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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:20 AM
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Hey, Demo Strategists- They're just not that into you
Robert Parry, at Consortium News, looks at the failed strategy to try to lure moderate Republicans over the last year after Democrats won a majority in the legislature.

Rather than escalate their political confrontation with Bush, the Democrats opted for a course of wishful thinking and empty gestures. Most importantly, the Democrats chose not only to keep impeachment off the table, but avoided any comprehensive investigation into controversial Bush policies. ...the Democrats not only failed to mount a sustained challenge to Bush’s policies, they avoided any systematic hearings that would educate the American public about why Bush’s presidency has represented such an extraordinary threat to the Republic.

This Democratic tendency to de-value information – and a timidity toward real oversight – can be traced back to the 1980s when accommodating Democrats, such as Rep. Lee Hamilton of Indiana, sought to finesse, rather than confront, abuses of power by Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush during the Iran-Contra Affair and related scandals. The pattern deepened in 1993 when Bill Clinton won the presidency and the Democrats still controlled Congress. At that point, they shelved investigations of Reagan-Bush crimes, including clandestine military support for Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, drug-trafficking by the Nicaraguan contra rebels, and still-secret dealings with Iran.

Clinton and the Democrats judged that the hard work of getting at the truth and exacting accountability was less important than wooing some moderate Republicans into hoped-for support of Clinton’s budget, health-care and other domestic priorities. (For details on this failed strategy, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.)


Parry goes on to note the failed view that Gates would rein in Bush, when Gates was and is the consummate "yes man." Parry notes the new accomodation for an AG that would not admit that torture is torture and is being practiced by this administration. (Schumer, in a NYTimes ed. said that Mukasey would rein in (not his words, iirc) or rather repair the destroyed-by-Bush DoJ.

Parry looks at Carl Levin's incorrect history lesson as the dems caved on war spending. The FISA act. The Lieberman/Republican "Iran's Republican Guards are terrorists" war set up, ignoring Jim Webb's accurate assessment that such a resolution was a lead-in to war. Parry says the Demo leadership was "stunned" that they got 200k emails opposing their FISA cave-in and were "astonished." Does that tell you anything about how disconnected this legislature is from the American people?

Hey dems, how's that appeasement policy working out for you?

Republicans don't want to tell Democrats they're not going to work with them and Democrats don't want to hear it. (That's a twist on the blurb to that great book of existential wisdom, He's Just Not That Into You...had to look it up to make sure I got the phrase right...)

Republicans don't need date rape drugs to have their way with Democrats. The Democrats fix it for themselves for their afternoon kool-aid.

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xenofilms Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:22 AM
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1. Yup
I agree
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:23 AM
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2. It is just so infuriating
have these dems been asleep since 1980?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:43 AM
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7. They are the dog that is so used to being kicked that...
...even though they now run the place, they still
cower everytime the Republicans growl.

If you want change, they are useless.

Tesha
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:38 AM
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3. Excellent Piece
Answers some questions about how they became so wrongheaded
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:38 AM
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4. and another thing...
before I have to go-

The above is, or should be, a lesson to Obama. He is not going to "heal" this nation by appeasing those who have taken us down this same road since the 1980s. Maher was right, even tho joking, when he said he wants to utterly destroy this version of the republican party. There is no compromise with them. It's like Bush saying that he's a uniter and citing his Texas gov. days as an example of this, when many Texas dems are farther to the right than northern republicans. Bush is a uniter if you do exactly what he says. He's only following the Gingrich playbook, in many ways.

And dems, if you continue to dismiss the demo base AS WELL AS the majority opinion among Americans who actually pay attention, you are not only bad pols, you are fools.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:39 AM
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5. If Democrats Want to Change Minds--They Are Going to Actually Have to DO Something
and not just talk and whine and write stern letters to the thugs in charge.

They are going to have to act, act responsibly, act consistently, not apologize for acting, act when the incident calls for it, not months or years later, and train their successors to act, too.

You have to respect people's needs and wants, if you want them to vote for you. And you start with the people you have.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:40 AM
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6. I'm becoming much less into them myself.
But not for the same reasons.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:09 PM
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8. i'd like to see the apologists and enablers weigh in on this..
of course they won't. topics like this are to be avoided like the plague by the hero worshipers.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:03 PM
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10. well, now that I'm back, I'll give a kick
and see if anyone wants to weigh in on this.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:07 PM
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11. hello? anybody? anybody? Bueller? n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:12 PM
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9. How long do they expect us to keep voting for more of this?
:banghead:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:14 PM
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12. Well, I'm just not that into them, either. I know when I'm being played for a sucker. (nt)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:18 PM
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13. Can't argue that
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