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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:43 AM
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Kerry: Planet's fate hinges on our choices
12/04/2007

Boston Globe: Planet's fate hinges on our choices

By John Kerry

WHILE LEADERS across the globe study the tea leaves of last week's Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, diplomats are meeting half a world away with the potential to be just as critical to our future and our security. Delegates from nearly every country in the world are arriving in Bali, Indonesia, to start work on a new international climate-change treaty. These negotiations mark the beginning of a process that may well hold in the balance the survival of our planet as we know it, not to mention the long-term safety of coastal cities like Boston.

During the American Revolution, Benjamin Franklin wrote, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Today, the nations of the world face a similar choice: Either we finally commit ourselves to a collective global effort to combat climate change, or we resign ourselves to watching humanity pollute our way toward calamity.

This week, Senator Barbara Boxer and I are leading a Senate delegation to Bali. We have been on the front lines of the battle to change America's domestic policies on energy and emissions. But unless we simultaneously engage the developing world in an effort to address greenhouse gas emissions, our best efforts at home could be swallowed whole by a surge of new emissions overseas.

Never before in human history has half the world industrialized at the same time. In the decades ahead, many of the 3 billion people living in China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and Indonesia will begin driving cars, consuming ever greater quantities of energy and resources, and building the factories and power plants to sustain those habits.

America must step up and lead in the best traditions of our foreign policy. Otherwise, the world will not mobilize to stop catastrophic climate change in time. Today, American inaction has been used both as an excuse and a green light for all the world's polluters to continue behavior that will ultimately threaten life on Earth.

In 1992, I was part of the Senate delegation to the Rio Earth Summit. Each year since 1992, the science has become more certain. Across the world scientists and political leaders - except, too often, ours - have spoken out and acted decisively. Only the United States stands out as a holdout for inaction.

That is why our most important goal in Bali is to send a clear message to the world that America is finally serious about fixing climate change. We should take a leadership role in developing a "Bali mandate" for negotiations toward a truly global agreement, not one that leaves the world's largest emitter of the past and the largest emitters of the future outside the system. That's what doomed the Kyoto Protocol and helped send the world on a collision course with a catastrophe of our own making.

I can't emphasize enough how much things have changed since then. We've all seen attitudes shift dramatically here at home. What is less well known is that today a country like China recognizes its vital interest in curbing emissions. China, home to 16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities, plans a 20 percent cut in energy intensity by 2010. Next year, China's fleet-wide fuel efficiency will be 36.7 miles per gallon - higher than the Senate's proposed target for 2020. There's a caricature out there that China won't listen - conveniently used by posturing politicians here at home who themselves refuse to listen to science - but the reality is that a diplomatic breakthrough may be within reach.

The only fair and realistic basis for a solution that satisfies both the developed and developing worlds is shared but differentiated responsibility. The United States and other industrialized nations must accept mandatory caps. China and other developing countries will have to make their own significant contributions - not in the same form as ours, but perhaps a reduction per unit of GDP growth or sector-based caps. Down the road, China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and other developing nations will have to lower absolute emissions. But today we must put developing countries on a path to lowering emissions without impeding their economic growth.

In Bali and beyond, America must also commit to a massive new campaign aimed at fostering green development - stoking green innovations and helping billions of people to adopt them. At the heart of that effort must be new technologies that capture and sequester the carbon emissions caused by burning coal. Today the Chinese are building one coal-fired power plant per week, each of which will continue polluting for decades to come. We should also create an internationally-funded research consortium and reduce tariffs on green producers overseas. We can reward countries that meet emissions standards and help US companies to sell green products overseas.

Our response to climate change is a test of America's leadership in the 21st century. We need a new environmental diplomacy - a commitment to make the fight against global warming an integral part of our foreign relations and our national security strategy.

Lincoln called America "the last, best hope of earth." Those words are still true, so let's stop being the denier of global warming that endangers the Earth. Let's not just hope for progress in Bali, let's make it happen.


In another op-ed piece, Kerry pointed out:

Australia's John Howard recently became the first national leader voted out of office in large measure because of his failure to respond to citizens' concerns about global warming. Newly elected Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has said he'll make global warming his first priority in office.


Howard's departure comes at a great time.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:52 AM
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1. Well, no. The planet will continue even without us.
Planet doesn't give a shit.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:53 AM
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3. So no other species will be affected by global warming
except for us? Everything will continue to just be fine for everyone else?

