Does anyone else besides me believe, Cheney will be the next POTUS.

[CK_John]

It may only be for a couple of days. But I believe that * will quit just for spite and just so Cheney goes in the history books as 44. Another side benefit would be that Cheney could then do a Ford like pardon for *, since just before he quits, * will have done the same for Cheney.

[MNDemNY]

1. Not out of the realm.

[bryant69]

2. I've certainly heard wackier theories - this is plausible

And I can see Cheney wanting to do it just for how much it will piss us all off.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Virginia Dare]

3. Not totally out of the realm of possibility..

that bush suffers some sort of "nervous breakdown" in the final days of his term, especially if a Dem gets elected. Cheney will have quite a bit of "tidying up" to do.

[lutefisk]

22. Bush looks like the "nervous breakdown" has already happened

Junior is a broken man-boy, for sure. Yet the handlers just keep pushing him out there to shame himself and our country.

I find it difficult to believe that Junior can hold it together for another 14 months. So yes, there is a reasonable chance that Cheney will become POTUS. What a nightmare this is!

[Virginia Dare]

51. Agreed, he lost his marbles sometime during his last term of office..

once his usefulness to the necon cabal wears itself out, I would imagine his meds will become less effective, and one day they'll find him curled up in the oval office in a fetal position muttering "I'm the decider" over and over again.

[warren pease]

83. So what? When have Americans ever rejected a candidate just because he's batshit crazy?

Recent loons who've occupied the offal office include the Great Delusionator, the memory challenged Mr. Reagan, as well as the sociopathic megalomaniac dull normal mass murder currently installed in the White House.

History cites a hopeless alcoholic (Grant), a taciturn conservative prick with lock-jaw and a sharpened brass rod firmly implanted up his sigmoid colon (Coolidge) and a beady-eyed paranoid so demented that he took his marching orders from Henry Kissinger (Nixon).

Cheney would fit right in.


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[Virginia Dare]

88. It's hard to imagine that this country could sink any lower than..

G.W. Bush, but I guess the operative phrase here would be never say never.

BTW, U.S Grant may not have been the raging alcoholic that history has remembered him as. Apparently he did like his whiskey, and was seen to imbibe too much on occasion, however he would never indulge around his wife, and there is little evidence he was a constant drunk.

I think Nixon was not a drunk, but a batshit paranoid crazy lunatic, who occasionally drank.

Reagan, as we now know, was slowly losing his mind.

I often wonder if the truth about Bush's substance abuse will ever come out.

[warren pease]

89. Good info...

BTW, U.S Grant may not have been the raging alcoholic that history has remembered him as. Apparently he did like his whiskey, and was seen to imbibe too much on occasion, however he would never indulge around his wife, and there is little evidence he was a constant drunk.

I've read a couple of bios of him and, you're right, I overstated his alcohol problems for effect. The literary license excuse.

I think Nixon was not a drunk, but a batshit paranoid crazy lunatic, who occasionally drank.

Yeah, that's probably the case, although I suspect he hit the bottle pretty hard as the impeachment noose tightened.

Reagan, as we now know, was slowly losing his mind.

I survived his tenure as governor of California, although I had a brief brush with his "lawnorder" enforcers during the protests that took place when I was at SF State. This is where he made his famous call to arms: "If they want a blood bath, let it begin here." Just a terrific guy, and arguably well on his way to madness even then.

He first developed his penchant for citing events that only happened in movies when he was governor. And claimed that trees were a more prolific source of air pollution than cars. He also actually said "If you've seen one redwood, you've seen 'em all." Among other mass ridicule, this statement resulted in architectural plans for a proposed Reagan library at Stanford's Hoover Institute that featured a lone redwood tree in the plaza leading to the entryway.

I often wonder if the truth about Bush's substance abuse will ever come out.

In a word, no. It'll be confined to the internets, tabloid exposes and books nobody but the choir reads. It will be ignored or ridiculed by the gatekeepers who protect the official truth.

