Bush to father of fallen soldier:"“If you truly believe the Scriptures, you will see your son again"

[sabra]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/10/us/10families.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin

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God is a frequent topic. Robert Lehmiller, also of Salt Lake City, says the president brought religion into the conversation, telling him, “If you truly believe the Scriptures, you will see your son again.”

:puke:

[ck4829]

1. Hey Bush, his father can still be angry that his son has been taken away from him

It may be hard to believe, but Bush is getting even further detached from reality.

[panzerfaust]

14. Again showing that the "True Meaning" of Religion

is to rule the masses.

[Bonobo]

2. I guess if you believe that, it's easier to kill and send people to their deaths, eh.

[PreacherCasey]

13. You said it.

Unfortunately, billions of people on this spinning chunk of matter heartily agree with that concept.

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. he doesn't believe that but he's betting the father he spoke too does.

What an a$$hole thing too say to someone whose kid you're directly responsible for killing. But that's unsympathetic/uncaring george.

[MrMickeysMom]

22. Yeah, well that's his "s-s-straht-egy"

Say his lines, continue to be an unsympathetic and uncaring waste of protoplasm.

[SammyWinstonJack]

79. In a nutshell, that is george. What a waste of sperm he is!

[Bonobo]

3. To a parent, that's like saying "hurry and die yourself to be whole again."

[MLFerrell]

56. To a parent, that's like saying "hurry and die yourself to be whole again."

Yes it is. And when this bereaved father commits suicide, you'll know who is to blame. A sociopath who destroys whatever he touches.

And what if this father DOESN'T believe in the Christian Scriptures? Wouldn't what * said kill you inside all over again?

The man is a monster.

[gratuitous]

4. Odd that George should refer to Scripture

Although Shakespeare reminds us that the Devil can cite Scripture to serve his own purpose, I wonder what passages George is familiar with, and which ones he's less than conversant on. I daresay that Amos 5:18-24 isn't one he's very familiar with. Luke 6 probably doesn't get much of a read from Mr. Bush, either.

[blondeatlast]

6. Nor Matthew. All that inconvenient hoo-ha about moneylenders, hypocrites, and not praying in public,

you know.

[deutsey]

68. Or the true followers of Christ feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, welcoming the stranger, etc.

loving your neighbor (whom Jesus identified, when pressed, as someone his orthodox listeners would despise...a Samaritan).

[EFerrari]

5. Why do they let him speak.

[Breeze54]

7. I wish he would just

STFU!!! :grr:

It's like he's saying;

'Look! It's not that bad your son was killed! Chill! You'll see him again! get over it!!'

:nuke:

[H2O Man]

8. What an asshole.

He is one of the most repulsive of sociopaths, and has no right to talk about religion.

[livetohike]

9. How comforting

:sarcasm:

[PATRICK]

10. And neither of them

will be seeing Bush.

[NC_Nurse]

15. LOL!

Actually, that IS pretty comforting. :D

[tomg]

11. And if there is a God, and if there is a

judgment, and if there is an after life, I hope that young soldier and all of the other dead and wounded, and all of the Iraqi people who have been so harmed and all of the dispossessed in our own country who have been so harmed, get to stand in judgment on Bush.

I don't even know if I should post this. My heart goes to that person's family, but every time I hear Bush's sanctimonious filth - and even giving him the benefit of his own belief in it - I can't even say what I feel.

[frogcycle]

17. I join you in a moment of silence where we can

think whatever we want

[Amonester]

41. tut-tut... In saint bushitler world, you're not allowed to

think whatever you want (re.: K.O.'s Special Comment).

Just to obey his majestic orders... (actually, cheney's).
!

[terrya]

12. This is when I particularly cringe

When he goes into "Preacher-in-Chief" mode. That alone is pukeworthy...but saying something like that when HE started this war. Words fail me as to how nauseated I am about this President.

[madrchsod]

16. "if you truly believe"

Matt. 7:1-5--" Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of you"

[blondeatlast]

20. The entire Book of Matthew has been redacted. Michael Weiner (aka Savage)'s publisher,

Thomas J. Nelson (the world's most prolific Bible publisher), has declared it subversive and redacted it entirely, choosing to replace it with Brother Newt's "Contract On America" and Reagan's Berlin Wall speech.

[NMMNG]

Easy way to feel better about sending other people's kids to die

And not giving a shit about their grieving parents. :eyes:

[karlrschneider]

19. What's sad is that some of these grieving people actually believe the fuckwit is sincere.

They're as gullible as he is disgusting.

[Jawja]

21. I loathe this

creepy son of a bitch more and more every day.

[ikojo]

23. Imagine the uproar in the corporate media had Clinton

said such a thing to a parent of a fallen soldier!!! Wow! Limpballs, Couric, Lauer and others would say how insensitive and presumptuous on the part of the president.

Why don't the Dems attack this man and his minions for their insensitivity?

[annabanana]

24. The ARROGANCE of this man is staggering!

He presumes to lecture to a grieving father, all the while he continues to send more and more to their death.

