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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:51 PM
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Next on Lou Dobbs: A report on the two border agents imprisoned by our government
He mentioned more coverup involving our government and he wants to know why. From the facts that I have read on this case, those two agents were convicted and rightfully so. But Lou Dobbs has some questions on it. Did the republicans in congress lobby Dobbs to keep this story out there?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:54 PM
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1. but Mr. Dobbs considers them to be causalities of a war.

Just look at the title of his book, I'm sure he will say "In a war you have shoot, and kill."

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:32 PM
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You don't like Dobbs because he rails against "free" trade
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:55 PM
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2. Basically...
Dobbs is calling for Mexicans to be shot.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:22 PM
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9. No, Mexican drug smugglers who flee from arrest to be shot.
That's still wrong and illegal, but let's be clear here.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:25 PM
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14. It's also illegal to shoot people and cover it up.
But Dobbs is apparently fine with that as long as they're Mexican.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:30 PM
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16. No, he's angry that it's a Mexican drug smuggler.
Of course, I wonder if this had just been an ordinary person crossing the border and they'd had the same circumstances, if Mr. Dobbs would support the agents.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:32 PM
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18. Because he cares so much about law and order, right?
Bullshit.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:33 PM
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22. No, law and order is the consistent rule of law...
and Mr. Dobbs seems willing to bend the rule of law when it comes to people in positions of power, whether it's Scooter Libby or these agents.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:26 PM
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15. So if it is okay to shoot Mexican drug dealers who flee,
then how long till it is okay for cops to shoot other people, like say my kid, when the cop thinks he has done something wrong?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:32 PM
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19. How long? Well, it depends on what your punk kid's been up to...
:P

I'm just trying to make sure everyone knows the facts of the case, I have posted about this before and I'm against what the border agents did. If you don't believe me, just check it out for yourself.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:36 PM
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24. oh I believe you
and I think we agree
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:37 PM
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25. And not only that, but Dobbs' has neglected to mention that these assholes...
could have arrested the drug smuggler, but instead of doing their jobs, they shot him and fled the scene.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:13 PM
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3. Dobbs is a blowhard, but we should stay open to the possibilities here
Suppose that Gonzales did decide, through this prosecutor who was a bush-bot, to wrongly convict these border patrols to send a message, ie, to protect a drug-smuggling ring. Gonzales and Bush involved in drug smuggling... hmmm. It's possible, yes? So, I'm interested to see what kind of evidence Dobbs can dig up as to whether or not this case was properly handled. If this is what it takes for the GOPers to consider impeachment, well....
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:15 PM
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4. No, Dobbs is blinded w/hatred of immigrants.
Therefore, he thinks anyone accused of killing an immigrant can't be all bad.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:31 PM
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17. No, he doesn't like illegal immigrants. There is a difference.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:32 PM
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20. Eh.
Dobbs doesn't really bother to distinguish most of the time.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:32 PM
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21. and he thinks it's okay to shoot them in the back
especially if they are dealing drugs

got it thanks
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:35 PM
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23. Actually, dealing and smuggling are different things.
And I do think that's implied in his outrage in this case. Where's the outrage in shooting an unarmed man when his back was turned to the officers? Where's the outrage in those two covering it up?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:37 PM
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26. Good point
There was a case here in KC a few years ago where a 13 yr old kid stole a car and the cops chased him and shot him. He died. Then the cops claimed he had a massive quantity of cocaine in the car.

Kid's family sued and won.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:18 PM
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5. Yes what is the deal with this story?
When I read it, I got the impression that these guys had shot the bad guys in the back, which is not good. I also am gathering that they are being defended because the bad guys were illegal immigrants and drug dealers. Well, sorry, I don't like the idea of cops shooting anyone, much less in the back.

Am I not understanding the story?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:19 PM
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6. You got it.
They also covered up the story.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:20 PM
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7. Who covered up what?
Sorry but I haven't paid that much attention to the details.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:22 PM
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10. The border agents.
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 06:23 PM by Bornaginhooligan
They neglect to report the shooting and fill out the proper paperwork.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:23 PM
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12. So they felt guilty
hmmm
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:21 PM
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8. Did the drug dealers die?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:22 PM
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11. I believe he survived.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:24 PM
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13. Thanks for answering my questions
:hi:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:05 PM
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27. LOL I just asked a freeper on another board if he thinks it's okay for cops to
shoot people in the back and here is what he said:

"Nope.They shot him in the butt cheek.It entered one side and stopped in the other.So he was shot from the side.Personally I wouldn't care if they shot him in the back and then put a gun to his head and blew it off.It wouldn't bother me in the least and it would send a messege.Illegals don't come here."

So let's get this straight - it wasn't the back, it was the side of his butt cheek. LOL
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:20 PM
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28. Dobbs also is asking ...
why the Democrats aren't jumping on the bandwagon with the Republicons...They will be building up this controversy in the next few weeks or months...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:57 PM
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29. Did he? That figures he would politicize this case.
Does Dobbs know that the two agents are Mexican-Americans? If he did, he probably wouldn't be strongly supporting them.
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