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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:02 PM
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Biden: "He and Cheney literally went out there and divided the world. They literally divided it"

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/usa/news/article_1382496.php/Joe_Biden_on_personal_tragedy_and_experiences_I_can_handle_anything

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“I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on Dec. 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries.”

Biden spoke of his wife, Neilia, and 13-month-old daughter, Naomi, who died that day, his two sons fortunately made full recoveries. “They’re both, thank God, healthy and well,” said Mr. Biden.

"I know, I understand what it is like to be a single parent, to struggle. If it wasn't for my family, especially my sister who is my campaign manager too, I would have never made it."

Biden's popularity is undeniable; he is liked on both sides of the American political divide.

Biden is not keen on George W. Bush's post-9/11 leadership. "We had the world in the palm of our hand. The palm of our hand," he says, sounding genuinely plaintive. "Europe declared that the attack on us was an attack on all of us. There were forty thousand Iranians - Iranians! - who showed up at the boarded-up U.S. embassy with candles and flowers and notes. We had the world in the palm of our hands. And what did this guy do? He and Cheney literally went out there and divided the world. They literally divided it." And when the moment called for national sacrifice, Biden scoffs, "This guy told us to fly, and to go shopping!"

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:03 PM
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1. Truer words were never spoken :-)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:09 PM
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2. Both he and Edwards have experienced a lot of tragedy ...
in their families. I admire both of them for their strength and courage.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:10 PM
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3. This needs to be spread far and wide AGAIN!
Drag it out of the Memory Hole. Chain mail to any and all.

All the death and destruction wrought by the company of bu$h & cheney was totally unnecessary.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:11 PM
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4. Just think about it. The enormity. We need someone who can help us heal
at home, help those whom we've harmed heal, and heal our relationship with the rest of the world. I think Joe's the person to do it.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:13 PM
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9. He would be a wonderful president, but I fear that he is being
eclipsed in this election. He would make a wonderful secretary of state. He has a global view, and would be a great representative.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:42 PM
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14. I of course agree about Biden being a wonderful president, and am hopeful that
things begin to go his way -- hopeful for us all.

He has stated he won't be SOS in anybody's administration, so if he doesn't get the nomination, we can still take comfort in that fact that he'll be fighting for us in the Senate.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:06 AM
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20. As chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee,
he is already a great representative to the world. When Pakistan declared martial law, the person Musharraf and Bhutto called was Joe Biden, not Bush or Condi. World leaders already are familiar and comfortable with Biden, having dealt with him for many years. If he does not become president, he can accomplish more in the senate.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:08 PM
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40. I love Joe.
He would make a GREAT President.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:09 AM
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22. I know Joe Biden is the one to do it. I also believe he sent someone to help
US heal, and I'm so very glad he did. Blessings, gateley.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:11 PM
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5. We have lost alot. Biden said it well.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:18 PM
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11. We have lost our souls and our moral highground
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 09:21 PM by alyce douglas
due to these vile greedy men who want to re write our history, we were always respected and now look at us, this crime family must go. Joe Biden, and how many more of those Senators will come out and say the same thing, probably many thinking it, but afraid to say anything, what cowards.

I think Psychological and drug testing should be mandatory if you want to hold office.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:22 PM
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12. I attended a party today, alyce. And this was the common theme of nearly
every conversation I had about this administration- they have destroyed our standing in the world.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:23 AM
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25. no European country would like these thugs stay in office for so long.
they would be long gone.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:11 PM
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6. Way to tell it like it is, Joe.
k&r
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:12 PM
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7. kickin'
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:13 PM
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8. The truth behind those words, and the pain inflicted on this world because of BushCo,
are almost too enormous to bear. :cry: :cry:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:31 AM
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23. Yes, I hear you, BD.
:hug::cry::hug:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:16 PM
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10. K&R. (nt)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:24 PM
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13. kick
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:03 PM
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15. I'm liking Biden more and more - n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:11 PM
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16. Without question. In this country, the fracture is only going to get worse.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 11:11 PM by The Backlash Cometh
Some of us are going to start showing symptoms of post-traumatic bullied syndrome.
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:53 PM
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17. K&R nt
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Peace Candidate Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:01 AM
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18. Divide and Conquer
This is all by design and many in Congress are playing along.

http://peacecandidates.com/
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:06 AM
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19. then why was he keen on supporting W's war on Iraq?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:02 AM
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24. Because he beleived what he was being told by the President. So did the majority of the country.
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 08:03 AM by ThomWV
I find it hard to do but I can not fault people who believed Bush before the invasion of Iraq. To be sure there were many of us who did not believe him, but that was not because we had evidence he was incorrect, it was because we had evidence of his earlier lies and did not trust what he said. There was lack of evidence that Bush was right but there was nothing saying he was certainly wrong. I can understand a Senator opting on the side of caution, so long as they repented quickly as the situation changed.

