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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:31 PM
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Juan Cole on McCain's "new low of despicable looniness, at the Republican debate"
Thursday, November 29, 2007

McCain blames Rise of Hitler on Ron Paul
Not Invading and Occupying other Countries Branded 'Isolationism'

In a new low of despicable looniness, at the Republican debate in St. Petersburg, John McCain equated those Americans who want to stop militarily occupying Iraq with Hitler-enablers. He actually said that, saying that it was 'isolationism' of a sort that allowed Hitler to come to power.

It gives a person a certain amount of faith in one's fellow Americans that McCain was booed by the Republican crowd for this piece of calumny. Comparisons to Hitler should be automatic grounds for a candidate to be disqualified from being president.

But then McCain is the same person who joked about bombing Iran. He thinks that killing all those children from the air would be funny?

McCain also repeated his standard lie that Iraqis would attack the United States if US troops were withdrawn from that country. He contrasted the Vietnamese Communists, who, he said, just wanted to build their workers' utopia in Vietnam once the US left, with Iraqis, who he continues to confuse with Usamah Bin Laden (a Saudi living far from Iraq who never had anything to do with Iraq).

Of course, back in the early 1970s, if you had asked McCain, he would have said we have to fight the Vietnamese because of the Domino effect, and if we lost there then International Communism would be in our living rooms. Now, he says the Vietnamese Communists weren't expansionist at all, and just wanted socialism in one country.

So then, John, if that was true and there was never any danger of a domino effect, why did we sacrifice 58,000 US lives and kill a million to two million Vietnamese peasants? You just admitted we weren't in any danger from them, even if they defeated us.

But since you were wrong about the domino effect with regard to Vietnamese Communism (which I remember arguing in a class debate as a teenager in 1967 was just a form of nationalism), how do we know you aren't just as wrong or wronger about your fantastic Muslim domino theory? After all, international communism was a big important political movement to which many governments adhered. Al-Qaeda is a few thousand scruffy guys afraid to come out of their caves, who don't even have good sleeping bags much less a government to their name.

McCain is so confused that he thinks Shiite Iran is supporting "al-Qaeda." When I think that people who say these crazy things serve in the US senate and are plausible as presidents of our Republic, I despair a little. (When I see a nut job like Tancredo on the podium, he of 'let's nuke Mecca,' I despair a lot, but that is a different story.)

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:33 PM
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1. Who does he blame for the rise of Bush? n/t
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TBUSA Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:37 PM
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2. I remember that he enabled the a-hole to approve torture...
I would like to ask him; How can you support an asshole who supports torture?
Is party above Country?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:38 PM
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3. So he's saying that his friend and fellow Vietnam vet, Hagel, is also a Hitler-enabler?
That's just sick. And I am too, I guess. Someone really ought to throw a butterfly net over this guy and do a brain-scan on him.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:12 PM
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4. his concession regarding Vietnam was startling
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:21 PM
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5. Talk About A Stretch
I'm sooooo tired of these chickenshit Repugnicans attempting to compare a bunch of towel heads in a cave with a country armed to the teeth. Hitler represented a military industrial complex (aided by the boooosh family) that fielded an army of millions trained with the latest military gear. Al Queda doesn't even have its own airplane, yet air force. The comparisons are so disengenuous considering the biggest isolationists of that time were McCain's buddies in the Repugnican party (many who were "America Firsters").

The ignorance most Repugnicans have about both the Middle East and the causes for attacks against the United States are like a self-fulfilling prophecy. They do all they can to try to make "islamofascism" (wtf that is) the new "communism" and dust off the old cold war playbook. This corrupt party is so wedded to war and the industries that profit from it, they need to create threats to keep that welfare train a-rollin'.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:00 PM
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6. McLame is TOAST...The GOP is Above Country....They want it that way..work at it, demand it...
Despicable and deplorable...
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:20 PM
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7. McCain came across as an unstable old crank....
I just don't think he's a contender anymore.

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