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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:54 PM
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Holocaust denier Hutton Gibson endorses Ron Paul

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/11/14/paul-picks-up-... /

Hutton Gibson, father of actor Mel Gibson, has endorsed Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) for president. I intend to tell my 10 children and my 48 grandchildren that the only way to save the country is to vote for Ron Paul in 2008, says Gibson, who appears in the video endorsement sitting on a sofa wearing a Legalize Freedom t-shirt.

Gibsons endorsement is featured on www.voteronpaul.com, an unaffiliated website promoting Pauls candidacy. Campaigns like endorsements from notable people, but Gibsons notoriety leans toward the controversial side and like son, like father has stirred up a storm or two.

Aside from being Mels dad, the 89-year-old World War II vet is best known for statements hes made questioning the Holocaust and advocating for a stricter form of Catholicism. Other video endorsements featured on the site include those of the former mayor of Middleburgh, N.Y., Gary Hayes, and businessman and financial analyst Peter Schiff.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:58 PM
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1. Wow, between that and the stormfront.org endorsement, he's got the far-right-nutter vote sewn up!
Nice job, Ron! :thumbsup:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:58 PM
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2. Libertarian Ron Paul is beginning to smell like a dead fish on the shore
...his words are also beginning to sound like a scratched record and a flawed CD
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:00 PM
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3. All a candidate needs...
is an endorsement from Mel Gibson's fruitcake father.

Well, Ron Paul deserves it!
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Rabo Karabekian Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:08 PM
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4. His Base
We already knew the tinfoil hatters liked him.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:13 PM
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5. Reagan accepted the KKKs endorsement until a Dem called him on it
Paul was a big Reagan supporter.

Don
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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:16 PM
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6. And Rupert Murdoch has held fundraisers for Hillary. And Joe Lieberman has endorsed her.
What's your point?

A candidate cannot control who decides to support them.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:19 PM
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7. well, there's an endorsement you DON"T want.
and just by the way, I've never understood people who deny the holocaust happened. It obviously did and is provable. I think about 6 million Jews and millions of others, including Gypsies, homosexuals, and political prisoners, were systematically tortured and killed. That is horrible, its what I would think is undeniable, has overwhelming evidence, etc.

I just don't understand what is to be gained by denying it. :shrug:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:22 PM
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8. So What? Is any DUer planning to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary?
And did he seek, and does he embrace the endorsement?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:29 PM
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10. I think you are interrupting the two minutes hate.
Off to the Ministry of Love for you!!

Most Ron Paulers I know are not holocaust deniers, but rather, disgruntled Republicans that do not recognize our country any more....just like us. The difference is that they will never vote for a Democrat and still adhere to their economic Darwinism with white knuckles. I can at least talk to a Ron Paul supporter.

But I understand...he's a Republican, so we pour our hate upon him and associate him with every dirtbag we can. Evn if Paul neither sought nor embraces such an endorsement.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:37 PM
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11. i don't pour hate on him
i just like calling out bigots and racists. he is both.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:47 AM
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21. Yes, but not a fascist, warmongerer and torturer
And that sets him apart from the rest of the Republican field of candidates who are racists in addition to these things.

Sad times these, eh?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:38 PM
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12. Well, no, most aren't holocaust deniers.
They're Ron Paul Is A Bigot deniers.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:45 PM
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13. You Know, It's a Funny Thing, Though
Until he started bringing in money, and getting good reaction from Republicans in the Republican debates, he was spoken well of on DU (always with a grain of sand, due to the aspects of his politics that few, if any, DUers could be okay with).

Now, all the sudden, not one kind word about Paul is allowed to remain unmolested. And even if no one had much to say, well, there're enough "if you like Ron Paul you like a fascist racist" threads that one would imagine are crafted with the intention (whether consciously or no) of stopping anyone from doing so before they started.

I'd like to agree about the two minute hate thing, but the Repukes haven't even gotten to Iowa yet and won't for a couple of months.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:24 PM
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18. what bullshit.
he was generally unknown. And I wrote negatively about him months ago. I have not one good word to say for him.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:10 PM
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19. What Bullshit, Indeed
Paul has been written about, thoughtfully, on DU ever since IWR.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:40 AM
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20. Yes, I remember.
Back when we counted on him to be some kind of anti-war voice over on the other side of the aisle. But you see...he decided to run for president.