I don't think he's talking about the physical core and crust and all that, but rather the ecosystems and life on the planet.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:27 PM
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9. Once were out of the mix things should eventually stabilize
and whatever life is left will thrive.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:44 PM
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22. No, the poster is talking about Gaia
The planet itself will outlive us and the us I speak about includes many species but especially the most destructive one. Different species will evolve and thrive after we're gone. Gaia will continue on and whether we continue to go on is what is actually at stake here. We live in human time, Gaia in glacial time. Therefore, she will be here long after we are just a bad memory. And in a million or two years, even our soiled nest will have been cleaned.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:52 PM
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24. Then he should start saying what he means.
The planet, and life, will carry on just fine once we leave it. Working to save the planet is stupid because the planet doesn't need saving, and if it did, what the hell could we do about it?

Let's be frank; We want to save humanity. That's it. When we say "planet" we mean "our existence" with extra emphasis on "our". But why doesn't Kerry, or anyone, come out and say that? Why are we saving the "planet" instead of saving "ourselves"?

But that would mean actually helping people. They don't wanna do that. They'll keep trying to save the "planet" while half the human population on it lives in their own filth.

I'm sorry, but the only thing these people wanna save is their own lifestyle.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:27 PM
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8. Planet = global ecosystem
unless you are only concerned about the non-living rock that orbits around the sun.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:56 PM
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25. That's clearly incorrect.
The non-living rock orbiting the sun IS the planet. The global ecosystem belongs to the planet but is not the planet.

Is it too much to ask that we use accurate definitions for things?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 08:00 PM
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26. What are you? Word police? Because every reasonnable person understood what it means.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 06:53 PM
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32. Then every reasonable person needs to consult a dictionary.
It's wrong to point out that someone is using, and postulating a completely incorrect definition?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/planet

That page has literally a dozen different definitions for planet. I searched the page for both "global" and "ecosystem". You know what? ZERO results. You know why? Because a planet is not a global ecosystem.

I know it's not a big deal, but when we start accepting sloppy standards for our language and communication where do we draw the line. If you're cool with using the word "planet" to describe Earth's global ecosystem then why not use "fish" when you want to describe a vast area trees. It makes just as much sense to me.

I find it amusing that DU makes continuous fun of hughly series spelling mistakes made by others but are willing to accept completely incorrect word usage. Why care about education for others when you won't even use yours?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:47 PM
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45. No -- this is not necessary true and there are questions about the very survival
of the planet ---

There are no guarantees that this planet will still be turning or will survive
Global Warming ---

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:52 AM
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2. we made our choices decades ago...
and now, we're going to get to lie in the bed we've made for ourselves.

if you look back at some of the major decisions we've made as a country- all in OUR NAMES through our utterly corrupt system of representative government- and mostly all made to put our personal creature comforts above the needs and good of the rest of the world's population, we DESERVE the shitstorm that is going to come raining down on us in the coming years via the twin terrors of peak-oil and global-warming. and the rest of the world pretty much deserves it too- for putting up with our crap in order to make a few bucks themselves.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:59 AM
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4. The presidency we NEEDED in 1992 was Gore-Kerry. Not Clinton-Gore.
Imagine the turnaround on the environment and the full exposure of decades of government corruption that grew the global terror networks.

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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:49 PM
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29. It's never too...
...late. :7 ...I hope...
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:28 PM
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18. Ah, somebody who fits the Right Wing's stereotype: "Hate America First"
Get yourself a history book. America may not be perfect, but we're not even close to being the worst of empires in history. And you know what? We're probably going to solve this problem, too, with American innovation and leadership. If not us, then who?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:36 PM
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19. get YOURSELF a history book- and pitch the rose-coloured stereopticon...
try this one, for starters:

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:16 PM
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27. On the basis of her posts, I assume she has read many history books
The fact of the matter is that the US as the biggest polluter has to be part of the solution - as do many of the those that will become the biggest polluters of the future. Your attack on Beachmom is as irelevent as it is puerile.

It is significant that the US will have in Gore, Kerry, Boxer and others some representatives who will work with the rest of the conference. The Bali conference initiates a 2 year process, by which time we may have a Democrat in office. Senator Kerry makes many good points in this op-ed. He at least is working, even though it is tough with Bush in control, to make a positive difference. He and Senator Snowe were the ones who negotiated the increase in CAFE standards - the first in two decades - that will likely be signed into law.

