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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:54 PM
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I just saw Alberto Gonzales live and in the flesh (dial-up warning)
Alberto Gonzales spoke tonight at the University of Florida. I'll spare you the details of his speech and give you a summary: it was a forty-minute lecture full of meaningless platitudes and sounded like it was intended as a civics lesson for grade-schoolers. He was not received well. The crowd was extremely hostile and he was interrupted many times by protesters who charged the stage with banners and/or were dressed in Abu Ghraib regalia. Gonzo was unflappable and continued on like a grinning idiot. There were several arrests and I would not be surprised if footage makes the national news tonight. Nearly every phrase he uttered was an invitation for hecklers. Without irony, he spoke of the rule of law, the US's adherence to the Geneva Conventions, equal justice, DOJ's blindness to ideology, etc. Many in the crowd wore yellow t-shirts emblazoned with the word "SHAME" on the back and stood facing backward for the entire presentation. Dispensing with the typical Q&A, it was announced that Gonzo would only respond to questions that were written on an index card and placed in a special box. I put a few questions in there myself and looked at many of the other questions, as well. Most of them were along the lines of "How do you sleep at night?" or "Have you no shame?" When it came time for the Q&A, the moderator dug through the box and was able to find maybe three or four questions that he'd ask. They were the kinds of questions you'd expect a loyal Bushie to handle -- "Who is your idol?" "How does it feel to be the first Hispanic Atty. General?" Hard-hitting stuff.

Here's my summary of the night's events: Gonzales raised $40,000 for his defense fund by standing in a metaphorical carnival dunking-booth for 40 minutes. Good riddance.

Here are some pics, most snapped in low light from a clandestine position (pictures weren't allowed).







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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:56 PM
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1. Wow - thanks for this!
Glad to see those students standing up for our Constitution.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:59 PM
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5. Even I was surprised
Gainesville is a very liberal town in the middle of a very red state. I expected there to be a roughly even split between pro- and anti-Gonzo forces. Not even close. I'd say it was 90% against, 5% for, and a few who didn't really know what was going on. I'm about to head out to the Alachua County Detention Center to show support for the protesters who got arrested and maybe help raise a little bail.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:56 PM
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2. Great Stuff! Thanks!
That bastard should be stalked the rest of his life.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:32 PM
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119. Isn't it wonderful!...
a university wasting college tuitions to pay for this worthless criminal...shameful!
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #119
143. No biggie.
They'll just get it from you next term in your student fees. :patriot:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #119
144. It sure is!
He will never grace the hallowed halls of the University of Maryland, George Washington, American, Howard (he'd be laughed off the yard in a heartbeat!), or West Virginia. He would be better off speaking at a community college or an elementary school. It's a sad thing indeed.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:57 PM
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3. Who's the idiot
that jumped on stage in a mask?
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:00 PM
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6. A real patriot. (n/t)
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
27. A "real" patriot who
wants to stomp out free speech? How would you react if a RW nut did a similar thing to a liberal speaker?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
52. Last time I checked, liberals speak truth.
Gonzo has every right to speak lies, as do we to point out those lies. Free speech works both ways.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #27
99. bullshit. this man deserve protest....the protester has free speech also
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progpen Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:38 PM
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125. "How would you react if a RW nut did a similar thing to a liberal speaker?"
Happens often. Too often to count. That this is happening to "Gulag Gonzo" is karma. Let the little fuckwad squirm up on stage. His freedom of speech has trumped ours for far too long. If that is the worst that happens to him then there is no justice in this country.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:49 PM
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131. He's trying to stomp out Gonzo's audacity to "lecture" about this country's values.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #27
147. Gonzo can speak his mind from his cell
Once he is convicted of purjuring his oath of office, commission of war crimes, and conspiracy to undermine free elections.

He should never be given a scholarly platform.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #3
14. Why are you calling him an idiot?
I have to know.

WTF are you talking about?
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:21 PM
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25. Because this IDIOTIC
reaction makes him look like a loon. You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar. At least in the publics mind. You may get a certain gratification from this, but it doesn't play in Peoria. He's hurting his cause. I've got to go get my wash out of the laundry facility. Back in a few.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:30 PM
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30. It is not a reaction. It is a statement.
Here's the deal: When we started torturing people, we crossed a line. We have become what we say we abhor. This protester is a patriot. He is speaking truth to power. He is very brave, and he is no idiot. If there are dumb-asses in Peoria that are too stupid to figure this stuff out, then fuck 'em.