If, however, some miraculous events conspire to obliterate media monopolies and reintroduce old-style journalism in which actual reporters competed with one another for scoops on hard news -- in that environment, the story might actually get told. This kind of reportorial revival would require the execution of the three republican members of the FCC. It would also put the feather-heads on the OJ, Paris, Britney and Elizabeth Kucinich tongue ring beats out of work, but they'll contribute far more to society as toilet scrubbers, trash collectors and burger pushers than they ever would in a lifetime of masquerading as "journalists."


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[slackmaster]

4. No way

He has a heart condition. The GOP would never even nominate him.

[NewHampster]

6. Lies - He has no heart

[CK_John]

8. My OP had nothing to do with nomination but appointment if * quits. n/t

[MNDemNY]

11. That's note the suggestion,

Bush resigns, after pardoning Cheney, Cheney then pardons bush. It could be done in hours.

[slackmaster]

46. Bush isn't going to resign and he's not going to be impeached

:argh:

[ladjf]

66. And he might not even step down after the 2008 election.

[slackmaster]

80. Oh yes he will

We will have a new President on 1/2009.

[Virginia Dare]

52. Imagine the damage Cheney could do even in a couple of hours..

:scared:

[MNDemNY]

53. Be VERY afraid.

[nightrider767]

5. I can see that!

Bush can leave office and spend more time on his passion, his Barbie Doll torso collection. And Chaney, with his new power of "executive order" can now run unfettered and shoot anyone he choses in the face.

[NightWatcher]

7. No, un uh, nevah

this shall not come to pass

[Al Federfer]

9. Can Bush pardon Cheney, resign, then have Cheney pardon him? n/t

[CK_John]

12. Why not? As long as each would be POTUS when it happens. n/t

[MNDemNY]

13. Yes, and it could be done in hours.

[TwilightZone]

10. No chance - he's too worried about his legacy.

In Bush's mind, he has no reason to resign and to do so would be a black mark on his presidency. No chance of that happening.

[MNDemNY]

14. I think he would value his freedom more.

[TwilightZone]

23. Do you really think that he believes that *anyone* can hold him accountable?

He's not worried. Certainly not enough to resign over it.

[Al Federfer]

15. I wonder if Bush really cares about his "legacy"...

I get the feeling that he'll just retire to the ranch, and slide back into dissipation.

[TwilightZone]

18. Oh, he's concerned - he brings it up all the time.

How many times has he said some variation of "history will exonerate me"?

[CK_John]

16. I believe he once said, "We all will be dead, when they write the history books". n/t

[bdamomma]

31. I remember hearing that and that sent chills down my spine.

this man is willing to kill or maim us all.

[bdamomma]

29. plus he wants to "sprint" to the finish line, what a joke of a man.

stupid stupid man.

[Virginia Dare]

54. He has no idea what crimes he's committed..

or have been committed in his name. As long as the faux sycophants around him keep telling him he's right, that he's the most visionary President since Abe Lincoln, he'll believe it.

[TwilightZone]

79. Agreed.

That's exactly the situation. He can't fear indictments if he doesn't even know that they are a possibility.

[madokie]

17. I hadn't before but I do now

thats the plan to get them both out of trouble, huh

[CK_John]

20. Yep, Then off to Paraguay to take control the water supplies. n/t

[madokie]

36. yes sir you have it figured out no doubt

the dick has been working for years to be where he is today so that tells me they also have plans for our future that we don't know about but they're working on it diligently and water sure fits the bill for their future controlling.

[Virginia Dare]

56. darth cheney is off to Dubai to control what remains of the Arab oil supply...n/t

[madokie]

69. sure is

I would like to know what makes him tick. is it possible for them to keep him alive forever with his artificial heart I wonder cause if they can they need to so he can be locked up and spend years thinking about all the crimes he has commited.

[Virginia Dare]

70. Perhaps he's made a deal with the devil?

or he has at least convinced himself of that. I wonder too what makes the man tick. Like I wonder what made Hitler tick, or Caligula?

