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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:39 AM
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WOW she had to testify about her rape? Oh my god
Looking through Yahooo news photos I saw a picture of this woman and didn't know who she was or why she was in the news.

I must have missed this yesterday. How heartbreaking this must have been. That takes a lot of strength to be able to do that. Wow. Good for her and thanks.


Former KBR employee Jamie Leigh Jones testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2007, before the House Crime, Homeland Security and Terrorism subcommittee hearing on the 'Enforcement of Federal Criminal Law to Protect Americans Working for U.S. Contractors in Iraq.'

Even Before the Rape in Iraq: KBR Abuse of Jamie Leigh Jones Began Stateside
Jones was Sexually Abused by Halliburton Supervisor in Houston
http://womensissues.about.com/b/2007/12/19/even-before-the-rape-in-iraq-kbr-abuse-of-jamie-leigh-jones-began-stateside.htm

'Gang-raped by contractors'
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22955649-2703,00.html

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:45 AM
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1. and this effing regime won't do anything to serve justice
to those who did rape this girl, lawlessness at its highest heights, this filthy administration does not give a shit about this woman.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:47 AM
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2. this administration doesn't give a shit about ANY women..
....except as breed sows.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:51 AM
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5. I recall a discussion w/a woman who literally became unhinged when I...
Told her the Condi Rice was largely used as a token player for 'show' - the regime's propaganda for demonstrating its supposed anti-Good Ol Boys "big tent."
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:01 AM
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8. they're damn pretentious about it - but behind the pretense?
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 09:01 AM by Triana
LOTS of misogynism and racism - no less than there ever was. As we can SEE. When the talk don't match the walk - to the degree that it doesn't with the bu$hit regime - we know it's just another ruse. This admin is built on lies and pretense.

The woman you spoke to didn't want to know that - just wanted to believe the McPropaganda. Sad. Not very intelligent. Just sad. Too bad the rest of us get to pay for the voluntary ignorance of folks like her.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:06 AM
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12. It's the fairy tales of the prevailing system:
From a psychological standing, people need to believe all the poison jive they were programmed with while growing up. The woman in question preferred to believe that people are "successful" by playing the 'game' by the rules, working hard, climbing the ladder, and so forth.

In her mind, that alone equals good, hence not allowing for the various shades of grey due to the human condition, and the social systems we create and abide ... often unquestioningly.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:20 AM
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13. Literally? Neat!
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:22 AM
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15. lol ...yes. The very idea was absolutely anathema to her n/t
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:31 AM
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17. "Jokes" aside...
i know what you mean...they go into a dissociative insane mode...your description is apt, I'm sure!
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:49 AM
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20. They don't care about ANYONE.
Unless you have money and are on their side.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:49 AM
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3. And no rep. from the DOJ could bother going to the hearing. Conyers
was livid.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:50 AM
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4. cheney's men at halliburton are as filthy as he is.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:56 AM
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7. Okay you HAVE to be kidding
please tell me you are kidding. Please.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:05 AM
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11. ttt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:56 AM
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22.  Nope - DOJ Shuns Hearing on Halliburton/KBR Rape Cases

DOJ Shuns Hearing on Halliburton/KBR Rape Cases

By MADDY SAUER
Dec. 19, 2007


The Department of Justice refused to send a representative to answer questions from Congress today on the investigations into allegations of rape and sexual assault on female American contractors.

"I'm embarrassed that the Department of Justice can't even come forward," said the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers, D-Mich.

"This is an absolute disgrace," said Conyers. "The least we could do is have people from the Department of Justice and the Defense over here talking about how we're going to straighten out the system right away."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4027734&page=1
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:57 PM
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32. They learned from many examples that nothing will happen.
Many people with this administration have ignored subpoenas or just taken there own sweet time in showing up or ignoring letters. One or more of them needs to be thrown the fuck in jail. Send a message. No one is above the law, no matter how expensive the suit, or how high the rank.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:54 AM
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6. For Republicans, Rape is only an issue when it involves Bill Clinton or
alleged rooms in Saddam's palaces ...
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:47 PM
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30. Exactly.
They trot out Pickles to talk about how the Taliban has been overthrown and how much better it is for women now. Of course, now that it's returned stronger than ever, she's hiding in an undisclosed location. The only time they care, is when they want something that culture at large has.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:03 AM
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9. What I love most about the Republican party is how tough on crime they are.
:sarcasm:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:04 AM
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10. Rape is torture
It's also a form of terrorism.