This is the perfect reception for that scumbag torturer.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #30
44. Well that is an ingenious way
to gain votes. And places like Peoria do matter in the grand scheme. You say fuck'em, well then you're saying that to a lot of damn people. Where is the Democratic Party the weakest? Think about it and maybe you'll reconsider your fuck Peoria attitude. BTW, I don't live in Peoria.:think:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:25 PM
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49. The protester in question is not running for office (that I know of)
He made a valid statement in protest of a known war criminal.

Every action that occurs on the planet is not necessarily part of someone's political campaign.



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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. You must agree
that a well constructed and very well edited ad by the Republicans could make this look bad.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Nope. Most in this country are against everything this man represents.
This type of Republican ad would probably help the Democrats.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:50 PM
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65. Why?
It points out that a corrupted U.S. Attorney General has approved of torture, which is illegal under U.S. law, as well as The Geneva Conventions. He disgraced his office. He is a fucking asshole and a traitor.

This country has a long and proud history of dissent. It was founded upon it. I can't believe you cannot appreciate a little political protest/theater without fretting about what the 28%ers will think about it.

Heh! Fuck 'em!

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #56
69. LOL
the repukes aren't about to advertise to the country how much they support torture
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #69
105. LOL here too.. As if any repuke would use AG in a commercial
AG is much more radioactive than even Bush and The Dick.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #56
79. So everything for you is political
no wonder nobody IN POWER (with a few exceptions) wants to hold these murderers and assasins accountable.

What will they say in Peoria?
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #56
104. I'm Afraid to speak or act because the republicans might make it look bad
Then they've alreadyt won.
Throw up your hands and give up.

(Are you by chance a democratic congressional rep?)
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #56
108. Why do you care so much about what the Repukes think/might do?
FUCK 'EM!
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progpen Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #56
127. "a well constructed and very well edited ad by the Republicans could make"
Jesus look bad. The Repug spin machine will make ANYTHING NOT REPUG look bad. That is who they are. That is what they do.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #56
137. Republicans aren't going to bother defending Mr. 9%.
9% was Gonzo's approval rating before he resigned.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #56
142. How?
I like to see myself at making fun of other people and making them look bad.

But I can't imagine how Republicans could turn this into a commercial against us. At least an effective one.

Why don't you storyboard it for us?
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #49
103. If protestor were running for office
I'd sure vote for him!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #49
114. Precisely!
Not everyone wants to tiptoe around gonza and give him speaking engagements to spew his lies.

The UofF set themselves up for this..I'm surprised they wasn't a stonger protest..gonz would have been hailed at bob jones brainwashing u.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:01 AM
Response to Reply #44
84. so how the hell do you know how it will *play* in Peoria?
The Dems have been using that *honey* analogy of yours - and haven't come up with diddley-squat. That's a FALSE analogy, used by cowards.

Those kids had the right to protest, and I'm glad they did. We're not going to change this country until people stop worrying about *looking silly* and start opening their mouths and getting their message heard.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #44
151. So we turn a blind eye to gross criminal behavior, just to play nice?
What moral courage. :sarcasm:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. B U L L S H I T
that masked man represented repuke policies IN THE FLESH
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #32
45. I'm in awe.
I must bow down before such a brilliant response.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #45
54. You should be.
Since from your posts you clearly don't possess the moral outrage that these patriots exhibited.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. Do you want to
win the Whitehouse? The House? The Senate? THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO WIN VOTERS! For crying out loud, think. Yeah, you may get your rocks off on this kind of childish display, but it will only hurt in the long run.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. Like I said, three quarters of this country agree with these protesters.
So, yeah, I think that would win the White House and Congress.
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DanG2012 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #66
134. At LEAST !!
3/4 are (now) opposed to the f*ckup, err, war in iraq...

some of us have been there since day one.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #134
139. Welcome to DU DanG!
:headbang: :yourock:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #61
67. oh yes
let's cowtow to the average fascist repuke voter who get their panties in a wad over free expression while cheerleading war all the way
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #61
80. Hey boss should we go at that ship in the harbor?
nope, what will King George say?

