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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:07 PM
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What IF a republican wins in 2008? What actions will you take?
Leave the country?
Anarchy?
Drop out?
Start a revolution?
Accept it but bitch about it for another 4 years?

I pose this question because I think about it alot, especially while watching Tweety whoring himself for Hillary and Ghouliani at the same time, but mostly for the republican side. And we still have not dealt with election fraud, which no one mentions anymore.

Personally, I'm leaning toward complete revolution...but that's only me.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:09 PM
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1. the scariest thing is the Supreme Court might be lost for decades
I might start hoarding Euros and sharp sticks while I plan an escape in a few years.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:24 PM
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14. Sadly, it already is unless the Dem president is willing to risk stacking the court.
Stacking the court is something I'd like to see the Dem candidates address, but it's too politically risky.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:39 PM
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20. Depends on what you mean by stacking. I doubt a Dem would try to
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:40 PM by T Wolf
add justices like FDR did.

But I also know that they would never nominate a real progressive/liberal if they get the chance. Any Dem nominee would be a DLC-acceptable centrist who would not be much better than anyone currently there.

There are NO left-wing justices to balance out the right-wing wackjobs like Scalia, Thomas, and the rest.

Our only hope is to slow the race to the con side a little. But a tru progressive - never gonna happen.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:14 PM
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2. Try to find a nice house in the UK
somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Go be an expat and write for a living.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:37 PM
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19. by that time, it'll be 3 dollars per pound
and you'll find yourself losing a lot of money if you move...
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:06 PM
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39. But the UK has more snoopcams than the US does!!
Tony Blair established all that snooping.

Anyplace else, not the UK.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:14 PM
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3. I'm already out. 2006 was the last hurrah for me.
I'm done with wasting time and money and anxiety on a bad investment. I'm tired of pointing out the obvious to people who refuse to see it. And even if we win, we lose. So I'm done. In March when I vote it will be either ___ or Kucinich. In the fall, it will be a socially liberal imperialist vs. a socially conservative imperialist. Our "choice" is entirely illusory.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:15 PM
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4. Take a hard look at my finances, adjust investments as appropriate
Maybe increase my stores of emergency rations.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:15 PM
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5. Hunker down for harder times
that will surely be coming.
We live on a small farm and
raise the majority of what
we eat, meat included. We
will carry on. Leaving the
country is not an option, I
doubt I could get into Canada
much less anywhere else due
to my record. We already have
supplies backed up in the event
of 'things getting hinky'.

If the people revolt, I will
be on the front lines. I am
prepared for that also, well
prepared....to the gills prepared.
I don't mean fire sticks and
farm implements either.

Maybe I am a little paranoid about
it, maybe not. I do not put ANYTHING
past the government. I believe that
there is a real threat of another stolen
election.

Geez I need to be wearing this :tinfoilhat:
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Libface Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:15 PM
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6. I'm pretty much planning
to leave the country either way. I don't see big changes with the frontrunning dems and this country needs big changes.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:19 PM
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9. Where would you go and how would you get there?
I'm interested in hearing about countries that allow anyone to just move into. Thanks.
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Libface Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:23 PM
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12. I'm looking into Canada
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:30 PM by Libface
as a first option. We're looking at jobs and real estate in the New Brunswick area to be close to Toronto but still have cheap real estate. We qualify at about 74 points on their immigration test. Anything else I need to say to prove I'm not taking it lightly?

Edited to add: We would most likely drive or fly. If neither is a possibility at the time then I don't think the biggest problem is which party the president is registered under.