Personally, I hope to god Paul gets the Republican nomination. At least that represents some kind of change in direction from all-out fascism.

But I call it Two Minutes Hate because it is so reactionary, knee-jerk, and stereotyped. Throw a tomato at the Republican for a dollar. It is expected on DU now that campaign season is here. But I find such behavior to be tribal and unmoving.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:53 PM
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15. This 'Cannon Killing the Sparrow' stuff gets more interesting by the day...
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:55 PM by Junkdrawer
And now it's getting clearer who's behind the cannon.

Guys: It's a sparrow. Why the big guns to kill a sparrow? Ever think you're attracting more negative attention than it's worth?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:56 PM
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16. Hmmm?
Who you suppose is the WSJ's blog's demo, anyway?
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:18 PM
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17. maybe a fair assessment
for a while there, however, there was quite a cheering section for the guy around here and the disinformation they spread was staggering and has no place among an informed progressive community, imho. it's important to confront people that parrot disinformation persistently, frequently and loudly. sometimes it's the only way to make them go away.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:27 PM
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9. He's a fine one to talk about "saving the country"
does he mean the U.S., or Australia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson#Early_life

Hutton Gibson relocated his family to Sydney, Australia in 1968. After winning a work related injury lawsuit against New York Central. After a seven day trial on February 14, 1968, the jury awarded him $145,000.... The family moved when Gibson was twelve. The move to Hutton's mother's native Australia was for economic reasons and because he thought the Australian military would reject his oldest son for the Vietnam War draft.

Gibson attended St. Leo's Catholic College in Wahroonga, New South Wales during his High School years.

Film career

Gibson graduated from the National Institute of Dramatic Art in Sydney in 1977. His acting career began in Australia with appearances in television series, including The Sullivans, Cop Shop and Punishment. He made his film debut in the 1977 Australian film Summer City.


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:46 PM
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14. Ron Paul is a Libertarian pretending to be a Repug.
RON Paul

Here are some of his nutty political positions obtained from his campaign website:
Ron Paul on Abortion

Delivered 4000 babies; & assuredly *life begins at conception. (Sep 2007)

Nominate only judges who refuse to legislate from the bench. (Sep 2007)

*Save "snowflake babies": no experiments on frozen embryos. (Sep 2007)

No tax funding for organizations that promote abortion. (Sep 2007)

Embryonic stem cell programs not constitionally authorized. (May 2007)

*Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
*Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mothers life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
*Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Budget & Economy
Can't legislate economic fairness; so make government small. (Sep 2007)
Prioritize spending based on Constitution--and lower it too. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Supports Balanced Budget Amendment & on-budget accounting. (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Civil Rights
No legislation to counteract the homosexual agenda. (Sep 2007)
No affirmative action for any group. (Sep 2007)
*No need for Marriage Amendment; DOMA is enough. (Sep 2007)
*First Amendment was written for controversial speech. (Sep 2007)
Use power of presidency to restore habeas corpus. (Sep 2007)
*Don't ask, don't tell is a decent policy for gays in army. (Jun 2007)
*Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
*Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)

Ron Paul on Corporations
*Voted NO on allowing stockholder voting on executive compensation. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on replacing illegal export tax breaks with $140B in new breaks. (Jun 2004)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)

Ron Paul on Crime
*Opposes "hate crimes" legislation. (Sep 2007)

Ron Paul on Education
*Don't impeach judges for decisions on legislature prayers. (Sep 2007)
***Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
*Equal funds for abstinence as contraceptive-based education. (Sep 2007)
***Tax-credited programs for Christian schooling. (Sep 2007)
***Guarantee parity for home school diplomas. (Sep 2007)
*Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on "God" in Pledge of Allegiance. (Jul 2006)
***Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
***Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
***Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)

Ron Paul on Energy & Oil
Big Oil profits ok; Big Oil subsidies are not. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
*Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
*Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
*Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
***Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
***Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
***Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)