Damn it, if your atitude was common all over... oh wait this is the kind of cowardice we are seeing in Congress
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #61
82. What makes you the expert on winning voters? There are plenty of voters here who are won over. n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #61
106. Childish display?
Which children are you talking about? The children that are still being tortured in American run prisons?

This protest is deadly serious and about as adult as it gets. I really think you need to step back, take a breath and read what you have been writing in this thread in the context of BushCo reality.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #61
112. So you wouldn't have done it. What's your point??? eom
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #61
118. Jesus H. Christ
you and others like you need to recognize, tho I thought you surely would by now, that TORTURE IS A WAR CRIME. GONZALES "LEGALIZED" TORTURE. To enable this practice to go unprotested and unremarked, for some in this nation, is morally reprehensible and impossible to do because our consciences recognize the atrocity of this act.

The Bush administration still refuses to accept that they arrested and rendered for torture an innocent Canadian citizen, even after Canada conducted a two year study and awarded the man millions in damages simply by their act of ALLOWING the Bush administration to torture this man.

This is not about politics in those terms.

MaybeI'm nearer to Peoria than you are, so let me tell you that people on the right and left are horrified by this administration, and by Congress' refusal to hold them accountable for their criminal actions. For now, my consolation is in knowing that they are liable for charges of war crimes for the rest of their lives.

So, your posts decrying this action as "not good politics" reek of the worst in this society for many of us.

Some of us cannot apply "moral relativity" to the issue of torture and think that if this nation is so corrupt that it cannot face its war criminals, then we are in a sad place and no political party will stop this decay by politics as usual.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #118
121. bravo. Well put. I wholeheartedly agree.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #61
145. Stop it. You are costing us votes right now.
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 05:33 PM by D23MIURG23
The millions of Republicans and "centrists" who read this forum are going to think that liberals are as shallow and myopic as your arguements. How will that help us convince them to vote for our candidates?

Come on man, think! This response is not going to play in Omaha Nebraska.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. Desperate times call for desperate measures
Gonzales is not a run-of-the-mill criminal. Arch-criminals like Gonzo demand an extraordinary response and, given the severity of his transgressions, I would say that the "greeting" he received was subdued compared to what he deserves. This is not a time for worrying about how events will play in Peoria; this man is the living embodiment, the apotheosis, even, of what BushCo has done to our country, our constitution, and our character as a nation.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. You said it way better than I could. I'm thinking "flies?" "honey?" Fuck that. n/t
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #25
48. Well, I'm from Peoria
and it doesn't offend me at all...

Just sayin'.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #48
113. I'm not that far from Peoria.
And Illinois is proudly blue.

Isn't Peoria in one of the blue parts of the state, too?

IIRC, that expression about how things will play in Peoria was a repuke creation. Peorians were offended by it.

From what I can see in the area surrounding Peoria, people are pretty fed up with repukes in general. Many traditional republicans will be voting for Democrats for the first time in their lives.

It's not hard to understand why our true-blue allies in the South get offended by the Dumfuckistan label. Stop the crap about Peoria.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #48
156. It's an expression
Meaning the average person from the electorate.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #25
57. You catch more flies with shit than you do with honey
That statement is not only more accurate, it's apropos.

Don't look now, but you just got pwned by a Peorian.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:56 PM
Original message
It's a friggin expression.
Meaning the average person from the electorate.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:08 AM
Response to Original message
73. I notice you didn't reply to her.
This amuses me.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #73
158. I have now.
Are you unamused?:eyes:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:28 AM
Response to Reply #158
162. Not at all.
It took you all day to come up with that? :rofl:
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #25
100. We're long past the point of honey
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 10:29 AM by Hardhead
Are you one of those dry powder types?

"Buffy! These protesters! They're not very polite!"
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progpen Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #100
129. "Buffy! These protesters! They're not very polite!"
I had to giggle over that one. So very true, especially regarding the Dem leadership, who has been so busy turning the other cheek, the Repugs' hands are getting sore.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
135. "He's hurting his cause."
God it's like a broken record.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
136. It is a non-violent protest at a college campus, they aren't suppose
to be winning over voters, they are suppose to be raising awareness. Which they are doing quite well.

