Do you believe our nation is being purposefully destroyed...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

Poll question: Do you believe our nation is being purposefully destroyed...

...from within in order to facilitate the agenda of the architects of a New World Order? In other words, are we being prepped for assimilation?

And if so, do you believe it's too late to stop them -- is resistance futile?

---------------------------------------------------------------

Who Runs the World and Why You Need to Know Immediately
By Carolyn Baker
Online Journal Contributing Writer

---snip---

In the book's final pages, Estulin's research waxes increasingly relevant to the present moment in history. He asks: "Why would David Rockefeller and other U.S. Trilateralists, Bilderbergers and the CFR members want to dismantle the industrial might of the United States?" <184> He then launches into a summary of the economic history of the twentieth century and makes one of the most powerful statements of the entire book: "What we have witnessed from this ‘cabal' is the gradual collapsing of the U.S. economy that began in the 1980s." <187>

In case you haven't noticed, this "gradual collapse of the U.S. economy" is no longer gradual, and what Estulin is asserting confirms a great deal of the assertions made by Catherine Austin Fitts that the current housing bubble explosion/credit crunch/mortgage meltdown has its roots in the 1980s. James Howard Kunstler has also recently written an article on his blog, entitled "Shock and Awe," that the great American yard sale has begun. In other words, as an engineered economic meltdown drives hundreds of thousands and eventually millions of businesses and individuals into bankruptcy, key players in the Big Three ruling elite organizations can buy up the train wreck left behind for pennies on the dollar -- a brilliant fast-track strategy for owning the world.

In the final months of 2007, we are witnessing the stupendous success of the Big Three's strategy for planetary economic hegemony as the cacophony of their carefully engineered global economic cataclysm reverberates across America and around the world. It was never about buyers who didn't read the fine print when taking out liar loans. It was always about silver-tongued, ruling elite politicians and central bankers, anointed by the shadow government, who ultimately and skillfully stole and continue to steal governments from people and replace them with transnational corporations...

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2659.shtml




------YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED-------


It's happened here before:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FI4gFmInIJ4

On edit: Minor spelling/grammar correction.

[Warpy]

1. I believe in unintended consequences

I believe the destruction of our regulatory systems over the past 38 years was meant to have a beneficial effect, allowing business to be conducted more efficiently and wealth shared with us all. I believe the regulations had originally been imposed because what had happened then is happening now, the knowledge that a deregulated system has only allowed thieves to prosper and is now threatening the economy as a whole.

The GOP never means to wreck an economy, it just invariably does so. Our job is to keep them out of power for the rest of our lives and try to make sure the generations that have never experienced the type of disaster they invariably produce through unintended consequences is ever repeated.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

2. I don't think the GOP meant to wreck our economy either...

...the architects of our New World Order do not answer to the GOP -- quite the reverse, if anything.

[superkia]

46. If you look at the dollar in 2002 until now, it has deteriorated like...

most things since Bush took power. I read somewhere that the goal by the elite behind the new world order agenda, want to do away with the dollar and move to either the euro or a another new international form of the euro. I believe it is exactly what they planned, when the dollar completely collapses, we the people would understand the need to go to a new form of currency that I believe will eventually be used by everyone that is a part of the big takeover. Saddam is dead so now they must get rid of any other dictators that have their own oil and wont go along with the new world order bullshit because they already have complete control of their people and their country, why join the other elite assholes when you don't need to, you have what you want already.

This is why I believe the wars are about oil but not for us to have the oil, just that anyone with oil that wont go along with the plan must be killed or just taken over and replaced. Saddam said that Blair and Bush were out to get him, he may not have known why but he knew something was up.

[Reno.Muse]

3. We are the Borg ...resistance is futile!

[Disturbed]

4. Multi National Corps have no alligience to any country.

RWing Fascism is like the Borg.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

5. Don't make me fire up the jalopy, Reno...

[MuseRider]

6. Yes and yes

if not hell yes and hell yes.

