time to clear out the DINOs due to the fact that our primary opposition will be the DLC-controlled Democratic Party.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 06:58 AM
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62. ...............
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 07:11 AM
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63. K&R'd
:bounce:
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