If you think the repug's would put Gonzo in an ad you are out of your mind.

I see posts like this pop up now and then. What get's me about people like you is all the assumptions you are making, assumptions the media has helped promote. One, you assume the protesters some how represent the Democratic party and any protest makes the Democratic party look bad. Two, you think the electorate is like you in thinking this behavior is from Democrat's and somehow done to promote Democrats. Which it isn't it is for awareness not promotion of a political cause or party. The media has you brain washed in to thinking every event has a political meaning, when some of them are actually just for good ole fashioned truth and justice awareness.

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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #25
152. I understand that there are times when that case could be made
But not concerning Gonzo. They hate him just as bad in Peoria. The only people who would possibly stand up for Gonalez at this point are those magical 20-30%, and nobody gives a fuck what they think anymore.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #25
163. wow--thanks for your "concern"
-- and I have to wonder who the REAL "idiot" is here.

I'm sure had you been in attendance, you would have done your best to disassociate yourself from the unruly riff-raff who had the audacity to interrupt a traitorous war criminal's "speech" and would have applauded politely at all the mundanely, tritely correct moments. Probably would have waited your turn afterward to shake his hand and thank him for his wonderful service to our country, just to look all "proper" and everything to "the people in Peoria."

Then you could go home knowing you'd done the right thing for "our cause."

sheesh. I would have to say it's milquetoast, superficially "correct" people like you who do the real damage to "our cause." People who don't know when it's time for a revolution. Who by their properness maintain the status quo and give tacit approval to war crimes, genocide, torture, corruption, etc etc ad nauseum.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #3
15. too bad he didn't have a nice, big, whipped cream pie...
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. you should post this on dailykos too
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #15
50. A rounding applause
and standing ovation. You just solved it all. Let's alienate the electorate. Pure genius I tell you, pure genius.

Do you want to win the next election? Or do you just want to feel good because, in your simple mind, you "stuck it to the man"?

This kind of attitude will put a Republican in the Whitehouse in 2009.

Think people! Think!
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. Three quarters of this country are against this war.
If there's anyone who should be thinking it should be you.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. I'm against the war as well.
So what's your point?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. If you have attended any of the anti-war marches
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:54 PM by JackBeck
you'd know where the general consensus is leaning.

On Edit: We're not the ones who are alienating the masses.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:04 AM
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71. OK JackBeck
What if someone charged Lincoln's stage, or a member of his administration, with a Habeas Corpus sign? What would you think then?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:14 AM
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74. I would think that about 150 years ago The Supreme Court
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 12:20 AM by JackBeck
would have already set Lincoln straight about suspending Habeas Corpus.

And that those who are protesting are well aware of which side the Supreme Court would rule in our current political environment.

But then again, given that the internet and digital cameras didn't exist when Lincoln was President, are you able to claim with 100% certainty that someone didn't charge "Lincoln's stage, or a member of his administration, with a Habeas Corpus sign?"
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #74
154. I can't say with 100% odds.
Can you say 100% that someone did? No, I didn't think so. Therefore your argument is a moot point.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #154
159. You were the one that created an argument for me to refute.
Therefore, my response to you cannot be moot, since I was responding to your initial statement.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #159
160. Begging your pardon
but that anecdotal example is unrealistic, don't you think?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #160
161. If you mean your Lincoln example being unrealistic to the Gonzales discussion
Then you are correct. Your anecdotal example is unrealistic.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #71
81. You do realize that Lincoln was facing impeachment if there wasn't this matter about
the Ford Theater?

Oh never mind
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #81
155. Impeachment?
I'm not aware of this. Do you have a link?

