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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:24 AM
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Larisa Alexandrovna: The Evil Men Do... (GRAPHIC IMAGES WARNING)
http://www.atlargely.com/2007/12/the-evil-that-m.html

The evil that men do...

Well, I will leave it to you to decide what it is that we have become.

There are two stories today that will make your blood boil - if you have a conscience that is, and your patriotism really mean something if you get up and say enough is enough - if you are patriotically inclined beyond just the symbols of freedom.

From our ally, Britain, and what we have done to one of their own (emph mine):

The photographic evidence will be vital to clear Binyam Mohammed, 27, who the Americans want to bring before a Military Commission on charges of terrorism, say his lawyers.

Last week it emerged that Britain had negotiated the release of four detainees who have British residence status but Mr Mohammed, who speaks with a London accent, and at least three others are being held back.

In a letter sent to the Foreign Secretary David Miliband, Britain is urged to ask the US to stop the CIA destroying the pictures.

Clive Stafford-Smith, the legal director of Reprieve representing Mr Mohammed, said that he also knows the identity of the agents who were present when his client was allegedly beaten and tortured. Writing to Mr Miliband, he said: "Given the opportunity, we can prove that the evidence was the fruit of torture. Indeed, we can prove that a photographic record was made of this by the CIA. Through diligent investigation we know when the CIA took pictures of Mr Mohammed's brutalised genitalia, we know the identity of the CIA agents who were present including the person who took the pictures (we know both their false identities and their true names), and we know what those pictures show."

He added: "I have been privy to materials that allegedly support the finding that Mr Mohammed should be held, and while I cannot discuss some here (due to classification rules), I can state unequivocally that I have seen no evidence of any kind against Mr Mohammed that is not the bitter fruit of torture."

BELOW ARE VERY GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING PHOTOS. DON'T CONTINUE IF YOU WISH TO AVOID THEM.

Release the names of the interrogators, because they have no place in any society. What did they do that caused this man's genitalia to be "brutalized?" Somehow, I think, that the people who were doing the brutalizing were likely contractors. Sex crimes are not usually the turf of professionals, not unless there is a whole new monster working the halls of our various intelligence and military organizations and departments.

If you think this is isolated, then consider what my good friend and the most important journalist of this era has said on the topic of torture and the victims in US custody.

And I would — debating about it (long pause). Some of the worst things that happened that you don’t know about. OK? Videos. There are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at (Abu Ghraib), which is about 30 miles from Baghdad — 30 kilometers, maybe, just 20 miles, I'm not sure whether it's — anyway. The women were passing messages out saying please come and kill me because of what’s happened. And basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children, in cases that have been (video) recorded, the boys were sodomized, with the cameras rolling, and the worst above all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking. That your government has, and they’re in total terror it’s going to come out. It’s impossible to say to yourself, how did we get there, who are we, who are these people that sent us there.

Aside from questions of child pornography being made as these kids are raped (you can call it evidence of interrogations if you want, i call it child porn) is the obvious question, who the hell is raping these children? Would professionals in any branch of our government actively partake in this type of activity? If so, why would their names require protection or their crimes the cover of national security?

We also know that these are not the first sexual horrors conducted on the imprisoned victims of this administration. Below are photos bravely released by Salon which show incredibly horrific things. I warn you in advance.

The below picture is said to be of a mentally retarded man who is forced to sodomize himself with a banana.




These two men are both naked and chained together, photographed with their genitals exposed.



This is a photo of a female prisoner forced to show her breasts.



- snip -

These are photos that have been allowed to see the light of day. Imagine what we have yet to see.

The second story is about a contractor you may have heard of, Halliburton:

"A Houston, Texas woman says she was gang-raped by Halliburton/KBR coworkers in Baghdad, and the company and the U.S. government are covering up the incident.

- snip -

"Don't plan on working back in Iraq. There won't be a position here, and there won't be a position in Houston," Jones says she was told.

In a lawsuit filed in federal court against Halliburton and its then-subsidiary KBR, Jones says she was held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR, which posted armed security guards outside her door, who would not let her leave.

- snip -

Finally, Jones says, she convinced a sympathetic guard to loan her a cell phone so she could call her father in Texas.

"I said, 'Dad, I've been raped. I don't know what to do. I'm in this container, and I'm not able to leave,'" she said. Her father called their congressman, Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas.

"We contacted the State Department first," Poe told ABCNews.com, "and told them of the urgency of rescuing an American citizen" -- from her American employer."

- snip -

Legal experts say Jones' alleged assailants will likely never face a judge and jury, due to an enormous loophole that has effectively left contractors in Iraq beyond the reach of United States law."

Now why would the DOJ not investigate this matter? Clearly there appears to be a culture of sexual violence that not only exists inside the prison walls, but also outside of them. Moreover, the sexual crimes are not restricted to gender, age or nationality. I wonder how many other women have been raped and not come forward out of fear.

