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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:26 AM
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Phony Veterans (dial up warning)
Wow! I have a DD-214 in my back pocket that shows I have nine years, ninths and six days of honorable service in Uncle Sams Army. That stint included two trips to Nam and two Bronze Stars.

I was lucky enough to see Tet of 68 up close and personal. My second trip included about six weeks in Cambodia in April of 70. I know how to fly a helicopter, shoot a four deuce mortar and fix pretty much anything electronic. Not exactly an REMF, but I was there.

Now I realize that my anti-war views are not welcomed in some quarters, but dont diss me because I disagree with you.

There are a few facts that we should be able to agree upon:

1. Veterans are treated like shit by the Veterans Administration.
2. Veterans represent 25% of the homeless population of the United States, yet comprise only 11% of the adult population of this country.
3. The Veterans Administration is woefully under funded.
4. Jobs and Veterans are problematic.
5. PTSD and TBI are going to become epidemic as time passes.
6. Depleted uranium is going to dwarf Agent Orange in terms of scope and toxicity.

You will not shut us up. On Sunday the Veterans For Peace marched behind the American Legions Veterans Day parade in Boston. About a block behind the parade. Led by five motorcycle Officers.

My pics of the day are somewhat spotty, as I was attending to business.

We assembled























The IVAW agreed to the American Legions rules one banner, no signs and were allowed to march at the end of the parade.

Here they are stepping off




I caught a picture of this puppy getting into the parade while we were waiting for the street sweepers.

Nice looking .50 cal




Here we are waiting to start




A few pics along the way








When we got to City Hall Plaza, veterans willing to risk arrest went down to stand in front of the podium





This pic made it to Obermann last night




Here's the Obermann segment on Countdown last night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


You should know the oldest veteran arrested on Sunday was 92.

stephinrome posted our VFP video here on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



In closing, a personal observation: The Boston Police treated us with humor and respect for the most part, and for that I thank them.

The Boston Police were doing their job right up to the point they tried to spin the day:

http://www.bpdnews.com/2007/11/18_arrested_during_veter...

18 ARRESTED DURING VETERANS DAY CEREMONY

At about 2:00pm, on Sunday, November 11, 2007, officers assigned to the Veterans Day Parade in the area of One City Hall Plaza observed a large group of individuals protesting in front of the staging area. The protestors, a group from an organization called Veterans for Peace, created a disturbance throughout the proceedings. On several occasions, police officers warned the group that if they continued to deliberately interrupt and disrupt the assembly they would face arrest. When offered an alternative location from which to protest from, the protestors refused. At which point, officers arrested 18 individuals (15 males & 3 females) and charged all of them with Disturbing a Lawful Assembly of People.



We found out later from the Arlington Advocate:

"Also...we were told by a media relations department member of the BPD that you were chanting loudly in front of the stage, and obstructing the view was anyone in your group chanting?"


It's hard to chant with a bandana over your mouth. I know.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:30 AM
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1. 1st rec- first of many, I should imagine.
Thanks to everyone who was there for peace. :yourock:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:57 PM
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13. Just gave it its 40th
:thumbsup:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:48 PM
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20. I got 45!
:yourock:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:47 AM
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49. It's at 85 recs now- and with those pics of real living HEROES, it deserves every one!
I've actually spent an afternoon with 'unhappycamper' in real life;
I enjoyed the experience and recommend it highly to everyone!

He's a rare combination of "laid back cool" and "laser-focus seriousness";
not something you see every day (or even every DECADE).

EVERYONE should spend an afternoon with UnhappyCamper-
this world would be a better place for it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 11:41 AM
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51. Cool, Dude! Thanks
for telling me/us about that unique, historical afternoon with the unhapppycamper.

Someday/weekend we're going to have to have a DU gathering of the rebels, somewhere around this great country of ours.

And, we've all seen Skinner's post to support The Troops For Peace..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:41 AM
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2. Thank you for your service and for your participation in this event. nt
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:49 AM
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3. To the greatest with thee
:patriot:
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:27 AM
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4. Smedley Butler Brigade Genius! I salute you and your brothers
The distress flags were excellent.
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:47 PM
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44. I concur
I most heartily concur that both the Smedley Butler reference and the distress flags were inspired tactics.You have my sincerest thanks as a charter member of my home states chapter of VVAW who was once arrested for parading without a permit for taking part in just such an event despite having been denied permission by the organizers.It's most heartening that once again those most qualified to speak to the unmitigated disaster that is any war are willing to take up the cause of peace.Thank you
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:57 AM
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5. Great post, uhc, and you all have my utmost respect! Rec'd!
:patriot:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:14 AM
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6. Oberman?? Way to go!!!!
Thanks for posting these pictures, UHC!!

:patriot:

"The IVAW agreed to the American Legions rules one banner, no signs
and were allowed to march at the end of the parade."


Then arrested for standing there?? What a load of crap!! :grr:

NEVER LET ANYONE SHUT YOU UP!!!


:kick: & Recommended!!
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:43 AM
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7. K&R (n/t)
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:05 AM
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8. Thank you unhappycamper!
For being there and for standing up. The media of course would have to blame you for disruption. How can a person with their mouth covered chant?