Biden is where he should be now and he is smart enough to know we just can't just stick the boys on a plane and come home tomorrow. He argues for an orderly withdrawal, and that takes a little time. I'm OK with his position now and I'm very much OK with his vision for the future.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:17 AM
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26. I admit I believed the Powell presentation and other "proof" of WMDs
I wasn't for the war, but I wasn't as against it as I am now. I won't make the same mistake again.

Biden would be a great president.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:53 AM
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28. I believed Powell because I couldn't believe they'd lie about something
like that. It was impossible that they would could lie about something like that.

It was the textbook case of the big lie, as we all later found out.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:52 AM
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27. Voting for
Armored vehicles is supporting the troops. not the War. only the president can withdrawal our troops from Iraq. if Congress cuts off funding. You bet your ass, bushy-boy will take grandmas SS check and spend it on Halliburton. all the while the troops stay put.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:28 AM
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21. His last paragraph
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 12:28 AM by Mythsaje
is exactly what frustrates me the most about what's happened since. Bushco are either too stupid to breathe, or so evil they may as well be Sauron's finger-puppets.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:54 AM
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29. So proud to be a Bidenite
GO JOE!!

Hey sabra, love your Bush mug shot. One can only hope! Come on NANCY!!! :grr:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 10:57 AM
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30. 'you're either with us or against us' criminals in suits
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:41 PM
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31. And America has been brainwashed to think the exact opposite
that we were about to be destroyed by the militant vanguard of the world's billion Moslems.

Even media outlets like NPR have not said enough to make up for their complicity in the propaganda campaign.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:42 PM
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32. Biden is right so often.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:59 PM
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33. and they were literally and figuratively supported
by people like biden - look at his voting record and earlier words. much was in support of bush
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:46 PM
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34. im an edwards supporter currently....
but everytime i hear joe biden speak, i like him a little bit more
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:21 PM
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35. Same here!
I think Joe Biden is sounding more and more vice-presidential!

An Edwards / Biden ticket would clean house - more ways than one!
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:43 PM
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38. I was the same way. Biden is probably my 1st choice now
but Edwards would be fine too.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:29 PM
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36. I really like Joe Biden.
He would do a kick-ass job as our President.
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eringer Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 05:38 PM
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37. This guy tells it like it is
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:04 PM
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39. This demonstrates so simply
why the glamor candidates, busily throwing sand in each other's faces, are NOT what this nation, and the world, needs. What we desperately need overseeing the cleanup of this 8-year debacle is adult supervision. Joe Biden decided after his run for POTUS 20 years ago that he would not do it again. He is not running out of personal ambition; he says he looked at the mess, and how much he can/cannot accomplish from his strong position in the Senate, and said "I have to do it." He is running because he cares about the country, the world, the human population. With whatever flaws you want to gig him over, he is, ultimately a decent, caring human being with a ton of talent and experience, who wants passionately to "make it right." He is willing to admit mistakes, willing to seek advice from experts. He has said repeatedly, to any who voice criticism of his Iraq strategy, "fine, if I'm wrong, if there is a better solution, let's hear it." And that is not said combatively - he readily admits he does not know that he has it exactly right. He hopes so, and wants to give it a chance. But if anyone, anywhere, can tell him a better solution he'll drop his in a New York minute.

We need him in the Oval Office. Oh, how we need him.

I like Edwards a lot, and would hope Biden would put him in the #2 or AG slot, his choice. I would gladly take Edwards in the Oval Office, but I desperately want Joe there.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:14 PM
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41. We Should Be Ten Times More Aggressive in Preventing Wars
and those who start them should be locked up for life. These are mass murders.
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:18 PM
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42. Joe Biden is the only one saying what I want to hear on foreign affairs.
He has so much experience. He would be so good on a global scale. But, we have to fight over Hillary, who no matter how much you like her, IS a polarizing person, a totally untested Obama, and I'm not sure what is going to happen with Edwards. All of these people have their good points and I'm proud of our field of candidates, but Joe Biden appears to have it all as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, the money/power people have forced a two, possibly three way race on us, and there isn't much we can do about it. I keep remembering how far back Kerry was at this time last year, but we don't have a "Dean" in the lead this time. We have a power house of organization in Hillary, a giant hope ( real or imagined) for true change in Obama, and the fact that Edwards has been running in Iowa since 2004. If Joe Biden could make a good showing in Iowa and if he somehow got noticed in New Hampshire, well, all those states on February 5th appear to be bought and paid for, so I don't know about his chances there. Bought and paid for... I mean by money and momentum and media attention.

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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:24 PM
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43. Joe Biden is head and shoulders the best candidate. It boggles the mind that he's not the front-runn
er
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:52 PM
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44. Bless his sister for helping out since this tragedy.
Biden is one of the politicians I do admire.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:59 PM
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45. "And here comes Biden with a right jab- WHAM and now the left hook- POW!"
this guy's the shit!
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:13 PM
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46. I wish I could still recommend this. Thanks for a great post.
Biden makes me proud to be an American. I am an Obama supporter, but if he is viable when the California Primary comes around, I will definitely consider him. The reality of the situation is, I don't think he will be viable at that point, but I hope he is. We deserve good choices.

Obama and Biden both bring a lot to the table, from different perspectives.
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