America is Dying.

[tekisui]

How much more can Our wounded Country take? The entire Executive Branch operates as an Organized Crime Family: Illegal Spying, Illegal Detentions, Illegal Occupations, Illegal Torture, Illegal Renditions, Illegal War Profiteering, Obstruction of Justice, Destruction of Evidence, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

The War Crimes Administration Issues Signing Statements to Operate Outside the Law, Violates Our Constitution, Commits Crimes against Humanity and Breaks International Treaties.

Their abuses of power know no end. Yet, those in a position to save what is left of Our dying Country, only offer excuses. This is not the time to be nice, cordial or timid. Too much is a stake, too much has been destroyed and too much awaits on the chopping block. We cannot afford to wait and see what the next Crimes against Our Country will be. She may already be dead.

[zorahopkins]

1. Apathy

Apathy will always lead to a pathetic country.

Too many Americans are content to sit back and watch their country die, while they watch Jerry Springer and Judge Judy.

It will soon be too late.

[bdamomma]

6. I guess this country or our rights is not on the PRIORITY LIST.

and the world is just watching us all and sighing...............how ignorant can people be. Sickening what is happening in the country. When will we the people rise to the occasion????

[AndyTiedye]

18. You Have Mistaken Despair for Apathy

A lot of people have simply turned the political trainwreck off, because they feel totally powerless.

[MrMickeysMom]

25. Ooooh-

I don't care about APATHY... Is Springer still on?

[YOY]

2. But hey we've got a "Whitehouse Wedding" coming up! Isn't that ROMANTIC!

Forget about all that other unimportant stuff!

:puke: :sarcasm:

This puking sarcasm was dedicated to the "Today Show" for showing what real journalism is all about: Distractory fluff.

[cascadiance]

50. We need a spoof of Billy Idol's song for that!

[Deep13]

3. C'mon now. This is simply how we transition from a democracy to an imperial autocracy.

That's all.

Huh. Something seems fishy about that.

[robcon]

4. America is thriving

As soon as a Democratic president is elected, and the Democratic Congress and the Democratic appointments to the Supreme Court are in, we'll be back to being the best, most enlightened and greatest country on earth.

[Dhalgren]

11. You forgot your sarcasm smilie...

:rofl:

[robcon]

33. didn't forget anything

n/t

[dysfunctional press]

45. except for history and reality.

nt

[TheWatcher]

52. Then you've Missed A LOT.

Delusion and the desperate clinging to of it does not create the reality that you wish was real.

[Racecar60]

20. Im not sure that would be the best

With the dems being in charge of everything, the systems of checks and balances would be very skewed. Not a good thing espically with someone like hillary in office.

[Vickers]

34. Yes, Gawd forbid the current checks and balances get upset.

:rofl:

Welcome to DU! Enjoy your stay!

[Racecar60]

35. Thanks

I like it here. A very wide point of view.

That being said, I still dont think that democratic control of EVERYTHING is good.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

I also think that republican control of everything is bad

[pinto]

36. The system of checks and balances aren't dependent on party, they're institutional.

A Democratic Congress and Democratic White House can, and have in the past, respected the constitutional framework of institutional checks and balances.

[natrat]

5. and those anointed scumbags obama and clinton barely mention it

[Marrah_G]

7. This country has gone through worse times- don't count us out just yet.

[tekisui]

8. I look forward to repairing the damage done.

But, I shudder at all that damage done.

[Marrah_G]

12. Same- Hopefully things end up even better.

[coalition_unwilling]

32. As I think about this, I tend to agree. There have been

worse times in our country's history: the Civil War era and the Great Depression come to mind. Possibly the War of 1812 also.

Back during those three eras, however, the President proved equal to the task at hand: preserving the Union (Civil War), preserving liberal democracy and capitalism (Great Depression) and repelling a foreign invader (War of 1812).

Although I like all but one of the current Democratic candidates (Hillary being the sole exception), I do not detect in any the potential to be an Abe Lincoln, FDR or James Madison. What worries me is that, while the current crisis may not be as bad as the 3 afore-mentioned eras, the current crisis is serious enough to require an extraordinary President. Without it (or extraordinary Congressional leadership emerging), the years 2009-2017 may be simply a temporary interlude in the long slow decline into political fascism and ecological disaster.

However, I don't "count us out just yet." If I did, I would not vigil against * twice a week. While I do it as much for my self respect as any other reason, I also think publicily demonstrating "waters the grassroots" (as one of my compatriots puts it).

[Uben]

9. America is not dying

Not even remotely close! It is the sole super-power in the world!

The Bush cabal has tarnished it's image, but they are nearing the end of their reign.

We need a new administration that will show the world we are capable of leading the way to making the world a better place to live.
That we can, and will, take action against those who want to impede that effort.

America is very much alive, and we are on the crest of bringing back that "once great" image we enjoyed before the SCOTUS decided to interfere in honest and just elections and install the current idiot and his minions to represent us.