Thanks.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
153. When did
Bob Shrum start posting on DU? You know, the Bob Shrum who advised Kerry to ignore the Swift boat attacks by liars for the GOP.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #3
35. uh, yeah......
whatever.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:17 PM
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46. uh, yeah
whatever....:eyes:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:37 PM
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53. That would be Alberto, wearing a mask of 'respectability' when he is actually a thug.
What, you don't LIKE the CONSTITUTION?????
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:40 PM
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146. F*ing - A
:headbang:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:57 AM
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78. An American Hero. n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:08 AM
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86. EXCELLENT!
:yourock:
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:37 AM
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91. An IDIOT??????????
Why the name calling? I wonder what would promt you to say something like that on DU? Hummmmm
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:22 PM
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138. My first question, as well.
MKJ
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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:46 AM
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93. Someone who was brave enough
to put his beliefs into action, face certain arrest, and step out of the shadows and fear of offending the sheep, as apposed to another typing 2000 plus anonymous poster on a message board who risks nothing ever, while pretending to be progressive!
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:50 AM
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95. Who are all those idiots who dressed up as Indians
and dumped all that tea in Boston Harbor? :shrug:
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:00 PM
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133. Best. Response. Ever. n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:32 PM
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120. Someone who doesn't live life on their knees.
Proven torture advocate Alberto Gonzalez isn't entitled to his own facts, BTW.

. . . and we now have Cabal apologists "in our party". Absolutely astounding beyond comprehension.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:33 PM
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130. someone who's protecting your right to be an asshole
but I'm sure you won't even remember your idiot remarks supporting right wing fascists when they come to bag and gag you.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:46 PM
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141. Alberto Gonzalez.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:58 PM
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4. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:thumbsup:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:00 PM
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7. The one thing these authoritarian-types want that they'll never get from us is
respect.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:01 PM
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8. Hell yeah! Call the traitor what he is!
May he never enter the public without being heaped with scorn!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:01 PM
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9. For the rest of their lives.
They'll get rich rich rich off of their crimes, but when they step into public, this is what they should expect.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:14 PM
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24. This, and horrible stuff in their soup!
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 10:14 PM by annabanana
They should be spat upon in every thoroughfare and byway!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:50 PM
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62. I almost said...
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 11:51 PM by onehandle
If I were them, I'd avoid restaurants forever. I imagine they will never be served an untainted dish again.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:01 PM
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10. He and the rest of them will suffer through anything for money.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:21 PM
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26. You couldn't get them in the infantry for all the money in the world.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 10:22 PM by tabasco
They will do anything except place themselves in personal danger.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:02 PM
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11. K&R #2, for, the a-hole has the SHAMELESSNES to appear anywhere?!1
If only some JUSTICE system will get him the jail time (plus CASH penalty) that he deserves.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:02 PM
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12. EFFIN AWESOME!
Top notch!

Thanks so much for these great pics!
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:06 PM
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13. Excellent work protesters, and excellent report!! Front page this!!!!!!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:11 PM
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16. OMG... you so ROCK.. this is amazing and embarassing,
in a freakish sort of way. What a horrible, horrible fate he has prescribed for himself ! How could any man (or woman) live like this? To know everyday you have to go out and try to make a living, or raise money, by subjecting yourself to total humiliation. How apropos, given what he did, what he condoned, what he covered up. A karmic kind of destiny for him - to walk the same steps he made others walk.

But still..would it not have been better, as a father/husband/man/human being, to just FESS THE FUCK UP and tell the freakin TRUTH?!! What power this corrupt regime has to reduce a man, another human being, to this point.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:12 PM
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18. Good for them!
In today's climate, what those students did took real courage.

Full criminal investigations and prosecution of Gonzalez and all this maladminstration's neocon terrorists must be pursued by a Democratic President and Congress.

They must never be allowed to feel safe again, no matter where they go, until they're locked up for life.

Bravo, UF students!

:applause:



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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:12 PM
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19. Thanks TS - great job
No pictures -- what the hell is that about? Oh well, $40K ain't gonna mean jack when they take him away for war crimes.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:12 PM
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20. The man really has titanium huevos, doesn't he?
Did he really expect to be showered with bouquets of flowers?

Maybe he's just on a high coming off his recent speech to that Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and was deluded enough to think it was the real world.

Very glad to see he got a reminder.

:thumbsup:
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:14 PM
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23. either that or he his a clueless, delusional fool
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:18 PM
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47. I wonder about the "people" who fall under W's spell...
Josh Bolten, Harriet Miers, Abu G. What the fuck is it with these people?
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:13 PM
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21. No cameras allowed? I wonder why that was so.
Good job staying hidden. Hound the mofo whereever he goes. He's scum.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:13 PM
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22. how dare Abu wear the flag - he's unfit
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:25 PM
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28. Dogs of Justice, hound him to the Bitter End!!!
Hooray for the University of Florida!!!