Edited again: Sweden is my "Oh god they're really taking liberals to camps" option because they take in political refugees.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:21 PM
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35. Where can you go to look to see if you'd qualify?
Is there someplace online?
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Libface Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:30 PM
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36. Yup
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 02:38 PM by Libface
I can't find the one I used before (though I'll keep looking because it was from the official immigration site) but here's this:

http://www.workpermit.com/canada/individual/skilled.htm


And here's the one from the CIC site:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assess/i...
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:55 PM
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23. Polska!
Gospodarka jest fajna tu! :beer: :toast:
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:00 PM
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26. Sweet! Notice my username!!
Na zdrowie :toast:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:11 PM
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31. If the dollar keeps dropping
All the Polaks in America are going to want to return to get a better paying job. At the kantor yesterday, 2,38 PLN to the dollar. :puke:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:12 PM
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32. Sto Lat!
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:15 PM
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7. Climb a clock tower...
:evilgrin:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:23 PM
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13. Perhaps in Texas, Crawford Texas that is....n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:18 PM
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8. Drop out of politics, same as I did after Chimpy took office. That's self-preservation--
my blood pressure and stomach lining couldn't take any careful attention to that undeserving assclown occupying the Oval Office. I kept up with current events and glanced at politics every now and then, but I have never sat through a Chimpy speech or press conference--not once. This coming election is what brought me back to paying close attention to politics, because I have hope that I'll get a good--or even great--Dem President this time around.
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:20 PM
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10. Buying a high powered rifle with a scope.








To hunt with!

Honest!
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:21 PM
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11. i'll probably have a nervous breakdown.
i wonder if my health insurance will pay for my stay in the nut house.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:28 PM
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15. just let out a big sigh
and prepare for tougher times, at least another 4 years worth. If this country hasn't had enough of their shit by now, maybe another 4 years of rethug malfeasence will do the trick.

Herbert Hoover let us slide headlong into the Great Depression and the rethugs were out of power for decades after that. Maybe we need another ass-whooping like that to wake us up to what their regressive policies really do.

I hate to think it, but the '08 election is really the answer to the question "had enough?" If a rethug wins, the simple answer is "no" :(
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pdrichards114 Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:29 PM
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16. I've already got my guns, would love the idea of revolution but...
I will pussy out and probably leave the country. Been planning to leave for awhile, luckily I just landed a job to begin that transition.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:40 PM
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21. where ya goin? I would like Holland but I'd need a job first
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pdrichards114 Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 01:09 PM
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49. I got a job with that has 48 plants world wide,
only 4 in Amerika. The headquarters is in Norway. I'm going to work out an expat deal with my boss.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:29 PM
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17. I'm down with revolution.
:hi:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:31 PM
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18. It depends..
If the Dems get a veto proof majority in the House and the Senate, it won't be a COMPLETE disaster, but it will be bad enough.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:54 PM
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22. We're moving to Nice in Sept '08.
But we're doing that no matter what. :) I won't be sorry to be gone, that's for damned sure!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:56 PM
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24. Raid the voting places and confiscate the machines.
til we had a chance to check their validity.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:57 PM
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25. CRY for our Country
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:05 PM
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27. Options A or D...
I'm really not sure which. One thing is certain, though: It will not be business as usual. I will absolutely not grant an iota of slack for any political position whatsoever that isn't based on applying socialist principles to promote the general welfare and lose the rugged individualist hero worship nonsense.

Perhaps more than any single element of the American creation myth, I think that rugged individualism has actively worked to destroy societal cohesion and turned us into 300 million semi-autonomous city states, all at continuous war with all others over dwindling supplies of goods, services, jobs, housing and, finally, a stripped down quasi-life devoted to satisfying only the most basic needs that ooze to the very bottom of Maslow's hierarchy.

So Costa Rica beckons, with its multiple decades of uninterrupted democracy, no standing army, environmental consciousness, open-minded citizens and beautiful landscape. Unfortunately, the recent adoption of CAFTA -- under very US-like election fraud conditions that looked a lot like electronic vote switching -- will erode their standard of living. And if the US has its way, Costa Rica will become another WTO model free-trade state where the rich are rewarded for being rich and the rest either work for the rich at below-poverty wages or try to scratch out a living off the land. And that land will be owned exclusively by the rich once the jackboot of the IMF/World Bank establishes itself firmly on the back of the Costa Rican neck.