Love the Borg Cube. It is too true, wish it wasn't but I can't think otherwise at this point.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

8. Me either -- and I don't mean to make light of it -- not a bit funny. nt.

[theguidedone]

7. Happy Thanksgiving day all!

I wish you all a happy Thanksgiving day, all praise and thanks are due to the Almighty Creator who allowed us to exist.

I thank America for being aboriginal in the advancement of our modern world.
I thank the American people for their adherence in peace, security,love, respect and understanding.
I thank America for admitting many immigrants including my family and I into their nation.

The world and I condemn George Walker Bush and his administration for abetting terror everywhere in the world.
The world and I condemn George W. Bush and his administration for being abhorrent to peace and security in the world.
The world and I condemn George W. Bush and his administration for making an about-face (being an opposite) of what this nation stands for.
The world and I condemn George W. Bush and his administration for the absurd claims against peaceful nations of the world.
The world and I condemn George W. Bush and his administration for abusing me with surveillance,and for selling the videos he records from me as entertainment, research and as a laughing stock.
The world and I condemn the U.S leaders for not being accountable for their government and its policies.
The world and I condemn the U.S government for being addictive to violence and wars for the last 100 years.
The world and I condemn George W. Bush and his administration for afflicting the U.S.A and the world.

In all, the Americans and the world are allied for peace justice and security, so I personally thank everyone in the world for standing up for peace, justice and security. The world and I call the Americans to reconstruct the America its founding fathers built. I wish happy thanks giving day to everyone, peace and security.

Sincerely Abdifatah Suleiman.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

9. Nice thought, thank you -- and you have a Happy Thanksgiving too. nt.

...And:

Welcome to DU, Abdifatah Suleiman.

:hi:

[theguidedone]

10. Thank you so much Mr. Jefferson 24!

I appreciate your kind words brother. I was a DUER for almost a year. I love DU it is 1 of my favorite websites and I can not live with out it. Thank you so much for welcoming me here Mr. Jefferson.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. You're more than welcome -- DU is one of my favorites too. nt.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

12. Kick for larger sample. nt.

[Echo In Light]

13. "Unintended consequences?" Surely you jest...

In their attempt to appear level headed and professional, "conspiracy" deniers {those who hold to establishment's instruction that criminal conspiracies are non-existent...gee, who does that benefit?} cling to the even far less plausible "coincidence" theory; that the ever growing global division between the haves and have nots, the constructed police state techno infrastructure, the anti-democratic legislation, the phony wars that serve as cover for ulterior agendas, the North American Union, the ecological breakdown, all of these multi faceted variables, are merely coincidental despite all of the painfully obvious elements involved which paint a dreadfully cohesive picture of what's happening, who benefits, and who takes it in the shorts.

In short, "coincidence theorists" impute the very erroneous illogic they themselves abide to the "crazy conspiracy tin-foilers" they eagerly attack in their want of pretending that human life and actions can and are all guided by reason and altruism. Because they assume all or most people would think, value, choose and act as they prefer to see themselves doing. See?

It's as if they simply cannot fathom our species long, sad history of evil and futility, so they accuse "conspiracy theoreticians" of attempting to create a quick-fix scenario to condense many complex problems ... but the thing is, that's precisely what they themselves do in their denial of the obvious: oversimplify in order to trivialize the magnitude of the dilemma. If it isn't real, they needn't worry about it, and that means they can remain focused on the illusions of fashionable consumption they prefer to distract themselves with.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

15. I presume your post is actually meant ...

...as a response to post #1 rather than the OP -- if you're still within the time window you could copy and paste this into a reply to post #1 and then self delete this one.

[truedelphi]

34. If I have to choose between conspiracy or coincidence - I think that

Coincidence is just too coincidental.

The voting apparatus used Nov 2004 just happened to give every vote obtained through a glitch to George W.

Coincidence or conspiracy??

The MSM just happens to side with the corporate interests on everything - even this mortgage crisis has the media's applause handing the working class over to the fraudulent mortgage writers.