Then of course there is the question of what happens to these rapists, torture jocks, and prison pornographers once they get back home. Do they just go back to their day job? Do they live next door to you or me? Do we have a right to know if a child rapists is living among us? Does it matter if happens to wear a uniform or have an American flag on his lapel? You see my point, don't you? These are criminal acts that are outside of the pro-war/pro-peace argument. Rape is not interrogation. Simulated rape using foreign objects is also not interrogation. Forcing prisoners to expose their genitals for the camera is also not interrogation. These would all fall under sex crimes, would they not?

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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:40 AM
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1. I am inclined to reply ...
This is not "us." This is "them." And dammit ... we want them out. The lot of 'em. They're flippin' evil. They. Must. Go.

Further, Pelosi, for whom I voted (curse me harder than the goat to the Cubs for that shit), can go straight to hell.

Ever wanna curl up into a fetal position and cry?

Commence ... I am.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:28 AM
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15. This is not America, this is republicon values in action
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 10:30 AM by SpiralHawk
The republicons have done this to people -- and brought shame upon all of the United States of America for their brutal, amoral CRUSADE for power and oil profits.

What the republicon homelanders have done to our once honorable nation:
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:13 PM
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18. oh and speaking of
it appears Cheney will have his comeuppance as Iraq is on the verge of signing over their super giant fields.

Oh. Yay.

Not.

:banghead:
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:06 AM
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2. This is us, it is our society. We just keep denying it.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:23 AM
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3. I suspect the Nazis did this same kind of stuff
We are in deep shit.

Don
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:19 AM
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4. The first pic was not necessary, simple description alone would have
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 06:37 AM by Diamond Dave
done the entire scene justice, hissyspit and Larisa. Hissy dear - you went to far - even with your warning. SO NOT NECESSARY!

Is this what we are? Is this what we have become? Enough!

Hissy - go back to your cartoon with bush on his rocking horse crying out for "unca Dick" to save him. Come on dear one, you can do better and this is not it. Don't go this low, it just is not worthy of you.

on edit,

oh yeah, these sick, twisted, mof's are "coming home" to patrol our streets, "with justice for all". Just like in the "PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG"

I think we are in trouble, big time.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:54 AM
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6. I disagree DDave
The picture has much greater impact on us all. We'll remember the pic after the words have faded. There is so much info in the picture - the cable-tied ankles, the hopelessness, the pointlessness.

It is time everyone faced hard reality and it is in that picture (and the others).

By comparison, consider the public apathy toward the destruction of Fallujah with the outrage of those who saw the pictures from Dahr Jamail et al. Pictures work.

I would applaud the open publication of the very worst images including the pics and tapes from Abu Ghraib which shocked and sickened the Senators who have seen them. Perhaps that might bring an end to this idiocy.

BTW the post warnings were clear and appropriate which is a necessity.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:57 AM
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7. Believe it or not..
there are far worse
pics than these that
are already on the web.
These are mild compared
to some.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:14 AM
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11. A picture is worth a thousand words
nuff said
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:26 AM
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14. This is not a new picture,
and the description of a child being raped in front of their parent is horrible, but it would never compare to being forced to watch it, like we made the Germans do after we freed the Jews and marched the towns people through the camps.

If showing these pictures now somehow stops us from having to be marched through our own camps later, then show them far and wide, show them all, and everyone take a damned good look.



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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:52 AM
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16. Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Ignoring the evidence of these atrocities is part of the problem.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:36 AM
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22. We tried using just descriptions once here ar DU
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 05:56 AM by NNN0LHI
Guess what happened? Without the photos just describing what we were doing to the Iraqi people would get someone called an American hater and a liar here real fast. Then the photos came out and that all changed. Americans require photo evidence.

Don
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:32 AM
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5. sex crimes?
Certainly civilian sex crimes.
Also clearly international war crimes and crimes under UCMJ.
Further, they are moral and ethical crimes, and if christians are involved they are also religious crimes.

Never mind - Paris Hilton has her tits out and Spiers is going commando again! Look over there --> .

K&R
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:57 AM
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8. The people who did this will come back and work as cops
Do you want these kind of people protecting you and your family?

Some were cops before they went to Iraq.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:15 AM
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9. The horror of these actions must be faced
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 07:16 AM by SalmonChantedEvening
And shown to the world. The disdain and disgust at seeing these images should make any decent human being scream NO MORE.

Anyone responsible in any way for these atrocities should know justice both fully and fairly, and at it's most severe.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:26 AM
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10. Sick, sick, sick
Can you imagine what else these war criminals have done to fellow human beings?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:22 AM
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12. I'd rather not thank you, just discover who they are and lock them up.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:26 AM
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13. I still hope they will be tried for these crimes n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:09 PM
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17. .
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:58 AM
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19. if these photos appeared in your morning paper and on the evening news . . .
it might -- MIGHT -- be just the wake-up call that this nation needs to break the public apathy that allows such atrocities to continue . . . fat chance, huh? . . .
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:00 AM
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20. that would never happen...
they would violate decency laws... so you might be offended by what your tax dollars contributed to, so we won't show you the evidence. to me, these are clear examples of sex crimes and/or violent crimes and exploitation in general. I see no interrogation here. do you? it makes me very sad and guilty to think that I paid for this.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:11 AM
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21. We have utterly devolved
Shameful. :cry:
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