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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:02 AM
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The Huckster: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"
Huckabee questions Mormons' belief By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer
Tue Dec 11, 6:46 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"


The article, to be published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn't know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.

A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.

"We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all," said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. "That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for."

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071211/ap_po/huckabee_mormons
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:04 AM
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1. Yes, some mormons do believe that they are "spirit brothers"
Mormonism is a complex faith with alot of the original "true" teachings being repackaged for popular consumption.



"dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!"
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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:19 AM
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8. Buddy Jesus and Baddy Lucifer, blood brothers to the end

In my 37 years as a Morbot McMormon I remember that doctrine being preached from the pulpit all the time. NOw they've gone and changed it!! I wonder if it's like the rest of the LDS doctrine and history that seems to be quite fluid and changing as long as the public and members are pointing out the inconsistancies and fallacies and outright lies. Next thing you know they won't be "mormons" at all but members of a "Judeo Christian Sect". Oh yeah, Mitt Romney allready claimed that one. Well, mainstream or not, the people are nice, the doctrine is bullshit, and the mormon funeral potatoes are fabulous. You haven't lived till you've had those nice cheesy potatoes and ham and green jello with pears or shredded carrots in it. And Near-Beer. They know how to party!!!

Mormon Curtain.com will give you a good peek under the covers
Be careful, it's creepy but fairly harmless unless you're one of the devout trying to get out, then they will make your life a living hell and ostracize you, separate your children, and shut your business down.

One only needs to look under the Mormon covers a little to find bizarre and silly doctrine. Here's just one of their kooky theories posed as scripture from none other than that big joker, GOD....(he speaks exclusively to Mormon men, especially the really horny pedophile ones)

http://ldsdoctrine.blogspot.com/2006/12/mo...

There is pre-exile-OT teaching that supports the NT concept of Satan. Isaiah prophesies of the future destruction of Babylon by comparing it’s fall to the Fall of Lucifer from the heavenly council to Earth (who became Satan) and the eventual fall of Satan from Earth to Outer Darkness. Satan and the angels that follow him will not be joined with their mortal followers because through Christ, even the wicked will be resurrected (resurrection of just and unjust of those who kept their first estate). (See Isa. 14: 12-16).

John the Revelator continues the vision of Lucifer fall from Heaven during the Great War in Heaven, which continues on the Earth in which he draws “a third part” of our brothers and sisters with him. (See Rev. 12: 4).

I recognize that all this may be difficult to follow because there are quite a number of new concepts for non-LDS including: anti-mortal existence, heavenly council, Lucifer->Satan, War in Heaven, literal physical resurrection, ect.
Mormon Doctrine on Lucifer/Devil/Satan/Adversary:
1. He existed at the creation in the pre-mortal existance
2. He is a spirit son of God known as Lucifer "light bearer" or "son of the morning."
3. He was a member of the heavenly council
4. He opposed God's plan, the agency of Man, and the role of a Messiah
5. He wanted to take God's place
6. He drew "a third part" of our spirit brothers and sisters to his side
7. He instigated the "war in heaven"
8. He was overcome by the testimony of Jesus Christ
9. He was cast out of heaven to Earth with his angels and continues to attempt to frustrate the plan of God.
10. He is permitted by God to have some power which, in the end, serves God's purposes.
11. He is a personage of spirit, in the appearance of a man without a physical body.
12. He and his followers can place thoughts into our minds and exibits some ability to manipulate physical objects as we permit them.
13. Satan and his angels can possess us, or exibit control over us as we permit them.

Mitt Doll with exchangable values costumes, batteries not included
Whenever I see Mitt Romney, even from when he was helping SLC with it's Olympic Games challenges I get the distinct impression of a very slick used car salesman and the American people are the shills. Maybe it isn't his oily countenence and nasaly tone but more the sanctimonious sneer and practiced nods. He comes from a long line of Mormons who've perfected this "Public Persona" in their weekly meetings, BYU and televised broadcasts. That half turn at the podium and head nod that suggests he's coming down a notch to casual, "I'm going to let you in on the secret" pose.

I grew up Mormon and saw this all the time, especially in the church heirarchy. The more they blink their eyes in a practiced show of "Deep spiritual sincerity" and soften the voice to a BYU pentameter and sing songy tone, the bigger the lie they're telling. The Mormon leaders are so skilled at this tactic andit's been practiced from the inception of the church by their biggest leader/liar, Joseph Smith. Brigham Young mastered it better than any in his time and his manipulation of the press and our govt. for his dirty and corrupt secrets and power is legendary. The documentation is overwhelming on all these counts. I believe Mitt Romney is just the latest puppet mouthpiece in this church's history of lies, manipulation, and absolute distortion of truth, history, or fact. They invented obsfucation. Go to http://www.mormoncurtain.com / and do a little browsing.

The Mormon people aren't bad, just their doctrine and religious practices. Beware America if you are foolish enough to support or elect such a charletan. He has been conditioned from birth to close his eyes to reality, fact, or reason. He'll jettison loyalties faster than grease through a goose when it comes to holding true to any value he professes at at the moment. He's a puppet of the Repub. party and I highly suspect under all that makeup is JEB BUSH, just waiting for his turn in the drivers seat.