Every time a newspaper printed a story on the real estate issue, from 1997 till just now, it was always in terms of how wonderful the housing market was and how it could only improve.

Didn't that sound just a little too much like the stock market during the Roaring Twenties??

[madokie]

14. sure I do

I also believe we'll win this one in the end too

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. I admire your optimism. nt.

[donsu]

17. yes

nt

[Warren Stupidity]

18. Fait accompli

However their system is being driven over a steep cliff, they are running smack into the systemic dislocations of neoliberal crony capitalism's unregulated avaricious growth, peak oil, and catastrophic climate change, each feeding the other; their brilliance in achieving wealth and power never seen before in human history will be eclipsed by the disaster they have taken human civilization into. The survivors will spit on their graves, their names will be curse words, comparisons to their deeds will end debates.

[Summer93]

22. Projection

I'll second you on that!

And may they become irrelevant.

[timtom]

62. What an imprecation!

I don't believe I could have stated it with any more dignity or foreboding.

Peace this holiday season.

[Warren Stupidity]

63. As I enter the last third of my life

I find that I have become a bitter old git, yelling furiously at the storm that is surely coming, knowing that nobody is listening, that nothing will be done, but that certainly it could all have been otherwise.

[timtom]

65. We must be about the same age, then.

Not so long ago, I was driving with my son on city streets. Stopped at a light, I pointed to the nastiness (power lines, cars and cars, crappy looking buildings) and said, "See, son. It didn't have to be like this."

He understood.

[Flabbergasted]

19. Russia and the US both have to go. nt

[blues90]

20. I do so it's yes and yes

Most of this seems to be in the last 7 years with this corrupt , criminal admin and all of their enablers which include corporations and all the mega complexes .

Now it should be quite evident because it has accelerated and reaches into everything you can think of .

It's like the mongoose and the cobra have stopped attacking each other and have now turned their attention on the people of the US .

The only way I feel possible to turn this around or at least halt it is for the people to take the control . We have ways like not shopping or not cutting each others throats so one does not take advantage of another in order to get that job or get ahead . Most of all people need to get out of this spending spree and find their center in what really matters .

If we don't we are their prisoners through willful ignorance , we are their enablers .

[DLnyc]

21. Crazy as it may seem, the obvious answer is sometimes the right answer.

The American Military/Industrial/Energy cabal, described very clearly by John Perkins, an insider, in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", has simply overplayed its hand and lost. Other groups, such as the Saudis, the Chinese, the Russians, various European actors, etc. are now competing over the turf that this US-based cabal tried to monopolize. Some of these actors have a more subtle understanding of economic and social realities, so they may act in somewhat less destructive ways.

Cover-ups and secret actors certainly exist and are important. But that doesn't make every conspiracy theory true.

True, US hegemony is fading (which is a very good thing, in my opinion, for most of the people's of the world). But that is quite nicely explained as the result of hubris, greed and the inevitable expense of trying to maintain an empire, I'll just go with that logical and evident explanation.

Empires fall. America was an empire. It's falling. Not that complicated.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

31. Can't find much to disagree with in your post...

...but it does not argue for the non-existence of globalists working from the inside who seek to dismantle and assimilate the wealth of nations -- they've been around for a long time. I would certainly acknowledge that hubris, greed, and the pursuit of empire is what has left the U.S. especially vulnerable to these vultures. I view these globalist pirates very much like the corporate raider who scours Wall Street looking for grossly undervalued companies with large holdings to acquire by hostile takover -- and, as is the case with our nation, poor management is usually what leaves corporations vulnerable to this practice.

The U.S. does, in fact, have a history of engaging in this practice of assimilation itself, which you know if you're familiar with John Perkins, our first victims being the great native American Indian Nations.