Damn, this does my soul good to see.

Exactly the way I hoped to see him received.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:28 PM
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29. Well, well, the spirit of protest may be back at US Universtities
thank you
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:32 PM
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31. my appreciation to those young folks
knows no bounds - kudos to them for standing up for America :thumbsup:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:33 PM
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33. Satan no likey brave patriots! Uh oh!
:patriot:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:45 PM
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36. "snapped in low light from a clandestine position (pictures weren't allowed)."
THANK YOU for doing this.

THANK YOU for showing what is 'not allowed to be shown or seen'.

THANK ALL who re-enacted and put forth the truth of what they don't want to be seen.

THANK YOU to those who stood so rudely on stage to depict the truth, to those who clandestinely recorded it and posted it for all to see, despite their rules to prohibit truthtelling.

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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:01 PM
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39. About the "no cameras allowed" business...
The staff at the Phillips Center for the Performing Arts were very, very cool. They made what could be generously called a half-hearted attempt to suppress photography. You could tell that they were trying to follow orders that they thought were silly. One of the ushers came up to me and said "They told me no photos are allowed. It's their rule, not mine," and winked at me.

The whole thing really was quite a spectacle. It seemed for a few minutes that the show wouldn't go on, so heated were the protests. I think that would have been a shame and would have fed into the Coulter-esque mantra that liberals can't tolerate free speech. It seems that the police and security staff learned something from the "Don't tase me, bro" episode, which happened here at the University of Florida.

Oh yeah -- one more thing. Gonzales is a terrible, terrible speaker. He's every bit the tongue-tied twit he portrayed in front of Congress.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:10 PM
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43. Gonzales is a hype -- If he didn't know Bush he'd be pleading parking tickets.
Al that bullshit about him being a brilliant lawyer. He's just another typical Bush incompetent.

--IMM
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:49 PM
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37. I don't want to hear bad shit about today's youth
I am very proud of our kids today!
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:54 PM
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38. Big thank you for this!
Go Gators! :applause:
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:01 PM
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40. Just doing my job
But Go Gators, indeed.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:05 PM
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42. Wow. What happened to the "free speech zones"? Haha.
That appears to be a total hay day for protestors.

GREAT!

Although it will have little to no effect on a creature without a soul. It's still not Nazi Germany. They aren't going to execute the protesters tonight. But it's too damned close for comfort.

I hate saying this, but it's too bad we can't take the law into our own hands. We could put this nightmare to an end a hell of a lot quicker than it's going to take.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:30 PM
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51. Isn't that an obvious cell phone in the front row in pics 3 & 4? "No cameras"?
There are things I don't like about the ubiquity of cell phones, but breaking the bubble around crooked political cronies isn't one of them.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:43 PM
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59. See post #39 (n/t)
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:40 PM
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55. He got the reception we all hoped he would
Thank you, U of FL, and turbo_satan for sharing this with us!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:50 PM
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64. looks like he's having a rough go of it...good!
bush's personal attorney speaking at a university inside his brother's state = too predictable
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:56 PM
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70. GREAT!
Good deal! Glad this happened! It's about time someone showed this Bush wanker up close and personal what the real world thinks.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:06 AM
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72. Who invited him, do you know? Which group on campus.
?
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:38 AM
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75. ACCENT, the speakers' bureau
I've got no problem with the invitation. ACCENT has traditionally brought controversial speakers to town. They've had speakers from the Left that drove the wing-nuts crazy. Granted, none of those speakers were war criminals...
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:55 AM
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76. They don't even like him in Jebland
sweet
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:35 AM
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77. ..."a metaphorical carnival dunking booth..." Good line! Have you considered a career in journalism?
Thanks for the report and the photos. It sounds like the audience provided all the entertainment -- and good for them.

