How many years before the rest of the Abu Ghraib pictures/videos come out?

[Solly Mack]

Will we have to wait until Rumsfeld dies? Cheney dies? Bush dies?

When it's too late to hold the guilty accountable?

When all America can do is offer up some meaningless apology?

Oh, golly, but we sure are sorry this happened - but we chose not to do anything about it until it was too late - even still, please accept our sincere apology. Here, have some money.


In this mind numbing horror of a "debate" on torture, what happened at Abu Ghraib still matters. It matters because Abu Ghraib opened the window - and only just a little - into the systemic torture policy instituted by our government. It matters because the truth still hasn't been told. It matters because the guilty still walk free.


The evidence of torture still being withheld matters.

The lack of accountability still matters.

The truth still matters.


Rumsfeld: Worst Still To Come

"Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. we're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate. "


The Abu Ghraib files

Not even the Salon Abu Ghraib files contain the entire collection of evidence of torture.

When will the full truth come out?

How long will it take?


Better late than never isn't good enough. Not when people are still being tortured. Not when the guilty still sit in the highest office of the country.

[annabanana]

1. Where ARE they, Solly? Who has them?

What so-called American is sitting on this evidence?

[Solly Mack]

2. Congress saw them and the DoD had them

Probably still do...a judge did tell them - repeatedly - to release ALL the photos and videos - but the deadline kept coming and going and still no release

[flashl]

5. Wasn't soldiers circulating CDs with pictures?

Those pictures were on websites and in the public domain long before the charade of a "suit" shown with a suitcase handcuffed to his wrist carrying pictures to Congress.

That scene of the "suit" created the perception that DOD and Congress were the only ones in possession of Abu Ghraib prison pics.

[Solly Mack]

6. Yes - the very first pictures came from a soldier - Joe Darby

and he had gotten the CD from another soldier - Charles Graner

and I believe there were multiple CD's made and floating around before the story broke.

Rumsfeld was the one who "outed" Darby for exposing the torture. Up until Rumsfeld, on national TV, said his name, it had been a secret.

[Spurt]

3. K&R

[Karenina]

4. And another.

:kick:

[seabeyond]

7. last i heard a year or two ago, the court ordered them being produced

to the public and bushco's were just flat ignoring the order. i too am curious about them and am outraged, OUTRAGED i tell you that this administration dares to ignore the court and break the law. rollin eyes,

yes, i too am waiting for this to come out

[Solly Mack]

8. lol! Not a happy laugh but you know that

Imagine - Bush ignoring the law - shocking!

I think they're hoping people will forget.

[seabeyond]

13. talked to a college repug telling me about christianity, morality, ethics

(he got my 17 yr old niece preg, unmarried, video taped females he had sex with unknown, and over a decade older than my niece, ya lecture me on morality and christianity).... anyway... talking to him about torture. he denies. says we are not torturing. (this guy is net aware and educated). i told him i suppose fluorescent lights up the ass isn't torture. what he says. that didn't happen.

yup it did buddy. saying that isn't torture.

he said he would check it out, but knowing he isn't gonna.

so... it is not a matter of them forgetting. they do not believe it even happened. that was the whole point to my post. but i had some issues to rant about.

[Solly Mack]

14. You're right. Many don't even believe it happened

or that what did happen isn't torture.

[catmandu57]

9. Unless things change radically

I'd say never. It's not in the interest of the powerful to let us peons know what they have approved of. That goes for both sides, there is a ruling class now and the other, guess which class we belong to.

[Solly Mack]

18. Never is probably the correct answer

but I can see America, years and years from now, talking about that 'crazy time' in America - as if everyone was just so caught up in the fear and can't be blamed - and when it is too late to seek accountability, publishing them then and coming off with a meaningless apology.

[Oilwellian]

10. I suspect....

they're so bad, they aren't releasing them out of fear of retribution against our soldiers still in Iraq. Seymour Hersh has written & spoken extensively of the photos & videos, yes, there are videos too of the torture in Abu Ghraib. One thing he said that haunts me to this day, and I think it haunts him as well... Iraqi boys were being sodomized and he would never forget the shrieking screams. I'm sure Hersh kept copies of all videos and photos but even he won't release them. There has to be a good reason for that and I'm sure it has to do with the safety of our soldiers still in Iraq. One can only imagine the rage felt by Iraqis once this evidence comes to light.

I recently did a video using clips of Hersh speaking about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmBjL9jhDn8

[seabeyond]

12. yes they are that bad. as our adm and repug party are saying we dont torture

are their base is insisting we do not torture. there is a reason they are stating not showing them. unfortunately by not showing the very torture our adm and that party denies,.... people are not knowing what we, the american people are doing to our fellow human beings. enemy and innocent. so though it may cause problems, (and our enemy and other countries already know about htis torture. not new to them) we need to put this out so the american people can be aware the same as the rest of the world.

[flashl]

15. Many living in U.S. will not believe their lying eyes even if the videos are shown

You can see how this happens with videos of police beatings where the jury is convinced that their eyes are lying to them.

[seabeyond]

16. yes. this is indicitive of the whole period of bushco adm.

it is all sittin there for people to see and they turn heads, close eyes or bury head to avoid the obvious and given. at the cost to us all.

[Solly Mack]

17. Thanks for the video!!

Even if the pictures and videos aren't made public, they can still be turned over to the proper authorities so a case can be made - and I suspect that is the real reason they aren't turned over. I don't rightly think anyone in the Bush admin. is concerned about the troops and not everyone in Congress does either.

The few 'bad apples' lie allows Bush Inc to get away with their crimes and by not exposing the full force of what took place at Abu Ghraib, the 'bad apples' lie is aided.

[begin_within]

11. They probably will never be published in the U.S., it will be some foreign organization

[Karenina]

19. De Nile is no longer just a river...