:yourock:

Sonia
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:39 PM
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9. Courage and integrity!! You guys are great!! The Smedley Butler Brigade!!!! Fantastic!!!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:53 PM
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10. thanks
and you know what... the American Legion is not getting too many young'un vets to join

Do they realize that once the old ones are gone... the organization will wither away?
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:06 PM
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11. Thanks for posting
:hi:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 04:56 PM
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12. Hey, I remember you.
You're the Smedley Butler guy who mentioned that book about him being recruited to overthrow President Roosevelt. That book was excellent and made me really appreciate Mr. Butler more than most military guys. That last photograh is Pulitzer Prize winning material.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:14 PM
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15. Thanks.
"The Plot to Seize the White House" IIRC.

Veterans appreciate your support.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:50 PM
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21. I'm a vet too.
Got in the AF right after Vietnam War so served in peace time.

In our town (not my home town)we have this big parade in May and the Vets for Peace wanted to attened but the American Legion here was getting their britches in a wad over it and the parade organizers said the Vets for Peace have a right to march in the parade too, and so they did.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:16 PM
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22. Methinks the AL has its panties in a serious wad. n/t
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:03 PM
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14. Thanks again
And a :kick: ;-)
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:29 PM
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16. k&r
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:41 PM
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17. oops sorry MBZ
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 05:42 PM by lonestarnot
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:42 PM
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18. K & R
Great pics.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:46 PM
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19. So Sweet.. I
Love Them~ :loveya:
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:30 PM
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23. So very proud of the Smedley Butler Brigade
Patriots all

Thank you unhappycamper :patriot:

I salute you and your Brothers In Arms, Sir :pals: :hug:
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:37 PM
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24. Thanks.
Veterans appreciate it. We really do.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:51 PM
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25. Glad you spoke up!
My husband was in country for 14 months and was there for Tet as well. We have a bumper sticker on our car, "Old hippies for peace". We would have been better off with either a "true" Vietnam vet in office, or a someone who conscientiously objected to the war, as opposed to the fake warriors we have now.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:56 PM
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26. unhappycamper, a true American hero, I thank thee!
:patriot:

Your photos are great, too. I love the upside-down flag message! :patriot:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:56 PM
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27. I am so proud to know you
:hug:
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:02 PM
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28. .
:hug:
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:03 PM
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29. I Salute you my fellow Phony Soldier


And I could just imagine the look of your DD-214 compared to this one

Not even a real medal issued there!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:23 PM
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31. I'm slightly toasted at the moment, but will post mine tomorrow. n/t
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:08 PM
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35. NO need to do that here but if you do make sure you remove the personal ID info from it
I made the mistake of filing mine at the County Recorders office before the redacted things like SSN etc

Got Fascism Yet?

Fascism Accomplished!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 12:06 PM
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52. Nobody should have to post their DD-214 ... but the reality is
... that there ARE Faux 'vets' whose claims and misrepresentations smear all of us. Even on DU, I confronted venomous attacks on my integrity. So, even against my better judgment, I decided to post this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

It's a sad, despicable situation when veterans must defend against such attacks in the context of so many actual phonies.

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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:11 PM
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30. "Phony Soldiers" are beautiful!!!
Thanks for your phony service then and now.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:36 PM
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32. K&R, K&R, K&R, K&R and K&R!!!!!
(Did I mention K&R?)

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:47 PM
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33. Have you ever been to jail for justice-
It's a good feeling, ya?

saw tony on Olberman last night- that was pretty cool!

did jesse video tape?

my respect for you grows deeper each day!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:55 PM
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34. Jessie was there videotaping
I have *NO Clue* what will turn out.

Thanks Babe :hug:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:17 PM
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36. You Vets are heros. Thank you for the inspiration.
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Not Sure Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:06 PM
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37. Thank you
Thank you for your actions past, present and future.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:14 PM
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38. I am so proud of you fellow vets.
And I am so ashamed of the American Legion.

They get you guys arrested and they kiss the butts of Bush, Cheney and other chickenhawk traitors.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:22 PM
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41. The American Legion
Keeping veterans drunk at discount prices since WW I.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:22 PM
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39. THANK YOU unhappycamper
As a Viet Nam veteran myself, (in my case a genuine REMF), I am SO DAMNED PROUD of you guys!!!

I was beginning to think that this sort of activism had been quashed, and I am so pleased that my assumption was invalid.



:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :yourock:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:35 PM
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40. One big salute to you.
I did not serve, but my father did, 21 years in the USN. I was along for the ride for 14 years of it.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:13 PM
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42. Unhappy Camper,
you have no idea how much I respect, honor and appreciate your commitment to our country then and now.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:19 PM
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43. Thank You, Unhappy Camper
Bless you and your compadres for everything. And special thanks for doing it with your hard-earned dignity and gravitas on display.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:08 AM
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45. Thanks, I was reading about this yesterday
And forwarding links to friends. I went in and out of Cam Ranh Bay, but never saw trouble while in country. Was in Air Navy, VP-50.
Been wearing my Veterans for Peace T-shirt at the Farmers Market and displaying the World can't wait, Drive out The * Regime orange bandanna and handing out Deception Dollars. decepetiondollar.com
Keep it up,
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:33 AM
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46. SP/4 Phoney, reporting for duty Sir !
:thumbsup:
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:01 AM
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47. I salute the Smedley D. Butler Brigade and all you vets
Thanks for reporting this.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:28 AM
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48. It Is Sickening Beyond Belief The Way American Veterans

are treated.....

Call Of Duty My Fucking Ass!!!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:51 AM
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50. Thank you! This gives me hope!
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:51 AM by ClayZ
Thank your for your patriotism and your continuing service! You are heros!!!!
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