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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:30 AM
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Am I the only one that believes consultants are destroying humanity?
It seems every god-awful decision made in politics, business, government, or whatever is made or influenced by these slick, smooth-talking consultants with their MBA way of looking at the world. Their focus groups, market research, by-the-numbers approaches seem to be destroying virtually everything I hold dear with disgusting, pallid, lifeless corporatism. Am I the only one that believes these guys are a cyst on the ass of humanity?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:33 AM
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1. No. I worked for one. It's all sport to them. nt
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:35 AM
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2. You Are Not
You are certainly NOT the only one that believes consultants are destroying humanity.

They are -- all of them -- nothing more than well-dressed stupid little snobs who know only how to spout buzz words.

They truly are scum.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:39 AM
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3. You're not alone....
more often than not they are wrong. The cyst should be dug out and discarded.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:44 AM
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4. no you're not
Personally, I'd like to put the most well-known of these a-holes on a leaky boat and set them loose in the deepest part of the ocean.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:50 AM
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5. Ahhh, I'm a consultant. Just thought you neeed to know that, I'm an evil fucking consultant.
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 11:52 AM by xultar
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:43 PM
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10. We knew that, xultar, and
we still love ya anyway.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 08:43 PM
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18. I'm a consultant too.
I guess I just hide my horns and tail better than most. :evilgrin:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:23 AM
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21. Me, too.
:cry: Nobody loves us.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:54 AM
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6. Nope.
You should see the "consultants" that run my company... truly disturbing.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:35 PM
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7. It´s not the consultants which are destructive ...
Edited on Wed Jan-02-08 12:36 PM by Angela Shelley
it´s the mass numbers of individuals who refuse to THINK for themselves which keep society from functioning correctly.

"Consulting" is a legitimate profession.




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wain Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:42 PM
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9. True. Consultants don't make the decision for the corporation.
Too many decision makers hide behind consultant recommendations i.e. recommendations they want and sought. Corporate boards do the same.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:40 PM
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8. Depends on the consultants...


Sid
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:56 PM
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17. Eh' Michael Bolton fans. Not a good example.
:D
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:44 PM
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11. I don't know - seems like a broad brush
Every campaign for example, including Kucinich's has consultants.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:45 PM
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12. "The Consultantocracy"
http://dvo4txag.blogspot.com/2006/04/what-i-mean-by-consultantocracy.html

>>>Snip
The consultantocracy is the collection of unelected operatives who direct Democratic Party strategies and tactics from behind the scenes down the path of relentless failure. The consultantocracy operates in inherent conflict of interest because it is
both advisor and vendor, continually advising Democrats that the way out of the wilderness is simply to purchase more of its wares, although the strategies, tactics, and programs it sells continually lead to failure.

The consultantocracy's methodology is to reduce the processes of democracy to data, numbers, and the marketing of political candidates as packaged products. The consultantocracy teaches Democratic candidates and party officers to follow carefully programmed scripts and formulae in lieu of speaking and acting from the heart. The latter teaching is essential for the consultantocracy to be able to control the candidates' behaviors in order to conform to the packaged image that the consultant is carefully marketing.

Through these processes, the consultantocracy comes to control the political process and the candidate becomes a prepackaged product without passion or authenticity. The citizenry, sensing that it is getting packaged products rather than authentic public servants, increasingly disengages from the political process.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:48 PM
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13. Those who can, do. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, consult.
Well ... in a long career, I taught, did, and consulted. :shrug:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:53 PM
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15. except in my "biz"- music
Those who can't teach, become critics.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:03 PM
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24. Well, Then Your Title Doesn't Make Sense
As i too, did, taught, and consulted. So, those that CAN, teach as well as those that can't. Those that can teach, consult, as well as those that can't teach.

