For anyone leaving the party if Sen. Clinton gets the nomination

[IndianaJones]

Please encourage Robert Byrd to follow.

[Bonobo]

1. Anyone would be happy to have him.

[mod mom]

23. Remember his Feb 12, 2003 Speech before the Iraq War on the Silence of Debate:

Reckless Administration May Reap Disastrous Consequences
by US Senator Robert Byrd
Senate Floor Speech - Wednesday, February 12, 2003

To contemplate war is to think about the most horrible of human experiences. On this February day, as this nation stands at the brink of battle, every American on some level must be contemplating the horrors of war.

Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part, silent -- ominously, dreadfully silent. There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There is nothing.

We stand passively mute in the United States Senate, paralyzed by our own uncertainty, seemingly stunned by the sheer turmoil of events. Only on the editorial pages of our newspapers is there much substantive discussion of the prudence or imprudence of engaging in this particular war.

And this is no small conflagration we contemplate. This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world.

This nation is about to embark upon the first test of a revolutionary doctrine applied in an extraordinary way at an unfortunate time. The doctrine of preemption -- the idea that the United States or any other nation can legitimately attack a nation that is not imminently threatening but may be threatening in the future -- is a radical new twist on the traditional idea of self defense. It appears to be in contravention of international law and the UN Charter. And it is being tested at a time of world-wide terrorism, making many countries around the globe wonder if they will soon be on our -- or some other nation's -- hit list. High level Administration figures recently refused to take nuclear weapons off of the table when discussing a possible attack against Iraq. What could be more destabilizing and unwise than this type of uncertainty, particularly in a world where globalism has tied the vital economic and security interests of many nations so closely together? There are huge cracks emerging in our time-honored alliances, and U.S. intentions are suddenly subject to damaging worldwide speculation. Anti-Americanism based on mistrust, misinformation, suspicion, and alarming rhetoric from U.S. leaders is fracturing the once solid alliance against global terrorism which existed after September 11.

-snip

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0212-07.htm

:applause: A CLASSIC!

[Bonobo]

25. I certainly do. And many others. He is a gem in a pig's trough.

[Fearless]

28. It's amazing how deaf the ears of America were then and now.

[Beausoir]

2. Take Joe Lieberman with you, too. Please.

[mod mom]

26. He's DLC like Hillary. nt

[Lerkfish]

3. does your post come with a decoder ring?

:shrug:

[Fearless]

4. How about we encourage every progressive American to follow.

And leave the middle of the road compromisers to make deals with the bigots, racists, and homophobes on our right. Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a politician regardless of her intent or her beliefs. She will lead as a person politicking votes not as a person who would do what is right for this nation.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of political meandering. This nation's freedoms are being eroded away and she is not the solution. Her inability to oppose the Iraq War, her inability to take a stand on the basis of right and wrong instead of politicking, and her unfathomable inability to foresee the effects of a unilaterally motivated United States in the upcoming century is baffling to the mind and damaging to the ideals and beliefs that this nation was founded on.

[IndianaJones]

6. lmao. nt.

[Fearless]

8. Well that's better than a flame... I thank you.

[msongs]

11. why are you always picking on Obama the ultimate compromiser? nt

[Fearless]

14. Find one instance that I actually picked on Obama

He would be my second choice and I do respect the man a great deal, much more than Clinton in fact. I see in his work as a lawyer and so forth a desire to help the common man that seems lacking and if not distant in Clinton's because she has never known the issues affecting the people firsthand.

[IndianaJones]

18. he reaches out to bigots....nt.

[Fearless]

20. I didn't mention him in particular, I honestly wasn't even thinking about that.

I was referring to the larger picture whereby Senator Clinton has for her time in the Senate compromised time and time again the right thing to do with a wishy-washy solution in cooperation with the Rethug majority/minority. Her ability to agree with those people is what I spoke of. By all reliable numbers the actual number of "Reagan" or social conservatives in this nation is around 27%, with an equitable number economic conservatives who don't give a damn about religion (or that much anyways) and 40% liberals who fall again in the non-radical right socially.

[OhioBlue]

24. all of the people running for pres

are politicians. they will all politic to some degree.

[Fearless]

27. I guess what I'm saying is that I want new faces in the White House

[Virginia Dare]

30. As long as they don't have an (R) after their name..

it will be an improvement to some degree.

[Fearless]

32. I'm tiring of baby steps.

[Virginia Dare]

34. I'm more tired of backward steps...n/t

[Fearless]

35. It is frustrating

[durrrty libby]

5. I love the people who claim they will leave the country if she is elected

They stayed for 8 years under Bush, but now this will be the motivator to go

Gotta love idiot logic

[Fearless]

7. Who said anything about leaving the country as anything more than a figure of speech?

[durrrty libby]

9. Many have and either way it is idiot logic

[Fearless]

12. I would have to agree...

Although I do find it funny that someone with a Sox icon was calling someone an idiot... like it was an insult.

:evilgrin:

[durrrty libby]

19. Well Millar took that trademark with him. Now they are just a

lovable and talented dynasty to be.:evilgrin:

[Fearless]

21. K&R if I could.

I don't remember who said it (a radio commentator of some kind) but he said roughly that: Years from now we'll look back and see that these were the good ol' days, the glory days, of New England sports.

Now if the Bruins would pick it up... Or am I asking too much? Haha.

[Virginia Dare]

10. Yes, take all of the imperfect Democrats with you!

it'll end up being a pretty lonely place I'm afraid.

[IndianaJones]

13. no, just Byrd. nt.

[Virginia Dare]

17. He's 90 plus years old for criminy sakes..

leave the old buzzard alone.

[Fearless]

15. You make it sound like HRC is perfect? I hope not.

[Virginia Dare]

16. No.

There are no perfect Democrats. There are no perfect people.

[Fearless]

22. Just checking.

To poke and prod however, the perfect Democrat could exist as to be so all they had to do would be to strictly follow the platform of the Party in everything that they do. Of course, a perfect person... that would be difficult...

[Virginia Dare]

29. Very true..

and just to clarify why Hillary Clinton is by no means a perfect Democrat, I don't think she's as evil as some people make her out to be. I'll give her a "C".

[Fearless]

33. I agree.

[Beerboy]

31. Fuck That. eom.