They all were involved in the compromise Leiberman-Warner global warming bill, which includes the first cap and trade proposal for carbon. Neither it or the CAFE increase is as strong as Kerry, Gore or Boxer would want if they ruled the world - but they are 2 major steps in areas where NOTHING was done for decades. They are pushing the rest of the Congress as hard and fast as they can.

I know that you are way too pure to consider that the first step is sometimes the hardest.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:20 AM
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30. our first steps don't even qualify as baby steps.
the CAFE standards are utterly meaningless and a complete joke anyway- by the time they become effective in 2020 petroleum will almost certainly be obsolete as an automotive fuel source anyway.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:00 PM
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5. We must all hang together. I wonder how he felt about offshoring?
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:22 PM
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7. Help me understand what you are asking? n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:58 PM
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17. He was against since before he entered the Senate
and has never changed on that. He spoke against the practice of offshore headquarters in the 1980s. He also refused to have investments that benefit from offshoring.

Why the innuendo?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:16 PM
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6. This thread starts to make feel dizzy - So, all of a sudden, climate change does not matter anymore?
Or is there something I am missing? In this case, please elaborate...
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:33 PM
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11. I guess
if the person writing this Op-Ed was Gore it would get different type of responses and probably more intelligent ones. But you know the Kerry bashers prove again that bashing Kerry is more important then the most "urgent" issues of the day. :crazy:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 07:49 PM
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23. Global climate change is monumentally important to humans and many, many other species
To Gaia, the living rock upon which we live, it matters little. It just is. If we want to keep squatting on this rock, we must stop where the system is headed. If we don't care that we and many other species will go away, fairly rapidly and painfully, then, no, it doesn't matter. Gaia has been here long before we were a glint in her eye and she will be here long after she eradicates the cancer that is attempting to destroy her. We are both the gleam and the cancer. We can be part of the cure or we will be gone.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:29 PM
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10. I think maybe the whole frame of "Save the Planet" might be what trips people up
It seems like such a nebulous concept. People don't really believe we can "kill" the earth. We need to start talking about this in the harshest sense. Like, do you want your children to be the last generation? Save the species not the planet.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:41 PM
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12. Thanks. You're probably right: It really does trip up a lot
of political posturers, global warming deniers and Republicans.


Save the planet! Oops, make that save life on the planet not the actual planet.


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:51 PM
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13. Save your children might even be better
If I thought most global warming deniers even gave a shit about their kids. How could there be even the smallest possiblity that the worse case scenarios could come to pass and people not be immediately motivated to change? Oh yeah, greed and convenience. The two defining factors in the eventual demise of humanity.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:58 PM
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14. I can tell you,
they don't. I have talked to some and they just don't care. As long as it isn't effecting THEM right NOW, they don't give a shit. Pathetic, I know.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:05 PM
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15. I'm all for living in the moment
But in my opinion you forfeit that when you bring life into this world.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:35 PM
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21. If you read anything either Gore or Kerry have said to
describe what is predicted, they are speaking in the most dramatic words they could use and still retain credibility - needed if they are to influence anyone.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:15 PM
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16. visibility kick & Recommended.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 02:51 PM
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20. K&R
:kick:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:47 PM
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28. Whatever... I still see nothing about nationalizing OIL nor about ELECTRIC CARS --- !!!
In order to make even the most minimal response at this LATE DATE . . .

We have to nationazlie our oil ---
take back control of our natural resources from the few privates families profiting from it--

And with a short period of time --- get ELECTRIC CARS on our highways --
we can subsidize both ends of it -- manufacture and purchase

We have to get the gas guzzlers off the roads ---

We also need an intense movement to legalize marijuana and hemp which would help
the planet and our species --- but most of all to begin to make a dent in the corrupt
power that many hold over our government.

The longer this phony Drug War goes on the deeper the corruption of both our government and
police enforce --- at the highest levels!!!

Again --- light bulbs aren't going to do it, folks !!!!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:55 AM
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31. Maybe you missed Kerry's book tour,
where he spoke of a MA company that had created on aftermarket battery that could make a Prius hybrid get 150 mpg and could use no gas at all for round trips under 40 miles.