[symbolman]

25. Well Mr. Bush, if there really was a God

And not the stone cold asshole YOU Believe in (though I suspect you god to be the fucking Devil himself) He would have sent a lightning bolt coursing through you from Heaven 30 Seconds after you were born, which is how long it would have taken for you to tell your first Lie..

Of course a True God would have had George Senior get drunk on the night of your conception and be unable to perform..

Still waiting for the lightning bolt, lost faith in god nearly completely the minute the Supreme court Installed that Devil..

[Gold Metal Flake]

26. He then added: "So quit your whining".

[spanone]

27. that's when i would have hit the son of a bitch

[Solly Mack]

31. Most definitely

When my husband was getting ready to go to Iraq and the spouses were filling out papers for the 'just in case' - did we want a chaplain to come to the house, etc.

I told them all that I would gut-shot anyone who said to me 'It was God's will' and, as they lay bleeding to death, ask if that was their god's will too

[kurth]

28. Walking waste of sperm

[theHandpuppet]

29. And if we truly believe the scriptures...

... one fine day George W. Bush will find himself sharing a bunk in hell with Sick Cheney.

[Toots]

30. Does he believe Iraqis will see their dead loved ones again as well?

Or is it only christians that will see the dead once again. It seems to me a show of complete indifference for other people throughout the world.. Typical Republican Arrogance..

[enid602]

32. the father

The father should have looked at Bush and responded 'yes, but we won't be seing you!!!!'

[Rosemary2205]

33. Putz.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. "See dad? I'm doing you a favor by killing your kids." n/t

[Arugula Latte]

35. What a combo. Bible B.S. + Bush B.S. = Big Steaming Pile n/t

[lonestarnot]

36. So that gives you the right to sentence them to death you slime

of Satan?

[tabasco]

37. I guess that's why my neighbors let their kids ride a quad without helmets.

Hey, we'll all meet up in heaven anyway.

:puke:

[Ezlivin]

38. If heaven is so fu*king great, why not just go there right now, Mr. Bush?

As an ex-fundy I can assure you that these people think the Earth is worthy of total destruction and "rebirth." Yet when you ask them why they stick around when a better world awaits them just the other side of death their only rejoinder is they need to work to bring others along (read: convert others).

We have the delusional leading the naive to the destruction of us all.

Read "With God On Our Side" if you really want to scare yourself. The Religious Right is gaining way too much power in our government and military.

[orleans]

39. it's this delusional thinking that let our country follow this psycho to iraq

"Kevin Graves of the Northern California town of Discovery Bay waited two hours during a South Lawn picnic to tell Mr. Bush “it was an honor for my son to serve under you as commander in chief.” Amy Galvez of Salt Lake City told Mr. Bush that “as a mom who lost a son in this war, it’s easier for me to handle because I believe you are sincere.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/10/us/10families.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1194714785-jPsJmEwSbvcLB1IVJ6FMZA

kevin: he's not the "commander in chief!" he's the "commander guy!"

amy, amy, amy: do you still believe in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny? bush sincere? oh, amy--you said it yourself--it's easier for you to handle, believing the bullshit. but this is the prick you are dealing with:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/youtube/bushfingerflip.htm
("nope. no weapons under here")


i may be ultra wicked by saying what i just said, but i can't stand these parents who would rather take the easy way out and stand by this son of a bitch who killed their children. just because it makes it easier for them to cope? i don't understand how you place your loyalty at the foot of a mass murderer above the coffin of your child.

(flame away)

[cuke]

46. Yes, you are being wicked

Grief can make people do strange things. I hope you never find out how true that is.

[orleans]

52. of course i realize grief can make people do strange things.

and i have experienced it first hand (over friends and family members--which is perhaps why i feel so strongly on this--if grief makes people do strange things then this is how it has changed me)

i believe a lot of these people felt that way BEFORE their kids were killed. and rather than being a wake-up call (too late) they allow themselves to be lulled into this delusional mindset.

who will be the advocate of these dead children? who will demand justice on their behalf? who will demand answers? who will be the one to cry out that this didn't have to happen--that it never should have happened--and that it must never happen to another child again? (me? me and you? a select group? it is the voice of their parent that would be heard more clearly, more passionately, more strongly. and it is tragic that, so often, those voices remain as silent as their children.)

[cuke]

54. I have little doubt they were * lovers before their child died

My point is, you shouldn't expect a grieving parent to think clearly and have an epiphany during their weakest moments.

"who will be the advocate of these dead children? who will demand justice on their behalf? who will demand answers? who will be the one to cry out that this didn't have to happen--that it never should have happened--and that it must never happen to another child again? (me? me and you? a select group? it is the voice of their parent that would be heard more clearly, more passionately, more strongly. and it is tragic that, so often, those voices remain as silent as their children.) "

Yes, it is tragic and the parents voice should be heard, but I won't hold it against them if their grief has made that impossible. I get your point, but I don't think the parents silence is the key issue, nor are they the ones we need to go after.

So basically, I understand your points; they're not unreasonable and you're not a "wicked" person. But dwelling on the inaction of a grieving parent is IMO unnecessary and inappropriate.