[DLnyc]

56. Yes, but I think the worst and biggest of those vultures from end of WWII

up to now have been US-based globalist pirates, with the US becoming especially dominant after 1989 and the fall of the Soviet Empire. But now, espescially in the last 7 years, under the ideologically driven and unfettered reign of the neocon/EnergyDefenceOnSteroids crew, they've just overplayed their hand, thinking that they would have absolute power over absolutely everything, and will finally find themselves sitting around in the ashes of yet one more empire. Full of annoyed people like us. Like EgyptGreecePersiaRomeHRESpainEngland not to mention hundreds of smaller ones, empire is expensive. In our "modern" times (modern here being a euphemism for barbaric), we have watched the Russian and then the American Empires spend themselves into dust.

I would say most of the 'developing' world is struggling to recover from being raped and plundered by the US-led machine of "neo-liberalism" (also known as military force, if necessary). In contrast, the US itself has been hollowed out by DRIVING this process, not by RECEIVING it. True, the global pirates may turn inward to caniballism once they have lost their force in the outer world. But they're going to find pretty slim pickin's, since, as a society, we've put most of our money into raiding other cultures and very little into building up our own infrastrucure. So there's not much to raid here.

I would also say, though, judging from England, Spain and to some extent Russia, that it's possible to give up an empire and not suffer great losses. Because, I think, the expense of maintaining an empire, of managing the entire world by force (rather than cooperating with the world), this expense is so huge (e.g. well over 600 billion dollars a year), that the loss of empire frees up significant resources. IF you have a political culture that is able to redirect the resources to publicly useful projects. Like infrastructure. Like in the 30s in the US.

I also think I am sort of ranting here, and humbly beg forgiveness for any undue boringness or other unwelcome aspects. Happy Thanksgiving. Mixing white and red wine is perhaps sometimes counterindicated.

[Chalco]

23. Read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" NOW nt

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

53. I will get a copy and read it, thanks. nt.

[0007]

64. 'Tis worth checking out .......

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

[Perry Logan]

24. The neocons got in the driver's seat and drove into a tree. That's what happened.

[OxQQme]

25. What We NEED:

Kucinich/Chavez ticket.
Yeah, I know that's not a possibility. But, I can dream. tyvm

Both speak Truth to Power.

[LeftishBrit]

44. Not trying to get into pro/anti-Chavez arguments, but just to question...

How can a powerful president of a country be described as 'speaking truth to power'? He *is* power.

[DLnyc]

30. Nice one! nt

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

33. That's not a bad summation, Perry. nt.

[earth mom]

26. YES! I've been warning people here on DU and it seemed to have fallen on deaf ears yet...

your poll is at 77% so perhaps I've been shouting to the chorus.


BTW-Have you seen this:
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/


And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-15EjHCzds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRsX3LXzxD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYS4D-gUrE0

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

57. Yes I have seen Zeitgeist, and thanks for the youtube links. nt.

[Cleita]

27. Our government has been hijacked by an oil cartel with the aid

of the global industrial complex. I don't know how we will fix it unless we start our own underground economy to cause them to collapse under their own weight.

[Aristus]

28. One day we'll wake up in the United Feudal Fiefdoms of America.

n/t

[thegreatcause2]

29. The Bush power grab

The Constitution killer, criminal warlord, supreme destroyer of America's greatness, hand maiden of the Saudi Royal Family, and rich bitch spoiled brat George Bush has ruined the world. The sad thing is, this baboon is getting away with it!

George Bush, words cannot describe my disgust for you. May history record your blood lust for power and multinational cronyism.

My hope is a diminished, but moral America shall arise from the ashes of the ovens America has been thrown into by George Bush.

[KoKo]

32. Well....there's definitely something "co-ordinated" going on....but

it might come down to "butt covering" because of mis-managed Globalism...which started out as a good idea but like everything...has turned into a bubble which is bursting...and the "Powers that Be" are scrambling as hard as they can to get control of what they have wrought. But, the "PTB" also are protecting their ill-gotten gains before the Peasants go after them with the pitchforks.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

35. You touch on a good point...

... in that globalism, in and of itself, is not an evil concept, quite the contrary in my opinion.

