NEW ARG POLL: Majority Think Bush and Cheney Have Committed Impeachable Offenses

[kpete]

November 13, 2007 - Impeachment

A total of 64% of American voters say that President George W. Bush has abused his powers as president. Of the 64%, 14% (9% of all voters) say the abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment, 33% (21% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses, but he should not be impeached, and 53% (34% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses and Mr. Bush should be impeached and removed from office.


A total of 70% of American voters say that Vice President Dick Cheney has abused his powers as vice president. Of the 70%, 26% (18% of all voters) say the abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment, 13% (9% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses, but he should not be impeached, and 61% (43% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses and Mr. Cheney should be impeached and removed from office.

more at:
http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[acmavm]

1. And Nancy says they have better things to do...

Stupid wench.

[tekisui]

2. Can you hear us Nancy?

:mad:

[bdamomma]

35. there is a definite disconnect between us and this Congress.

[Divine Discontent]

46. she could care less what we think

she has said about code pink ladies that they're 'not my constituents', so therefore, she doesn't think a thing about what we feel, if that's not the case, why say such flippant remarks like that?

If I wassss in her district, I'd be bugging the shit out of her...

[stuartrida]

3. 34 and 43% thinking they should be impeached isn't a majority.

[HereSince1628]

5. Pelosi represents ALL the people, even those that don't vote.

That's just screwing with the denominator. Figures don't lie but liars figure, and screwing with what is represented in the denominator is certainly figuring.

Whether the CHeney administration has violated its constitutional mandates isn't an issue where voter vs. nonvoter is an issue. It's an issue of how widespread the belief is among the American people.

[stuartrida]

12. And a majority of ALL the people, according to this poll, don't want them impeached.

If you have any evidence to suggest that the 45% of voters who didn't bother to vote against Bush want him impeached, I'd love to see it.

[warren pease]

18. So what?

At this point, all they're really supposed to be voting on is whether enough evidence exists to submit charges to a grand jury, which is what the House is in this capacity.

To date, all the public knows for certain is that Cheney has come under scrutiny for possible illegal activities. There are three specific allegations, but the judicial committee -- which is essentially acting as the DA's office in an impeachment process -- must still decide whether to take the next step.

How would you like it if a member of your family had been attacked, the cops had a strong suspect, the ADAs were looking at the evidence and deciding whether to go for an indictment, and suddenly the governor shows up and orders the investigation stopped, the evidence suppressed and the perp released without charges.

This is exactly what Pelosi is doing. She's preventing the prosecutor's office from doing its job. In doing so, she's also preventing the public from learning details of Cheney's alleged high crimes and misdemeanors.

I suppose most people here understand very well what this bastard's been up to for the past six-plus years. But the general public, informed only by TV news which purposely keeps them ignorant of any details of Cheney's criminality, needs more information. And absent hearings, they're not going to get it.

All that ignorance and still a significant percentage want Congress to go after him. Imagine how an informed citizenry would react to the same poll.

Unless we truly live in the land of hopelessly ignorant chowder heads, I suspect those percentages would rise to super majorities once witnesses had been called, testimony taken, detailed evidence revealed and formal charges lodged.

Pelosi has no right to keep this information locked up in committee. Either she doesn't understand her duties under the Constitution, actually believes that standing up to BushCo will hurt democratic chances next November or is complicit in the ongoing destruction of US democracy and world stability. And anyone who acts from those motives should be impeached along with Cheney.


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[Amonester]

38. Exactly what warren pease said in reply #18. - eom.

[ihavenobias]

44. Clinton's Impeachment

It's interesting to consider that a majority of the country was against impeachment when the republicans tried to do it to Clinton.

In fact, it's astounding to consider the fact that Clinton's approval rating was a whopping 74% on the day they tried to impeach him.

Why is that astounding? Because Bush is currently at TWENTY FOUR percent. The republican congress had the nerve to try to impeach a president at 74% and we have a bunch of wimps (mostly) who are terrified of a guy at almost 1/3 that level of popularity, 24%.