[madokie]

90. yes he has himself convinced no doubt

I know when I was younger I never worried about what someone might think of me but as I grey up I now worry about that very much so it is in that vein that I wonder about the dickster

[DemoTex]

19. Cheney MUST become POTUS and here is why:

Bu$h will pardon Cheney and then resign. Cheney will become POTUS and pardon Bu$h. Their crimes are too manifold for either to leave office without a pardon and they know it full well. I can think of no other feasible scenario that would get presidential pardons for both Bu$h and Cheney.

[madokie]

24. and there is countries that are not signatories to the ICC am I not right

so its possible they both, hell the whole lot of them can live to die of old age just and not be incarcerated

[EFerrari]

30. Do you think so? I'm thinking Rudy is a placeholder for a late bid

by Jeb. And Jeb could and would pardon them both. :scared:

[CK_John]

37. This is about * quiting and nothing to due with the campaign. n/t

[DemoTex]

38. Jeb, or any other Repub who could pardon both, would have to win first.

Of course that would be known in November 2008 .. maybe! If the Repub candidate loses, there would be plenty of time for my other scenario.

[CK_John]

41. Also I doubt * would even trust Jeb or anyone else to follow through. n/t

[ladjf]

67. Such a quid pro quo would be an obvious conspiracy and therefore

would be declared illegal.

[CK_John]

68. Conspiracy to commit pardon. Let me post the wording of the Ford pardon.

"I Gerald Ford ... do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974."

PS: offered in a previous reply.

[ladjf]

73. But there was no direct quid pro quo.

However, if you disagree, that's OK with me.

[CK_John]

75. The wording, "has committed or may have committed or taken part in" covers all the bases. n/t

[Orsino]

78. They won't have to.

Dems won't impeach them, and they can comfortably claim Executive Privilege on any issue that ever arises, whether or not they're still in office.

They will retire in perfect safety and comfort, unlike the millions they have killed, maimed and paupered.

[Zywiec]

21. I don't believe that scenario will ever play out. n/t

[CK_John]

27. Why not? You can't shame the shameless!

[aquart]

25. Why would George do Cheney any favors?

Although the mutual pardon thing is interesting because it would make pardons a heavy issue. I would particularly like a constitutional amendment limiting pardon power in that situation.

I'm really tired of high level criminals getting less than a slap on the wrist. I want to break those little wrists. Saudis cut off the hands of thieves. Perhaps a little extraordinary rendition?

[CK_John]

33. To keep Cheney from turning states evidence and putting * in the slammer, like a plea bargain. n/t

[aquart]

60. There isn't even a mild prospect of that.

He'd have a fatal heart attack first.

[Beerboy]

26. Woo woo. n/t.

[driver8]

28. Pass that crack pipe over here...

I don't think that there is any way in hell that Cheney will ever be pResident.

Shrub is a big baby and would never let anyone else have the limelight.

[CK_John]

35. You totally underestimate this group. n/t

[driver8]

42. You may be right about that. They constantly surprise me at how

low they will actually go.

I sure hope that your theory never comes true!!

[CK_John]

44. What worries me is how smug they are acting and I thing they have sent this message to the

Congress directly or indirectly.

[AndyA]

32. Wouldn't they have had to be charged with something in order for a pardon to apply?

Is there such a thing as "In case you've done something illegal, I hereby pardon you"?

I would think specific charges would need to be pending before a pardon could be made. :shrug:

[CK_John]

39. No just like the Nixon pardon, no impeachment, Nixon quit and Ford then pardon. n/t

[Lasher]

45. Right, and Poppy granted pre-emptive pardons too.

So the precedent exists. You would think that there would have to be a conviction or at least an indictment before there could be a pardon. I wonder if there could be a blanket pardon without mentioning any crime of which one is being excused. I sure hope not but I wouldn't be surprised.

[NoGOPZone]

50. Ford's pardon of Tricky was a blanket pardon

It reads in part

"I Gerald Ford ... do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974."