Just thought i'd let you know that i'm keeping my eye on you! Happy New Year Nut!
The Professor
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 12:51 PM
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14. nah, it is the f***ing bean-counters that can't balance their own checkbooks
some consultants good, others pondscum (with apologies to the pondscum)

corporate bean-counters are true slime. Hubby watched them ruin several companies for which he worked...WorldCom, anyone? I could have done a better job, and my degree is in music.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:52 PM
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16. their a waste of money fo shure
Most of the consulting done for the places I've worked for have basically been highly paid to tell the management the same information any employee already on the payroll could have told them. Other consulting has simply created "productivity" paper work that essentially provides busy work to middle management. For the most part their job is to be that other organization that takes the blame. CEO's and other management just want someone to pass the buck if a decision goes bad. Enter the consultant. A third body that can be blamed if something goes bad.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 09:53 PM
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19. There are good consultants...
and there are bad consultants. There are consultants who truly want to help and make the world a better place....and there are consultants who put the almighty $ in front of everything.
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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 10:11 PM
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20. I'm a Lactation Consultant
I'm not destroying anything!!!
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:01 PM
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22. Thinking Itself Cannot Come From the People; Only Consultants Determine Debate
I don't know how narrowly or generally you meant this statement to be, but I agree with it, almost no matter what, (except for those cases where actual information is needed from consultants, to do a job correctly, or etc.; not for the usual "trick the people and cover up your real opinion until it is too late and they can't stop you then" type). The appearance of "consultants" anywhere and everywhere--whether they are fulfilling any actual purpose or not, is just a further encroachment of capitalism and the corporate way, to the detrement, even loss and death, of everything else. It is the killing of every other kind of approach taken, to anything.

This is why people feel that, no matter how much they read or listen, they still do not know the candidates' positions on issues important to them--they never get a "for" or "against" answer, but only some damned "win-win situation," "making it easier to empower the..." whatever, that is not telling them anything. Consultants tell these people not to commit to an answer, so they won't lose votes along the way. Further, they flip back and forth, with a totally blank face like they did nothing even noteworthy, let alone outrageous, giving different answers to what certainly seemed like the same question.

It cuts the people themselves out of the process, when everything is a "media production" and not the real unvarnished life of our Nation. It introduces ugly "corporate/media-savvy" concepts to campaigns, such as that some people are just not "acceptable" to be on camera or microphone (because they don't "sell" the "product")--not "pretty" enough, overweight, not the "demographic" "we" were going for, etc. Poison, under a system where everybody's vote counts for exactly as much as everybody else's vote, no matter how rich. Grinning, smiling all the time, because "focus groups" like it, this or that phrase used, because "focus groups" like it--what is the difference between this, and a facist or Communist government that will never give you a straight answer on anything, because the "peasants" are not really part of the system?

Consultants (certainly the ones I have been listening to on C-SPAN) are snide and "superior," and laugh at the strangest things, because everything is attempted propaganda and "opinion-management." I heard one laugh at the thought that Bill Clinton is still popular and influencial. No matter what you may think of Clinton's pro-corporate policies, the thought that someone would so completely poison the debate with this constantly recurring contempt, just for the effect, is maddening. You can never have an open discussion--or democracy itself--in this calculating, back-stabbing, angling-for-an-opportunity, atmosphere. Only when people speak freely, and do not weigh every word for "usefulness," will there be a return to just doing things for the general, common good.

Being concerned about "my makeup," "throwing in this phrase so I can sound like I pray for the troops every day," when they probably never do, etc., derails the whole process, from a large scale concern for our country and history, to a puny, petty fixation on the most bizarre little details of conduct. It does not even get at the real scandals that might be uncovered by these people's personal behavior, like Huckabee's labored efforts to get rapist-murderers freed early, or the prolonged torture of a dog by Huckabee's son, then gotten out of the consequences by Huckabee.

Can you imagine what might have become of us all, if Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt had had to worry about being "media savvy" and throwing around the right jargon for big corporate donors to be happy, instead of casting all aside, and un-selfconsciously going to work on solving--however it took--the desperate problems of the Nation? It would have killed everything, and replaced it all with only what the corporate world and its strange little concerns of "seeming, but not being" instruct the puppets to do.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:02 PM
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23. Damn right! Wait....
I'm a consultant!
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:08 PM
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25. Watch "Thank you for smoking" - Cool movie about these slime
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 12:12 PM
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26. We have become a "service society"
have lost all semblance of producing anything for ourselves, including "decisions"!!
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