KBR = Terrorist Torturers
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:20 AM
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14. The whole situation is absolutely disgusting...
She was given a date rape drug, so I don't think she remembers the attack.. but has the scars to prove it.. she was on MSNBC the other night.. and said her chest had to undergo reconstructive surgery from muscle tissue damage.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:28 AM
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16. She was on Dan Abrams the other night
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:32 AM
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18. Watch the interview! It will blow ya away.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 10:05 AM by 0007
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:51 AM
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21. I am book marking this for later
thanks I will watch it
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 11:56 AM
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23. The hearings by congress are under way right now!
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 12:03 PM by 0007
Cspan2.

The opening statements are being taken at this moment. Sheila Lee Jackson is giving her take and praising Ms Jones for coming forward about the misconduct of the Halliburton employees.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:47 AM
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19. Jamie is one brave woman
I was reading about her last night and she was quoted to say she wants other women who are raped in Iraq to know it's not their fault, and they need someone to stand up for them and she wants to be the one.

I missed her testimony but saw a piece of it last night on KO's show and she said Texas congressman Poe probably saved her life. In other words, she thought her co-workers were going to kill her and I don't doubt that for a second.

No one from Justice OR State showed up at the hearing yesterday.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:01 PM
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24. Have seen her interviewed on TV.
An amazingly strong woman with great resolve. So sad what she has had to endure.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 12:44 PM
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25. HUH? The only crime in which the victim does not testify is Murder.
What in the hell is the court supposed to do? Read her mind. I also don't see why the victims name is kept confidential. If you can't publicly accuse someone of the crime. Then it must not have been much of a crime. Public accusation is one of the principles our legal system is founded upon. I like the Middle East system better. It is illegal to publish the name of the accused until after they have been convicted. This actually protects people who are innocent until proven guilty from social harm in false accusations. Like the Duke LX Players. Rape is a crime against consent. If a woman can say no in private. Then whats the problem with her publicly stating she said no? What is wrong with having the public knowing taht when this woman says, no. She means no. If you don't believe it. Just watch this guy go to jail. The womans identity should be made know. It's the identity of the accused that should be protected until they are convicted.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:24 PM
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26. Are you serious?
On the one hand I agree, wish that rape did not carry such a stigma against the person raped. On the other hand, it does and publishing a victim's name and not the perp puts a lot of stuff on the victim. I wish a lot of ideas about rape were different, such as "it was the victim's fault because she/he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, wore the wrong clothing, didn't fight back strongly enough" etc etc etc.

Publish the victim's name and not the accused?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:05 AM
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27. Yes, I'm entirely serious. We can do more than wish. We can destroy the stigma.
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 11:07 AM by Wizard777
What not publishing the name of the victim does is reenforce the stigma. It says we can't tell you who she is because in our society she would be damaged goods. No man would ever want to date her or marry her. What does that say about America when it's safe for homosexuals to come out of the closet while we put rape victims in the closet? We need to get everyone out of the closet and nail the damned door shut. There are other embarassing crimes in which we do not afford the victims anonymity. Security Companies that get robbed. How embarassing and damaging to thier business reputation. They can't be too safe if they are getting robbed. Cops that are crime victims. But they are supposed to be the protectorate. NOT VICTIMS! If we can create a society in which it is safe for homosexual to come out of the closet. Then we can create a society in which it is safe for rape victims to come out of the closet.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:56 PM
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28. It would be nice if that were to happen. Very nice.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:00 PM
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29. Yes, of course she had to! As did women at the Air Force Academy, CU Boulder... and ALL WOMEN
who have been raped, beaten, etc.

This is how life has always been for women in the US, that is, when it was even OK to press charges!

Yes, it takes strength to be female.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:53 PM
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31. This story also goes to the heart of lack of oversight.
The military isn't in charge, the contractors can do whatever they want, so how's anyone going to be held accountable for this or anything else? I shudder to think what Freepers must be saying about her. A young pretty woman going against a (quasi) military organization? Some version of 'the military is always right!'
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