Wiki's treatment of the term:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization


Here's a Clinton speech from Fall of '02 given in the UK where he speaks to the concept of globalism:

http://karlandkinggeorge.com/Clinton_Speech.html

---snip---

What does that tell you about the time in which we live? That whether you are British or American or some other nationality the number one task of the world today is to move from interdependence, which can be good and bad, to an integrated global community in which there is a shared future, shared responsibilities, shared prosperity and, most important, shared values; one that says, "Hey, these differences are interesting". It would be boring if we were all the same. Britain and America are more interesting countries than they were 30 years ago because they are more diverse, but the only way we can really live together is if we say that the celebration of our differences requires us to say that our common humanity matters more.

There are a lot of obstacles in the road towards that kind of world. There are terrorists, there are tyrants, there are weapons of mass destruction, there are all these people who are not part of our prosperity and there are a lot of people on our side who think that we can for ever claim for ourselves what we deny to others; there are a lot of obstacles in the way. But let us be realistic; none of you believe that we will ever be completely defeated by terrorists. We will not allow ourselves to be defeated by tyrants with weapons of mass destruction; that will not happen. But we could reduce the future that we can build for our children if we respond to the challenges in the wrong way.

Whatever we do, we have to have a care for the security of our nation, the character of our people and the future of our children. We must respond in a way that is consistent with the larger obligation we all have to build a more integrated global community. It means, among other things, of course we have to fight terrorists but we also have to build a world with more partners and fewer terrorists. Of course we have to stand against weapons of mass destruction but if we can we have to do it in the context of building the international institutions that in the end we will have to depend upon to guarantee the peace and security of the world and the human rights of all people everywhere . . .

---------------------------------

I don't doubt that some of the Bilderberg attendees sincerely share and embrace Clinton's concept of globalism.

[KoKo]

47. Yes...I think that's why they are holding on to what they thought was good about it...the

nobel intentions. Just like the Neo-Cons who thought invading Iraq would stabilize the ME and make Israel safe are digging their hole deeper and deepr as the disaster widens. Some of them so unable to see their failure they want to bomb Iraq and Syria because they couldn't achieve what they hoped for in the ME. Failed Idealists...who can't see that Globilization came at a terrible price and had very unintended consequences but they have to keep passing more and more "free trade bills" hoping one of them will save their failed policies. And, the Neo-Cons still managing to get air time for what by now has to be called another failure of idealistic militarism that they should have learned from Vietnam experience doesn't work.

"Imperial Idealism" where one imposes one's own group personal ideals on other folks and is determined that only one way is the path to go has crashed in failure. But, they can't get out...because to have failed is more than they can bear and would shatter their whole being and a multitude of high powered and well funded Think Tanks who have been working on these plans for decades.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

50. Here's Clinton's speech in it's entirety for anyone interested...

Part I: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour2002/story/0,,803561,00.html#article_continue

Part II: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour2002/story/0,12294,803564,00.html

[EstimatedProphet]

36. Or it might be that greedy people are motivated by greed.

And they overstepped their best interests because they are greedy.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

38. See post #31. nt.

[LeftishBrit]

43. I agree...

It happens over and over again, in governments and in private businesses. Unfortunately, in this case it involved a particularly powerful government, with some very nasty results to lots of people.

Even speaking as a citizen of another country that got itself dragged into the mess, I don't believe in this whole concept of 'New World Order' - it strikes me as coming from the same stable as the right-wing myths about the UN/ EU/ Communists/ vast Muslim conspiracy/ vast Jewish conspiracy/ little green men from Mars seeking to rule the world. Nasty greedy power-grabbing people tend to try and find allies who will be useful to them, and then dump them when they are no longer useful, claiming something on the lines that "We have always been at war with Eastasia". Alliances and enmities are fluid and changing - with regard to governments and other groups. The real danger to most of us is the opposite of being taken over by a gigantic NWO - that we will end up as literal or metaphorical 'collateral damage' in the rivalries between different and violently-opposed little powerful groups competing for even more power.