The Constitution doesn't place much restriction on the President's ability to pardon. It's very broad.

edited for Freduian slip

[Lasher]

62. Thanks

Guess we need a constitutional amendment. This has gotten out of hand. I don't think the founding fathers intended this privilege to be used for political reasons, as was the case with Scooter so far, for example.

[tammywammy]

34. No, I don't think that will happen n/t

[CK_John]

40. Why, I'm interested in why it would not happen. n/t

[L. Coyote]

43. I still expect Cheney to be the R nominee. He's just stayiong out of the headlights

to avoid the negatives until the last minute. His chances of getting elected are good if they can keep the time to a minimum. A protracted discussion of candidate Cheney would undo that.

Thompson is only in the race to make Cheney look young :rofl:

[CK_John]

47. This could still happen after the election and before Jan 20, regardless of who wins.

[Lasher]

48. Nope, Lord Vader is unelectable.

That's what Junior was for. Now Elmer Cheney is effectively the president with the knucklehead-in-chief serving as a figurehead.

[CK_John]

49. This is about appointment not any election. n/t

[MNDemNY]

55. Not eve appointment...succsession.

[CK_John]

58. Got it, Thanks. n/t

[DFW]

57. Don't hold your breath

The only thing Cheney left * with was his ego, which seems very much intact.

[CK_John]

59. I will not sleep between Jan 10 and 20 '09, if it doesn't happen sooner. n/t

[DFW]

63. You're safe by then

The danger time is between the election and the time the electors meet to certify
the election results, and the House ratifies it. But I still don't see it, unless
Cheney has tapes of Junior agreeing to have his share of the commissions from the
no-bid Halliburton deals wired to his own personal account in the Caymans.

[CK_John]

64. I think you missed my point this is about * quiting to get and give a pardon and not about who gets

get elected. The elected POTUS would then be 45.

[DFW]

65. No, I got that part

I just think that *'s ego would let him bear to go before his time was up,
even if it meant not getting pardoned for any future offenses. His attitude
would be "they weren't able to touch me all this time, they won't manage it
now, either."

Besides, I think Cheney is it at least as much at risk of indictment. Of course,
he still owns that resort real estate in Iran, where * (to my knowledge) does not.

[Virginia Dare]

72. I'm sure Cheney has plenty of "ammunition" about jr...

and his insider trading days with Harken Energy.

[DFW]

74. plenty? Probably ALL of it!

[bikebloke]

61. Sure

If POTUS = Piece Of Total Utter Shit

[cgrindley]

71. No. You're all alone in that belief (nt)

[FatDave]

76. That's an interesting theory

And nothing they do will ever surprise me. If it happens, be sure to post a big "I told you so" so we all remember whose theory this was.

[CK_John]

77. Going to bookmark it now, have to go out soon. n/t

[madokie]

81. I think you are so right that now all I can see is this one post

I am getting:scared:

[MissDeeds]

82. Doubt it will happen

Bush is an egomaniac and thinks he has been chosen by God to be president at this time. I doubt common sense, reasoning, or anything else would enter in to cloud his vision of greatness. He's delusional.

Not to wander from the topic of the OP, but I think Bush is really losing it. Not only did he blow off the Veterans' Day appearance at Arlington, during a time of war no less, he appeared weepy and bleary eyed at his photo op in Texas. Could mental instability finally get him out of office and Darth in?

[emilyg]

84. No way.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

85. Dictator, perhaps. President- NEVER.

Calling him "President" would be out of the question. I shall NEVER acknowledge him as my nation's leader.

[begin_within]

86. I thought that it would happen after the 2006 elections

I thought that Cheney would be "retired" for "health reasons" and that Bush would appoint someone who the R's wanted to run for Prez. in 2008. So that person would get a "leg up" and receive a lot of media exposure from that point through the 2008 election. But obviously they aren't that clever or organized. Or else Cheney just doesn't want to let go of any power.

[Virginia Dare]

87. I think the latter...

and if the repubs get the white house again in 2008, you can bet he and his minions will be operating from the shadows.