HAve you given up already? Why? It looks as if we are going to own the Wh and congress in another year. We can do a lot of great things, and undo a lot of the injustices brought about by Bushco.

Don't exude so much gloom and doom. Bush is not, and never will be, able to destroy America.

[tekisui]

13. Thank you for you optimism and Patriotism.

I usually do not feel so hopeless. I am hopeful and believe that things can be repaired. I feel we are watching much that has defined America be assaulted. We shouldn't have to wait it out. A lot of damage can still be done.

I will remain hopeful. You know some days you look at what's happening and say, enough already. Enough. Today is one of those days.

[Dhalgren]

14. !

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MrMickeysMom]

27. You forgot...

to tell the OP, Uben, this is "opposite day", right?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. In celebration,

chocolate rations have gloriously been increased from 4 OZ. to 2 OZ. effective immediately.

[ooglymoogly]

53. After slaughtering 1 million and counting innocent men women and children

and squandered this countries vast resources to pay for invading a sovereign country, it is going to bea hard row to hoe. but thanks for buck up Pollyanna.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Unfortunately, like most empires, it's not going peacefully.

[xchrom]

15. reagan marks A turning poit -- we've been in

transition since his time.

how it all turns out? -- i don't know -- right now things aren't looking good.

i've said this before -- bush is the symptom -- and illustration -- of our problems -- but not the problem.

[Mountainman]

16. The people are the problem. The people can change things if they were so inclined to do so.

The problem as I see it, is that the people are too concerned with reality TV and the latest techno- gadget to pay attention to what's going on in the country.

A good example is my wife and her mother. We are not wealthy but we have a higher than average income so we don't "struggle" to get by. My wire and her mom watch endless TV shows with the reality theme and the shows like biggest loser and runway and great race. They read all the "People" clone magazines and cry their hearts out at Jen's latest relationship problems. But they know nothing about what's going on with the erosion of our Constitutional rights. They don't want to know.

Last night I had on the C-Span review of yesterday's debate and tried to engage my wife in the political discussions but she frowned at me and went in to watch her shows on the other TV.

[xchrom]

21. i'm not saying ''the people'' aren't the problem. -- but you're talkingabout

an historical problem there -- the disconnect americans feel with anything that goes on outside of their lives.
people couldn't relate to africans as people -- didn't want to see themselves as conquerers of first nations people -- ignore the problems of the poor -- turn away from the problems of jews pre WWII - it goes on and on.

any way -- what i think you're pointing out is an acceleration of individualism, disconnectedness, and apathy that has been brought to us electronically.

''we'' have to be motivated enough to bring the rest with us.

i don't know if we have that kind of game -- we'll see.

[BonnieJW]

22. My husband was like that too,

until I had it out with him after the 2004 election. He would roll his eyes at me and I finally told him (I believe I was yelling) he was an idiot and if he stayed so uninformed, I would have to leave. When I calmed down, I told him I just wanted him to know what I know and then he can draw his own conclusions. I began printing out articles and bringing them home to inform him. I know it was force feeding, but it was better than his ignorance. It's three years later and he understands everything that is happening.

[Bongo Prophet]

56. Good job, BonnieJW! Truth is a powerful medicine, and he is a better person for it.

And we are a better country and world for that!

:patriot:

[mwb970]

58. That's a sad story.

Imagine having to force someone to listen to the truth! He sounds like someone who had been brainwashed by one of those loony cults and required three years of de-programming.

I assume this guy has compensating factors that make him a net plus for you despite this.

[Union Thug]

28. Agree on all points... RayGun was a turning point..and

yes, BushCo is a symptom. I prefer to say that BushCo is one of any number of expressions of the problem. The problem is that democratic institutions have been either destroyed or poisoned by the coup of the elite that occurred almost 30 years ago: the rebirth of aristocratic rule.

[Union Thug]

29. dupe, self delete

[Union Thug]

17. There are still signs of life? You're an optimist! n/t

[invisible man]

19. Again?

..damn it!

[Marr]

23. Ever see that episode of Crossfire with Frank Zappa? He said something to the effect of,

'someday the illusion of democracy is going to become too expensive or inconvenient, and they'll just peel it off'.

That's exactly what's happening. Maintaining the illusion of representative government has been deemed too expensive and unnecessary, mainly because the government no longer fears the people.

[Golden Raisin]

24. Sorry. Gotta' run. "Dancing With the Stars" is on.

:sarcasm:

DU should have a smilie for "Tragedy Happening Before Our Eyes"

[leftofthedial]

26. I'd send an email to congress or someone, but

I don't really understand all he problems. They're just so complicated. Both parties are corrupt. I'm late for the gym. Later on is the holiday party and the year's finale of Law & Order: CI!

What were you saying?

[MrMickeysMom]

30. Sorry, tekisui...

I was trying to be cute ... I should say what I really feel, for what that's worth.