Finally, keep in mind that the day Nixon resigned (with pending impeachment) he was at 24% popularity.

[rockybelt]

40. What really matters

is not what the polls say. What really matters is that these "men" have committed high crimes against the US. There is more than ample evidence to impeach and convict.
What really matters is that this congress will not fulfill their Constitutional duties and impeach them.
If impeachment is not done then the next president should send rummy to France for a fact finding mission and W and the Dick to Baghdad to work as laison between Sunni and Shia factions.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Can't you read and understand the OP?

In reply to your post I would have to say:

Today isn't Aug 5th!

[stuartrida]

13. Can you not be condescending?

[John Q. Citizen]

14. A majority think bush and cheney have committed impeachable offenses: Care to comment?

[stuartrida]

16. "34% of all voters say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses"for Bush

"43% of all voters say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses" for Cheney

34 and 43 out of 100 are not majorities, they are pluralities. A majority don't want them impeached. Care to comment?

Actually, don't bother commenting. Feel free to convince yourself that a majority of Americans want Bush and Cheney impeached. Data isn't going to convince you otherwise, and I really don't care if you want to be a flat earther about it.

[John Q. Citizen]

20. If you are unable to read and comprehend, then how are you going to succeed?

I never said that a majority of Americans, according to the poll, wanted bush/cheney impeached.

I said a majority believe that bush/cheney commited an impeachable offense.

If you can't read and comprehend, don't blame me, blame yourself.

If you were my student, you would flunk basic reading comprehension.
If that bugs you, go back to school and learn how to read and comprehend.

[stuartrida]

21. Man, your rips are really making me cry.

Oh shit, what am I going to do? Please stop. I am begging you.

[John Q. Citizen]

29. It seems to bother you that a majority believes bush and cheney committed impeachable crimes.

Don't worry, be happy!

[Senator]

15. But that's in the face of direct opposition from the DC Dem "leadership"

Should they simply give up their oxymoronic effort to be a firewall for torturers and war criminals -- you know, actually lead -- it's pretty clear that impeachment would garner 70/30 support overnight, perhaps even more.

All they need do is impeach for torture. Since we already have the votes.

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[stuartrida]

17. Republicans looked at polls like these...

Pew Research Center Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. September 19-22, 1998. N=706 adults nationwide.

"If it turns out that President Clinton lied under oath about having a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky, do you think that he should be impeached and removed from office, or not?"
Total 9/21-22/98 9/19-20/98

Should be 40 37 42
Should not 57 61 53
Don't know 4 2 5

...impeached him, wasted everyone's time and money, and Clinton left with a pretty high approval ratings despite it all. You think the public has the stomach for another round of impeachments that a plurality of Americans want? I don't. If you don't care what the public wants, that is your choice.

[Senator]

19. Comparing with the Clinton Farce is Oxymoronic

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Impeachment: Comparing with Clinton is Oxymoronic
(Note: And BTW, it's exactly what the Euphemedia is training people to think/fear. So it is not my intent to single out this poster. In fact, this post is a cut and paste -- including this note.)

It's not just apples and oranges, the circumstances are diametrically opposite.

Clinton was a popular, twice-elected president -- impeached for less-than-trivial reasons -- by a party in danger of being seen as extremists (since having been proven).

Bushcheney is an unpopular, never-elected, never-legitimate regime -- being impeached for torture/war crimes, spying on Americans, and/or terrorizing the nation into war -- by a party that might be in danger of being seen as conscious or vertebrate (currently being disproven).

Realistically, we can expect "Reverse Clinton" results. Perhaps even on conviction/removal.

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The public wants leadership. Blaming them for the failure of DC Dem "leaders" is just another rationalization for inaction.

If you just want "business as usual" in the face of ongoing torture and war crimes, that is your choice

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[stuartrida]

23. Go for impeachment man, I don't care.

It, like Kucinich, is going nowhere. I am not stopping you.

[liberalla]

30. We can't impeach until we have hearings.

We need to have hearings and investigations.