[Basileus Basileon]

37. No.

[rasputin1952]

39. Yes ,this nation is being purposely destroyed, and NO, there are

always ways to fight and regain our nation. Only those that willingly give up their Rights are the ones who will be dismayed when we turn this nation around.

No group, government or other entity can take Freedom away, the soon to be subjugated have to give them that power, give up their Rights, for "assimilation" to take place.

For me, and millions of others like me, that is not an option.

The first thing is to vote, the second is to maintain pressure upon those that are in office, and get rid of the ones that are facilitating this power-grab...the third, and arguably the most important, is to educate people as to the true nature of the neo-cons, and the groups that will follow them in the future. They must be exposed and their "power" be suppressed by any legal means available.

[Chulanowa]

40. I believe the deconstruction is intentional

But as part of some international conspiracy? No, afraid not. Fascists don't like to work together. Even the good ol' chums Hitler and Mussolini detested one another.

But it is a fascist plot. Entirely domestic, though.

First off, we have the generation of fear and the belief that the government - more specifically, a single party - can assuage that fear. We have terrorism piped into our homes 24/7. People in Boringville, Idaho are convinced that their Flatulence Festival is a prime target for Al-Qaeda. And only the republicans can save us.

Next we have the annihilation of the volunteer military. That is the goal of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, people. It's not oil (though that's a perk) and it's not a crusade (though that gets votes); it's a plot to eviscerate, literally, the United States armed forces. Do you think the lack of gear and training is just incompetence? Do you think lowering enlistment requirements is a sign of desperation? Do you believe the conditions of Walter Reed are accidental - fucked up, but accidental? No, no, and no. The purpose of these wars is to send American soldiers somewhere to die, get maimed, come back, hopefully die here, or be so damaged as to be inoperable.

What remains are the party loyalists - the crusaders - and the mercs loyal to the money of that party. These are the people who will be coming home with weapons and training and an agenda. There will not be a draft. That would be completely counter to the plan. They want fewer soldiers, not more, and a draft would have the side effect of pissing off an otherwise completely apathetic / supportive populace.

Gun rights will also be defended. The party will argue that Americans need guns, to fight tyranny and oppression and that citizens will serve as the last line of patriotic defense in a crisis. They'll joke behind their hands of "cleaning up" the liberals or Arabs or whoever, of course. The goal of this is to keep the loyalists loyal. When the mercs come home, the loyalists will be there to shake their hands. And the sensible ones who see exactly what is coming? They'll discover that their belief that their hunting rifles are the tide-turner in the war against oppression is a sick little lie. No private armory, even dozens of them, is going to stand up to a military force. The nation watches as these Red Dawners, labeled "terrorists" go down in a hail of gunfire. Then they'll go shopping.

Practices we;re used to - police brutality and taser-happiness, media control, detention camps, wiretapping, etc, will keep going. I don't think they'll even increase that much. The people will be lulled back into a stupor - the war is over, and the "troops" are home. nevermind that those troops are standing at the border - with their guns pointed inward. Or that those troops are now helping police break strikes and protests. After all we need defense on the borders, and we need public safety!

The purpose of all this? Not some grand global conspiracy being played in dimly-lit back rooms between heads of state. This is not Pelican Brief. No, the reality is far less glamourous. The Republicans just want to stay in charge, make money, nominate heirs, and then die. That's it, really. That's all this is about - partisan power. They're big planners but not big thinkers.

[Mike03]

41. It's not the primary motive, but the (obvious) consequence

of the selfishness, arrogance and greed that ARE the primary motive.

[Kansas Wyatt]

42. I have said it for a long time...

BushCo. is only the climax to what started years ago. The New Deal has been reversed, and turned against 'We The People.' Our government DOES NOT represent 'We The People' and is only an "official" branch of Corporate America.