America is going through a sort of death, IMO. But, I feel it is not a complete death, just shedding of some really uncomfortable skin. I feel it, you feel it. And, if we continue to fight back and forth in these threads over petty things like who's ahead in the primaries, or who farted, we'll loose site of driving a solution home when we stop feeling anything anymore. I believe it's coming to a head here and elsewhere, and pretty soon it won't just be a few, but most people their congressional districts or city halls joining together to pressure the reversal of this process. It's taken this long to sense the depth of how bad things literally in the 11th hour.

During the 11th hour, our ability to reduce CO2 green house gases, and tell our Democratic majority leaders they must not be afraid to let the republicans filibuster, and stay in session for whatever it takes to conclude the people's work. I made my call to Senator Specter for this week, and I've faxed the other republican in my district a copy of Gore's speech at Oslo, and I've started attending city council meetings, and I've called the Post Gazette so they can report what when on in City Hall, I've stuffed envelopes for a Democratic alternative to run this next year perhaps against my current CM, thus my contribution. This will HAVE to reach critical mass next year, and next year is right around the corner.

I've got to get up and do it and do it again and if I have to get down while thinking about it, well, I'll come here and get sympathy from you, probably.

The process of doing it is what gives me "adjada" many days... to think the ice could be gone in the Arctic Circle in SIX YEARS.... to think we are already setting up a well run corporate fascist dictatorship.

Everything.... everything must come together in the course of a year from now.

[Old_Growth]

31. America is Failing......

Is how I'd put it. Countries, like corporations aren't living things so they can't really die.

[baldguy]

37. Saying "America is Dying" implies there's something passive about it

And that there's nothing to be done to avert this tragedy.

"Gee, that Iraqi POW just happened to get up on a chair, get electrodes attached to his balls and get covered with a garbage bag."

"AT&T just happened to hand over every American's telephone records to the government."

"George had a pen in his hand and he slipped and it just happened to make the Bill Of Rights null and void. It was an accident!"

=================================

There's NOTHING passive about what's happening - AMERICA IS BEING MURDERED!

[tekisui]

41. You are right, it is by design, thus murder.

[JFN1]

38. America is already dead - poisened to death by MONEY AND GREED

Just because the body isn't cold doesn't mean there's any life left in it...

[Dangerman]

54. I agree.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

39. You are correct.

:grr:

[and-justice-for-all]

42. Well of course it is dying...

History tells us what happens to those Empires that over reach for power and dominance. Before things can get better, America will have to come complete off its axel.

[lonestarnot]

43. Run Barney RUN!

[riverdeep]

44. What has happened isn't the result of seven especially bad years.

This is the result that's been 40 years or so in the making. What we are seeing is simply the culmination, the time when the gamemakers cash in on their hard work. And it has been hard work, I'll give them that. They work like ants. Night and day, against any odds. Relentlessly forming the world so it's ripe for the taking.

They thought many moves ahead, like chess. From the media, to the legal system, to courts, to grassroots politics, to youth programs, to tax free pulpits (churches)-they've put their brand on everything. We've run out of pawns to sacrifice and our queen is trapped-next step is checkmate. Next year will determine whether this country goes down a path it CANNOT return from-if a Republican is elected, with a majority Congress, the king is dead, game over.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

46. I thought we learned from our own history. Yet, this round of authoritarianism is,...

,...so much worse,...more secretive and manipulative and financially devastating.

I feel,...embarassed. I am angry and disgusted that, those who are supposedly the most knowledgeable and educated and experienced have allowed the WORST violations of our democratic institution to happen, to continue to happen.

Our country isn't going to die. However,...

,...well,...it's disgusting to watch the abuses, without consequences.

[cherokeeprogressive]

47. Uh, No. She Isn't. n/t

[greyghost]

48. Wait until the economy collapses completely...

then the shit REALLY hits the fan. Not enough gas to operate the old SUV, not enough natural gas or oil to heat the home, and not enough of a credit line to buy essentials.

When that day comes, and it will be arriving within a couple of years, apathy will go out the window. Then things will get VERY interesting indeed.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

49. The sooner the better

"It's time for us all to stop living the lie that is America"

- Winona LaDuke

[IsItJustMe]

51. At one time I do believe we had people of character and dignity in our leadership. Little of that

is to be seen anymore. I think the money and greed got the best of them.

[rosetta6]

55. America died on November 22, 1963

When people allowed the coup that took President Kennedy's life.

Now the nation is RIP/Resting In Pieces.

[Perry Logan]

57. And yet we can say whatever we please on forums like this.

[flying_wahini]

60. we can say what we want for Now..... enjoy it... it won't last.

with the WSJ and Rupert Murdoch sealing up the air holes;
it won't be long before they come for the internet(s)
and shut this all down.....
DU and sites like them will be a hugh threat.

Not saying they will be successful, but they will try.

[flashl]

59. The American idea of a representative government died years ago.

It is obvious and anyone should know with certainty that U.S. citizens have been relegated to mere spectators when watching government privitalization, repeated Congressional disappointments in the passing of bills and policies lacking citizens support, and widespread corruption in every sector i.e. election, financial. and criminal justice.

[ileus]

61. Rant over??? Now get out there and go Shopping...Eat Drink and be Merry.