Hekate

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 05:10 AM
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83. Bravo UF students
Great pix.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:57 AM
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85. Great report, thank you! What was this school thinking even hiring him?
I'm really happy to hear the students know what's up with this criminal and acted accordingly. :thumbsup:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:09 AM
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87. Excellent work! But how did you restrain yourself for 40 minutes?
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:08 AM
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96. It wasn't easy.
I'm normally a very restrained person, but I was filled with a visceral rage -- just from being in the same room as the man -- that I hadn't felt before. Luckily, many others felt the same way. Once the ice was broken and the first of the protesters started acting up (which took all of a few seconds after Gonzales was introduced), I felt free to add my voice to the growing din. It was actually quite cathartic. I realize that technically, this was rude. But as I said before, desperate times call for desperate measures and all that...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:14 PM
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117. You are
Awesome to get this out to us! I didn't realize until I read the posts that there were no camera's allowed..this is treasurable to see gonza confronted on stage with his war crimes and crimes against humanity!

Thank you, turbo!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:22 AM
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88. Fantastic Report! This War Criminal getting what he deserves....
He might have gotten the money for his "legal defense"...but it didn't come without the accountability to 'The People.' :applause: to you and the students at U of FLA for standing up in his face and calling him out on his crimes!

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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:14 AM
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97. The beautiful thing is...
... this was just the START of his speaking tour. Something tells me he'll be greeted the same way everywhere he goes.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:27 AM
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89. Thanks for the information--who the hell is paying him 40K? Yikes!
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:29 AM
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90. Great
That certainly will stay with him.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:43 AM
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92. Thank you...
There are no words....GREAT Job
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:46 AM
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94. Great Pictures
I am proud of you and your fellow students.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:21 AM
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98. was alberto demonstrating his torture techniques or was that a protester
way to go ya'll
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SharkSquid Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:30 AM
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101. Go Gators
:) Glad to see the party still continues at my alma mater.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:40 AM
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102. Thanks for posting this!
:kick:
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:59 AM
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107. True patriots.
Thanks so much for the best post of the day!!

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:26 AM
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109. I Hope These Criminals are Publicly Demeaned to the End of their Days
And I hope it's intensified.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:37 AM
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110. Will Shrub do public speeches AFTER he's out of office?
If so, will the audience still be screened and censored and planted?

Could we ever look forward to a day that we see pictures like this with SHRUB at the podium, or Cheney, et al??
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:38 AM
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111. Ugh, I would have to take a looong shower after sitting through that crap.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:05 PM
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115. Thanks for posting the photos!
:patriot:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:07 PM
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116. God Bless the Protester!!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:09 PM
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122. UF Rocks!
gonzalez has no shame!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:12 PM
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123. When I first saw the UF on the podium I could only think of one thing....
"Gonzo, you fuck."
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:34 PM
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124. "You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar." Didn't work for Pelosi,
did it? She took impeachment off the table before the food was served, so it
wouldn't spoil the meal - and look what it got us. Nothing!

Look at Harry Reid. It came out this week how many oral agreements he's made
with Bush that weren't worth the paper they were written on. Now he comes clean
about all the little deals he's made with Bush, and what did it get him? Nothing!

That saying may be true under normal conditions, but I don't think it applies when
you're dealing with criminals and murderers (a/k/a Republicans).
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:39 PM
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126. Good job! Thanks for posting
But please, please be careful kids, when you do this stuff. As much as we oppose the war and the Bush administration, we don't want anyone getting hurt or put in jail for a long time.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:46 PM
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128. I must say I am encouraged
Protest on a college campus!! We have to get the young people mobilized in order to bring these criminals down. Great work, kids. Let's hope this attitude spreads like wildfire.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:57 PM
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132. I'd like to nominate these pictures for the first annual DU-litzer awards.
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 03:07 PM by 8_year_nightmare
I applaud these student protesters who can recognize audacity when they see it. Gonzo "lecturing" about the Constitution is very comparable to this:



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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:40 PM
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140. Did anyone get Tasered?
seems to be quite a bit of that going on over there...
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 06:19 PM
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148. They let anyone in Florida.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:32 PM
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149. K & R Great stuff thanks for posting. nt.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:06 PM
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150. It's on Obermann Now!
Coming right up! Yes!!!
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:33 PM
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157. Thanks for posting. Glad to see that the UF students are gutsy enough to
protest the egregious crimes committed by Gonzo, et al.
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