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Well, they tell suicide bombers that there's 40 virgins in heaven waiting for them.

So I guess Bush learned from the best.

[lynnertic]

77. waitaminute I thought it was 70

[Quantess]

42. This is so incredibly vile and wrong in so many ways,

I gave your thread a recommendation. It rates high as a stomach-churner.:puke:

[Joey Liberal]

43. Fuck the scriptures

I don't believe any of that crap.

[lonestarnot]

44. I will pray for you. LOL

[driver8]

45. "Crap" is exactly what it is.

The idiot Bush is full of it.

[Patchuli]

50. Only when * uses it! nt

[bonito]

47. bonito to bush, raise him from the dead shit head. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

48. Why would anyone find that comment comforting?

Hell, as long as we're talking useless platitudes, let's just go right to "hasta la vista, baby!" or how about "c'est la vie!" Honestly, Bush is spewing the most disgusting and inane platitudes - I really mean it, do you think these parents/spouses/children are comforted by this shit??!! Even if you were a believer in heaven, it doesn't assuage the pain of continuing on earth without your child. I cannot even imagine the level of delusion one has to have to make that statement OR to find comfort in it. Those kinds of statements do nothing to address the reality of what the surviving relatives' life on earth is now going to be like, and even verge on the dangerous sorta like the 40 virgins thing and shaheeds.

Bush murdered that man's son. He has no right to say anything to that father other than "I'm sorry" and hang his head in shame while he is lead away for war crimes.

[Patchuli]

49. These parents couldn't handle the truth

in knowing that their son or daughter died for oil and more power for the elites...

[fenriswolf]

51. what was the father's response?

[AlCzervik]

53. so if the father doesn't then he won't? What a *&$&@!!!!!!bag.

[cuke]

55. I wonder what he says to the parents of dead Jewish soldiers

[WinkyDink]

59. "My Grampy Prescott had a solution for you!"

[cuke]

61. Bravo!!

That was an excellent response. I'm impressed

[WinkyDink]

67. :)

[TAZller]

57. So the problem here is....

patriotism and depth of religous conviction. How silly of me.

[Naturyl]

64. Are you defending this and/or Bush?

If so, make hay while the DU sun shines...

[TAZller]

65. Oh gawd no.

Should have used :sarcasm:.

[WinkyDink]

58. Would that Poppy might find out soon. (I know: Bad Karma!)

[hatrack]

60. "So I don't have to give a shit - hehhehheh!"

Unbelievable. A sociopath with a Bible in his hot little gibbon hand - and he's PRESIDENT!

[133724]

62. Hey Dubya,

If you were a Christian; I would be talking to him Now!!!!

[Naturyl]

63. Oh yeah? Would Mr. Faithful take that chance with his own kids?

You know the answer to that.

[LynnTheDem]

66. And if bush truly believed, he would know what Jesus thinks about

warmongering bastards who commit illegal invasions that kill other people's kids.

[undeterred]

69. Response: And you will burn in hell for all eternity because you are so evil.

[Postman]

70. If "heaven" is soo great, why doesn't HE off himself?

What a bunch of nonsense talk.

I'll see my son again when I'm dead? Oh really?

That'll be a pretty neat trick.

Says who? Some screed in a book written by who knows who?

Amazing. It's the year 2007 and we still talk about "the Bible" as if it were fact.

[Octafish]

71. Murdermonkey thinks he is a Prophet.

Nutjob plays God and tells others he knows what God does.

[rasputin1952]

72. A serious religious thought here. It never ceases to amaze me that

those who do terrible things somehow equate it with, "God's Will".

If bush had any idea of what his proposed "religion" was about, he'd know that killing people, except in self defense, is really not an option. Taking this a step further, if he really does stand before God on judgment day, how does he figure that killing thousands in God's name is somehow going to be "excused"?

I don't think he realizes the ramifications of his actions from a religious point of view...if there is a judgment as described in the NT, he's already on his way to hell. I get the distinct impression that God might be a tad ticked off at how he's being "used".

As for this recent absurdity from bush, if he had told me that, I would have risked prison and punched him in the nose, I could always use some Biblical reference in court...something about not suffering fools lightly or such.

I am no theologian, but one need not be to realize that the moral standards of bush are pretty damn low.

[babydollhead]

73. * said how do you know he would have had a good life

to another parent... anyone remember that quote?

[babydollhead]

74. here

Bush to dead soldier's mom: How do you know his life would have been good?
Dolores tried to give Bush a sense of what type of person Erik had been. She described her son as a "comedian" whose favorite saying was, "Life is good." The president replied, "How do you know his life would have been good?"

[tbyg52]

75. What a jerk.

Assuming that a perfect stranger shares his religion, or ought to. There's way too much of that going around.

[NoodleyAppendage]

76. "If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you would resign," retorts father of dead son.

Wishful thinking, I know. But, I'd love to see this sort of slapdown.

J

[malaise]

78. If I were that father

I'd have been arrested after I slapped him in the face for that comment.