[flashl]

45. Think about who owns U.S. Industries and how much

Foreign Ownership of US Domestic Industries

Foreign Ownership
of U.S. Industries

Sound recording industries .............. 97%
Commodity contracts dealing ............ 79%
Motion picture and sound recording industries 75%
Metal ore mining ....................... 65%
Motion picture and video industries .... 64%
Wineries and distilleries .............. 64%
Database, directory, and other publishers 63%
Book publishers ................................63%

---

Then it should be clear that the "we" do not include the average U.S. citizen. Our "government" is controlled by corporations, foreign corporations.

"Our" interest is NOT their interest.

[EstimatedProphet]

48. Why didn't you post all of it?

Why did you only post the 1/10th of the page that supports what you want to say?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

49. Self delete. nt.

[flashl]

59. Because there was a link for anyone interest. n/t

[judaspriestess]

51. any thoughts on the views of David Icke?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

52. I'm not all that familiar with his work -- do you have some thoughts on him?

[Basileus Basileon]

54. Here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

[Manifestor_of_Light]

55. www.davidicke.com

He talks about the NWO and the Illuminati, etc. and how they control the world.

Too much info on his website to condense. Go there and look around and read.

[Basileus Basileon]

60. Also, reptilian humanoids.

:crazy:

[scarletwoman]

58. There doesn't NEED to be a secret conspiracy, the state of the world has a very simple explanation.

The people with the most money and the baddest weapons run the world. And unfettered capitalism running amok simply cannot produce any other result but the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many.

The destructive results we are witnessing around us are inevitable because the system itself is destructive. It has the same degree of self-direction as a parasite or a cancerous tumor. It feeds and grows fat on the host until the host expires. Cancer cells do not grow because some secret power has organized them to a purpose. They simply grow because that is their nature.

Same with the wealthy and powerful who seek to own and control the entire world. It's simply in their nature to lust after wealth and power, and they will do as they wilt, until what they're doing stops working for them.

They're just hooked into a particular type of historical flow of the sort that happens in many realms -- such as art and technology, for example. The blossoming of French Impressionism was not a result of a secret cabal of artists plotting to establish a New Order, it simply unfolded organically from one step to the next.

The computer I'm typing on today didn't come into being as a result of the efforts of a secret cabal of scientists who spurred on Edison to invent the light bulb that they might set into motion their grand plan for draining the vital essences of American manhood by providing instaneous 24/7 access to porn.

Events and actions proceed one upon another. A step in one direction is taken, then more steps and yet more. Eventually it's a movement, feeding on its own momentum.

Until it reaches entropy.

sw

[Basileus Basileon]

61. Thank you. Conspiracy theories are unnecessary for

the state of the world. Under unrestrained capitalism, there does not need to be (nor can there even be) a puppeteer. The world unfolds in chaos; beautifully ordered when viewed from a distance yet unpredictable under a magnifying glass. Injustice and evil are not emitted by evil men; they are part and parcel of the current order.

[conspirator]

67. I would like to put an emphasis on the "baddest weapons". Military technology is what

dictates the structure of society. We all have invisible guns pointed at our heads at all times. That's what makes us "cooperate" with this unfair society. That's why they don't want Iran to have nukes.

[tom_paine]

66. It may be too late to stop it, but resistance is NEVER futile

Remember that in the decaders to come.

Remember the Founding Fathers.

Remember the Warsaw Ghetto uprising against the German Bushies.

Never forget any of it, anywhere freedom has struggled against tyranny, whether successful or unsuccessful.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

69. Point taken and well said...

... For the oppressed to give up altogether on resistance in some form or fashion simply because there do not appear to be effective near term resistance tools/tactics at the ready, is to make a fatal mistake -- it is to lose hope -- and that's something we must never allow ourselves to do.

Thank you for that reminder -- it is truly important.

[morningglory]

68. As the Repug Real Estate paperwork drudge said when we almost lost our home,

and were able to sell it (whew!) and I commented "this always happens when the Republics get into power." "It's just the cycle, honey." Yeah, the cycle to take your money and get it into my pocket! And I work for a living, I don't just play with other people's money.