Pinnochio wants to become a "Real Boy" but he just can't stop lying and so his nose grows and grows. He can't help it, he comes from a long line of such purveyors of obfuscation and revisionist history and he's been so well trained in the art that it's second nature to change positions, to re position his position, to deny, cover up and feign ignorance at the lies or inconsistancies. Yes, he's a dyed in the wool McMormon, but that makes him ripe for the kind of distortion necessary to be the perfect wooden puppet for the Republican Puppetmasters.

If you want to know how many Mormon Leaders have practiced "lying for the Lord" in the past, here's an in-depth link. This man's experience is very common among those who try to leave or make sense of the church doctrine. http://www.exmormon.org/whylft149.htm


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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:53 AM
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21. Thanks insanad that is some very creepy info
:scared:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:05 AM
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2. Huckabee is a devious little devil, indeed.
Watch that one.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:05 AM
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3. Don't christians believe that those who work on the sabbath should be stoned to death?
Or do christians just pick and choose in the bible what is convenient at any given time to believe?

huckleberry and romney and their supporters are proving the founding fathers point and efforts to keep church and state separated.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:08 AM
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4. No they do not believe that.
Jesus asked a man once if his donkey was drowning in a well on shabbat, shouldnt you go in and save it even though it is work. Christianity is pretty clear on the Torah and the laws.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:26 AM
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12. In that case, why are so many Christians opposed to homosexuality?
Many Christians do pick and choose which passages of the Bible to enforce.
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:48 AM
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18. Nahh St Paul covered that one too.
Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." (King James Version)

1Corithians 6:9-10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate , nor abusers of themselves with mankind Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (King James Version)

Jude 1:7: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:13 AM
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5. If all the people who claimed to be Christians actually lived the faith
the world would be a different place. The fact that many atrocities are committed in the name of God/religion doesn't speak well of organized religion. Almost all organized religions become part and parcel of the existing power structure, playing the role of facilitator.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:38 AM
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14. Jesus lived at the cross roads of the Old Silk Road, good chance he ran into Buddhism, how else in a
culture where people gleefully stoned to death friends and family for gOD, without judicial review for totally absurd reasons, how could someone acquire a philosophy of unconditional love and tollerance..??

maybe it traveled down the silk road from India during the 500 years after the Buddha started teaching it..and an impressionable young Jew working for the Romans for sub-minimum wage becomes a Union Organizer.. a lot more believable than...
'
the half breed son of a 'jealous *god*'.. <*also historically known as a Demi-god> crosses his cosmic sperm donor father, and becomes a 'Bleeding Heart Liberal' with no consequences.!!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:18 AM
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6. I think Bill Maher called it "Cafeteria Christianity"
because you can pick & choose which aspects of the Christian faith that you follow.

One line in Leviticus justifies hatred of homosexuals, but thousands of lines about helping the poor means to tell them to suck it up and enjoy trickle-down economics.

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:19 AM
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7. Is Huckleberry Hound for real? The more I
see and hear him makes me wonder is he is from another planet. And the press and pundits all talk about him as if he is a breath of fresh air. We are not electing Preacher of the U.S.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:23 AM
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9. Typical Repug tactics.....It doesnt matter if its true.....
just putting the statement in the "thought bubble" is all it takes for the simple minded.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:25 AM
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10. Didn't Mike Huckabee admit to not believing in evolution?
So their both a couple of religious morons. In fact the whole debate shouldn't even be happening and wouldn't if these idiots weren't trying to set religious standards for holding public office.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:27 AM
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13. Admit to it?! He bragged that he doesn't believe in evolution!
And people cheered.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:26 AM
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11. Huckleberry finally decided to "go there" on Mormonism--
this will eventually backfire--maybe not in Iowa, but later on. Just makes him look like a jerk and a bigot.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:41 AM
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15. I guess this settles it once and for all who he's answering to..
and it ain't "God".
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:43 AM
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16. What is more important than this
is how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Can you tell me? It's really, really, really important and I can't vote until I hear the right answer from a candidate. :bounce:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:52 AM
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20. No, actually that question has been modified.
It's now "how many angels can dance on the end of a bullet before it blows an elk's head off" since Hucklebee Hound credits angels "guiding that bullet" for his ability to drop an elk from nearly 300 yards away.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:46 AM
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17. Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness Huckyboy...n/t
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:48 AM
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19. Not false witness.
See the first post.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:40 AM
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24. It is to the extent that he is using this to smear Romney..
and he really doesn't know whether Romney believes this or not. I actually don't give a shit, and I hope they both tear each other to pieces.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:06 AM
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22. hey everybody.. Jesus is at it again, im start'n a new religion!, my dog just shit some gold tablets
:bounce: :toast: :woohoo:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:34 AM
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23. Here's a link to the freeper thread on the Hucksters attack.
It's going over there about as well as it's going over here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938340/posts
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:22 AM
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26. Yeah that was a suprising reaction n/t
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:42 AM
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25. If Satan is the exact opposite of Christ, then isn't the Anti-Christ a misnomer?
Or is Satan going to also be his son?
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:26 AM
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27. Isn't he always bragging about his "theology degree"?
Shouldn't a learned theologian such as he, know the answer to that question?
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