Ron Paul on Environment
Property rights are the foundation of all rights. (Sep 2007)
*Voted NO on increasing AMTRAK funding by adding $214M to $900M. (Jun 2006)
*Voted NO on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects. (Nov 2003)

Ron Paul on Families & Children
Let parents decide on mental health screening for kids. (Jan 2005)
*Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
Voted YES on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)

Ron Paul on Foreign Policy
No constitutional or moral authority for US action in Darfur. (Sep 2007)
*Don't pressure Israel to give up land for promise of peace. (Sep 2007)
Not US role to monitor eradication of legal slavery in Sudan. (Sep 2007)
*Avoid ratifying Law of the Sea Treaty. (Sep 2007)
Right to spread our values, but wrong to spread by force. (Aug 2007)
*Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
*Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
Foreign aid often more harmful than helpful . (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Free Trade
No North American Union; no WTO; no UN. (Sep 2007)
***China trade not contingent on human rights & product safety. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
*No restrictions on import/export; but maintain sovereignty . (Dec 2000)
End economic protectionism: let dairy compacts expire . (Aug 2001)

Ron Paul on Government Reform
*DC voting representation should be determined by Amendment. (Sep 2007)
*Disallow lawsuits that stop public officials invoking God. (Sep 2007)
***Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007)
*Voted NO on granting Washington DC an Electoral vote & vote in Congress. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on requiring photo ID for voting in federal elections. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on limiting attorney's fees in class action lawsuits. (Feb 2005)
Voted YES on restricting frivolous lawsuits. (Sep 2004)
***Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)
***Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)
********Unlimited campaign contributions; with full disclosure. (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Gun Control
***Let airlines make rules about passenger guns to fight terror. (Sep 2007)
Opposes the DC Gun Ban; it's not just a "collective right". (Mar 2007)
Ease procedures on the purchase and registration of firearms. (Nov 1996)
*Allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms. (Nov 1996)

Ron Paul on Health Care
Oppose mandated health insurance and universal coverage. (Sep 2007)
Insurance reward for avoiding tobacco, alcohol, obesity. (Sep 2007)
*Abolish federal Medicare entitlement; leave it to states. (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Homeland Security
Protect military chaplains' right to pray in preferred faith. (Sep 2007)
*Voted YES on permitting commercial airline pilots to carry guns. (Jul 2002)
***Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
***Federal duty to provide missile defense . (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Immigration
*No amnesty, but impractical to round up 12 million illegals. (Sep 2007)
*Immigration problem is consequence of welfare state. (Sep 2007)
***Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
*Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)

Ron Paul on Jobs
*Minimum wage takes away opportunities, especially for blacks. (Sep 2007)
*No "sexual orientation" in Employment Non-Discrimination Act. (Sep 2007)
***Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Mar 2007)
***Voted NO on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on $167B over 10 years for farm price supports. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on zero-funding OSHA's Ergonomics Rules instead of $4.5B. (Mar 2001)

Ron Paul on Principles & Values
***Congress should write fewer laws regarding church & state. (Jun 2007)

Ron Paul on Social Security
Personal retirement accounts allow investing in one's future. (Sep 2007)
Federal government won't keep its entitlement promises. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
***Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)

Ron Paul on Tax Reform
Get rid of the inflation tax with sound money. (May 2007)
*Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Dec 2005)
***Voted YES on making the Bush tax cuts permanent. (Apr 2002)
*Voted YES on $99 B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
*Voted YES on Tax cut package of $958 B over 10 years. (May 2001)
*Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)
*Overhaul income tax; end capital gains & inheritance tax. (Dec 2000)

Ron Paul on Technology
******No Fairness Doctrine: no equal time if morally objectionable. (Sep 2007)
******Voted NO on establishing "network neutrality" (non-tiered Internet). (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on banning Internet gambling by credit card. (Jun 2003)

Ron Paul on War & Peace
Preemptive war is against Christian doctrine of just war. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

Ron Paul on Welfare & Poverty
***Abolish federal welfare; leave it all to states. (Dec 2000)
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