Kerry has held hearings in the Small Business committee on various energy saving technologies and ways to process coal in a cleaner fashion. (He wants a project where 10 or so possible methods are tested simultaneously.)

I doubt any US Senator will call for nationalizing oil - or anything else.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:14 PM
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34. See: "Who Killed the Electric Car?" . . . it's a movie everyone should see ---
Good for Kerry --- but I don't see that there is enough discuss to get this into the public's awareness ---

And, coal is a fossil fue --- and as far as I can see would be a very bad idea.

Well -- re nationalizing our oil and other natural resources ---
EXACTLY . . . many of these candidates have oil sponsors ---
Gore had a career-long oil sponsor ---

However, it is up to the public to call for nationalizing our oil and other resources
and taking them out of the hands of private families who benefit.

The Democratic Platform which JFK ran on called for nationalizing our oil ---

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 07:54 PM
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33. You didn't read his and Teresa's book. BTW - they've both been on the enviro forefront for decades
now.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:16 PM
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35. No -- I haven't read Kerry's book ---
However, what I'm talking about re ELECTRIC CARS is the need to get gas-guzzlers off our
roads within a 5 year period ---

We can subsidize both manufacture and purchase ---

The threat from Global Warming is very real and very serious ---

and light bulbs aren't going to do it ---!!!


Additionally, the public needs to focus on our natural resources ---
and take them back from the few private families controlling them and benefiting from them.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:25 PM
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36. Again - if you read Kerry's book you'll see he and Teresa are far beyond the rhetoric
of just about every lawmaker in DC. And have been for decades now.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 08:29 PM
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37. Someone has to call fo rnationalizing our oil --- maybe it'll be Kerry????
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 08:39 PM by defendandprotect
Next time I'm in my library I'll see if they have his book --- this is new?

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 08:33 PM
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38. This year, anyway. I still need to read it myself.
Perhaps he will be the one. He's definitely been involved in environmentalism for years now. I hear he was even involved in the organization of Earth Day to some extent, though I can't remember the exact story.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 08:39 PM
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39. They've pretty much "disappeared" Earth Day --- we need to seriously resurrect it !!!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:11 PM
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40. Not by me they haven't. My community celebrates it every year
And they're not even liberal, most of them.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:44 PM
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44. Yes, there are things that go on in NJ re Earth Day; however, it is barely
mentioned in our newspaper --- nor in the NY Times ---
I think because of that it has slipped from public awareness largely ---

Not that I watch a lot of MSM, but I don't think the coverage there, either, is what it
once was --- ???


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:44 PM
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43. A college friend of his from Yale was a staffer
for Senator Nelson, who was the father of earth day. The plan was to have events all over the country. He enlisted Kerry to speak at Boston's. (They also painted one highway Green). This was in 1970 before he was allowed to speech against the war - he was still in the Navy.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:40 PM
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41. I doubt it and hope not -
The book deals with various environmental issues and people who have acted independently to find solutions - often finding that there already were laws preventing the actions causing the problems they were fighting. It also has a lot on green building - a field where Teresa via her foundation has been a pioneer recruiting people to create green buildings. It has a huge amount on environmental toxins.

It came out in March 2007.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 09:42 PM
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42. Why do you feel that we should have privatized oil ownership?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:02 PM
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46. What other goods or services are nationalied?
At this point, they are private companies owned by their stockholders. I don't think that our government should have the task of running the various energy companies.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 09:22 PM
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47. You mean a good idea has to have been used before or it's no good?
Other nations have privatized their natural resources ---
We have conducted wars to keep other nations from doing this ---

We could have avoided a lot of wars if we had respected the notion that sovereign nations
have the right to decide upon their own internal economic conditions ---

We are looking right now to have health care extended to everyone ---
We are looking for NATIONAL health care --- a one payer system ---

Additionally, concepts of commonwealths have always existed --

The Democratic platform which JFK ran on called for nationalizing our oil ---

From what we can see of privatizing anything --- it has been disastrous ---
from Blackwater's threat to our democracy to the destruction of rail service in America --

In fact, our ride to Global Warming largely began when electric trolleys were ripped up by
those involved in selling cars and gasoline --- !!!

We need mass transportation ---
We need Electric cars on our roadways ---

If you understand Global Warming you understand that talk of "stockholders and private
companies" are simply flies in the ointment vs our survival ---
Capitalism is a fraud --- a ridiculous "King-of-the-Hill-System" ---





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