[Senator]

31. Hearings sure, but no investigations are required.

There is nothing to investigate. The regime publicly "defends" its claim to monarchical, "Unitary" power which it claims (falsely) allows anything it does to be lawful and unimpeachable.

Similarly on torture, the public record is complete and the matter has already been adjudicated by the USSC in Hamdan.

All that is left is to say "No, we object." Sadly, the DC Dems can even manage such a simple attempt to defend the Constitution.

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[PinkyisBlue]

34. Why are you even a member of this democratic forum?

Don't you find it strange that articles of impeachment have been brought against our sitting Vice-President and the major media have barely reported on it? I do. Most people are not even aware that possible impeachment is in the works.

If you want to use the Clinton impeachment as a comparison, which you seem to want to do, what about this: when Clinton was impeached, it was reported in every news outlet 24/7. And that was for consensual sex with a consenting adult (he was impeached for a lie, but that came after millions of dollars were spent investigating Whitewater and his sex life).

If you think lying about an extramarital affair rises to the level of lying to begin a war, your judgement is impaired.

[mzmolly]

24. True, unfortunately.

*sigh

[sampsonblk]

33. It will probably never become a majority unless we present the case strongly

We could wait until a majority already thinks they are guilty before we present the evidence. Or we can do what good prosecutors do every day - present your best case and then let the jury decide.

[stevedeshazer]

4. ARG poll? Aptly named.

:)

[robbedvoter]

6. 64% is MORE than just a majority - it pretty much makes the 36% out of touch

And all this against the media silence on DK's resolution!

[AuntPatsy]

7. An amazingly it has yet to begun.

[DeepModem Mom]

9. K&R

[BuyingThyme]

10. 25% have been unduly influenced by Nancy Pelosi.

kcik

[wiggs]

11. Right. And this is before any evidence or hearings or statements of support or

articles in periodicals. This right now is just a sentiment, and a very very strong one.

Let's do it!

[Senator]

22. Just Factoring In The OxyMorons Reaches Majority

Those are the 21% who are buying the DC Dems rationalizations for inaction. Agreeing with the Constitution-Negating notion that impeachable offenses don't require impeachment.

And that 55% would only go higher when those who are honestly under-informed were included.

The DC Dem "leadership" is truly the torturers' firewall.

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

25. And since when do we allow criminals to serve as our leaders...

hmm? Nancy?

[texpatriot2004]

26. So impeach the bastards already nm

[bobthedrummer]

27. Domestic enemies of The United States of America...k&r.

[orleans]

28. QUICK! ALERT DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ!

she said impeachment wasn't on the top ten list that the people wanted.

this sounds like it might have made the top ten to me.

[bdamomma]

36. does Wasserman-Schultz want her kids to pay for this

regime's big illegal crimes, and to live in a fascist and theocratic country.

[ellisonz]

32. But only 34% of all polled want him actually impeached and only 50% of Democrats and 34% of Inds.

Of course IT WILL NEVER PASS THE SENATE!!!

[bdamomma]

37. those filthy repigs would squash it.

[yoyossarian]

39. AAAARRRGGGHHH!

100% of thinking people believe Bush BITES:



T-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards at http://cafepress.com/laughcity">Laugh City

http://steponnopets.com/peo">President Evil Online has risen from the grave!

[The Blue Flower]

41. AAARRRRRGGGGG!!!! is right (n/t)

[okoboji]

42. all that I ask is....

Is there not ONE person out there that can unravel all of this and get these bastards? Where is are "deep throat" for 2007?


ok ... I guess that was 2 questions.

[Land Shark]

43. This poll seems close to accurate based on my travels / talking to folks k&P nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

45. Too bad this bunch hasn't done anything so clearcut as lying about a blow job.

They'll hound you to the gates of hell if you do that.

http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html

http://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Crisis-Administration-Blueprint-Impeachment/dp/1602390096/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195079453&sr=8-1

[L. Coyote]

47. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

[rucky]

48. Congress is causing more division through its inaction.

And is really hurting the Democrats. If I were one of those 30% of Republicans who want impeachment, I'd see no reason to switch parties at this point.