And so does the idea of saying OK, fuck it, this will never change unless I make it my personal business to do anything and everything I can to effect that change and try to guide that change in a direction I support. Selfish, sure, but if I'm going to risk all, I damn well want that risk to carry the potential for high reward.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to observe with disgust the actions of the alleged opposition party and its truly awful leadership. I'll continue to avoid all contact with official institutions to the extent that I can. I'll continue to consume as little as possible and, when buying stuff, make sure that the majority of my money goes to local businesses.

And I'll continue to watch with increasing dread as the next election approaches and I'm faced with a choice between -- as someone else on this thread put it so perfectly -- a socially moderate imperialist and a socially conservative imperialist. Some choice.

I think we really need to consider going to a two-party system one of these days.


wp
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:07 PM
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28. Revolt nt
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:08 PM
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29. leave the country? Not practical for me.
Anarchy? No.
Drop Out? No.
Start a Revolution? Yeah, right.
Accept it but bitch for another four years? No.

I'll do what I have been doing which is supporting candidates and causes which I believe in. Opposing the war or any other illegal wars they want to start.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:08 PM
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30. My sister-in-law is Japanese
Maybe she could instruct me in the proper ritual of Hara Kiri?
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:17 PM
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33. I'd start reaming Democratic ass!
Our guys are like the neocon frat boys who get smacked with a wooden paddle in Animal House:

"Thank you sir! May I have another?" WHACK!! "Thank you sir! May I have another?"

I'm tired of our alleged 'leadership' rolling over time and again for these jerks. I'll start supporting people who'll stand up and FIGHT! And do whatever I can to get these DINO's bounced out of politics FOREVER!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:20 PM
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34. I'm officially over the edge because I did think about this.
I'm going to renew my passport between now and the election because I don't want to live in a Huckabee Amerika or a Romney one or a Guiliani one. It's just too frightening. And preparing a way out is just like preparing for FEMA not to respond to our next earthquake. :shrug:

They all look quite mad to me, not to mention, evil as hell. I don't think any of them can win but I'm not sure they can't steal the election. My boys are men and my parents are safe. In fact, I might be able to convince my mom to go south with me.

I used to smirk a little at our DU "I'm outta here" threads. I'm not smirking any more. Between the camps they're building, no habeus, the spying and the hatred being engendered in this society, this place is just scary any more.

I'll have to support your revolution off site, graywarrior, unless I can find a good hideout in the mountains.



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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:35 PM
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37. This is a stupid question to ask on a public and monitored message board
And only a fool would anser the question on a public message board that is no doubt watched very closely by Bushie Thugs, Murderers and Gullible Dupes Thinking They Are Serving America Rather Than a Group of Arch-Criminals.

Besides, it is almost a certainty what 99.9% of Imperial Subjects of Amerika will do.

Obey. Duck their heads, cover their ears and try to get on with life as best they can.

And that, in the end, is the only thing that really matters to all of us.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 03:38 PM
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38. If they win again..................
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 03:39 PM by Enthusiast
They didn't win the last two but it didn't matter. If they continue to hold power the U.S.A. will get into a world wide conflict. It will be vast, possibly with our former allie's turning against us, and justifiably.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 05:55 PM
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44. Thank you for your input. I am well known as a stupid question asker.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:15 PM
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45. Sorry to be so harsh, but you are doing the work of Bushie Criminals for them.
My apologies for reacting so harshly.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:17 PM
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47. Cripes, they'd have their hands full with a whiney, complaining little crab like me.
Besides, they must know I am stupid is as stupid does.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:09 PM
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40. Hi, Agent Mike, how is the weather?
You doin' ok???

Hope so. I wish you would get a life.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:43 PM
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41. Buying more guns and plenty of ammunition!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:45 PM
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42. Get completely out of the stock market!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 04:58 PM
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43. I would leave. nt
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:16 PM
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46. They don't need to win - they just need to place
The voting machines will take care of the rest.

And when they "win"? I'll keep busy with my IEDs: Internet Election Discussions.

:)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:19 PM
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48. I'll be off to deepest Madagascar, to bring the Lemurs the gifts of FIRE and toolmaking.
Because another Repub President will be all the evidence I need
to declare Homo Sapiens a failed experiment. That will be time
to start over from scratch.
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